Posted on 09/14/2015 3:18:13 PM PDT by NKP_Vet
Evenin’ brother! When a catholic tells you ‘you cannot know your salvation is secure’, ask them which Promise from God has ever failed?
Luther actively persecuted the Jews to his last years, conspiring, like Baalam/Balaam, to deliver them into the hands of those to rape, torture, and murder them. Luther is foundational to re-formed Christianity. Some think they can commit any sin and that sin as forgiven before they even commit it. Hence, their 16th Century version of the gospel is founded, and dependent, on Luther entering the kingdom of God, no matter how wicked his works and unrepentant he was to his death. They do not really believe what the LORD Jesus Christ said; they believe what Luther wrote.
Catholics believe one must remain in a state of grace to enter into the Kingdom of God. Mortal sins separate one from that grace and the Messiah will separate the sheep from the goats. All the faux professors will be shown for who they really are by their works. Blessed Pope John Paul II went to the Wailing Wall to beg forgiveness for the sins of some in the one holy catholic apostolic church. The Catechism and teaching of the Catholic Church includes the Jews as beloved elder brethren. I know of no Protestant faith community, denomination, or sect as friendly to the Jews as the Catholic Church. Indeed, they tend to exclude the Jews from being the brethren of the Messiah, which is theological antisemitism. Catholics include the Jews as beloved elder brethren who yearn for the Messiah and do not (yet) recognize him.
Sure they do now, perhaps from the Masonic influences. Obviously didn't in the past, it even has saints that persecuted the Jews.
Some think they can commit any sin and that sin as forgiven before they even commit it.
All sin is covered by the blood of Christ. no matter how wicked his works and unrepentant he was to his death.
LOL, Luther taught daily repentance. Your knowledge of Luther is as scant as your apparent knowledge of the replacement theology preaching Catholic church. For the record, the denominational title of 'Lutheran' was given by Catholic as a way of disparagement. Lutherans never did practice the acts of Catholics in respect to Jews as official policy.
Luther actively persecuted the Jews to his last years
Proof please, as in how many Jews did Luther expel personally, cause to be expelled, murder etc. Another libelous charge with no proof. Catholic church on the other hand enshrines their deeds in their apologetics. See #3 above. Flail as you wish, more chances to post the truth of the matter.
All sin is covered by the blood of Christ. no matter how wicked his works and unrepentant he was to his death.
You prove my point.
Well, I can only speak about my own experience. When I was a Catholic, sometime in the last century, I didn't know God promised complete assurance of salvation to mankind. Now that I have true faith, I understand it perfectly. Being as I am concerned primarily with Heaven/Hell, I will leave others to discuss the finer points of other less important doctrines. Notice I did not say unimportant doctrines, just less important, when compared to Heaven/Hell. Later bro.
And you mine, using italics to imply that those words were mine in that order and out of context. Very lame but not unexpected from a Catholic partisan. I suppose I should be flattered that you now treat my words in the same way that Catholics treat God's Word. Gotta love the consistency! Again, LoL!
An object that can ONLY be met by jumping thru Catholic hoops.
Holocaust deniers and apologists have tried a similar defense. I have shown from his own words, previously and now, that Luther conspired to deprive the Jews of refuge, life, and limb. I'll post his last sweet words to his wife, and his final end, again later. Whosoever hateth his brother is a murderer: and ye know that no murderer hath eternal life abiding in him. Hereby perceive we the love of God, because he laid down his life for us: and we ought to lay down our lives for the brethren.
First John, Catholic chapter three, Protestant verses fifteen to sixteen,
as authorized, but not authored, by King James
You said in #142 "Luther actively persecuted the Jews to his last years". No proof of that. There is plenty of proof that Catholicism OTOH did actively do so. Why do you tout the one and ignore the other? Do you believe that actively, IOW really doing acts of persecution is less offensive that talking badly about Jews? Are you now calling for the Catholic church's actions to be seen as better as Luther's words about Jews? The Forum wonders about this disconnect.
To what extent in this glow of Reformation hatred will you go to exonerate or ignore the actions of your own church? Is there a limit? I don't pretend as some that hypocrisy is the worst crime ever, but it does remove the credibility of the presenter as it does here.
Never do the Confessional documents of the Lutherans support anti-semitism. The Catholic church OTOH has.
Re: your earlier support of Jews from the CCC, is that the same CCC where Catholics and Muslims worship the same God? If true, that could explain the Catholics' action in regards to the Jews. And yet here is a Catholic decrying Luther's opinion of the Jews.
“I pray for NK, that Christ will bless him and lead him to eternal life”.
Spare me. You’re the one that one that left His church, not me.
“Spare me. You’re the one that one that left His church, not me.”
Eternal life isn’t in any church NK.
If you do not even want to know how to be sure of eternal life - as the Apostle John stated - all I can do is pray for you. I am.
Well, then, Catholics believe wrong because that's not what Scripture teaches.
Sin cannot and does not separate us from God because once one is forgiven, having the record of debt that stood against us canceled, no sin remains to our account to separate us.
The poster is well taught in deceptions. Inherent in the poster’s supposition is the contradiction of ‘saved yet wickedness producing’. The problem stems from not having God’s Holy Spirit in the poster, so the false premise is fabricated to contradict the Bible Truth that once born from above the chld of God cannot commit wickedness and remain alive in Christ. To a mind steep in that cathalogic religion, the notion of gaining salvation, losing salvation, re-upping salvation via the priestly ministries to the confessor and remaining faithful to the rituals of that religion, the stamp of Catholic approval and working for reductions in purgatory, ... well, the notion of God’s unmerited Grace toward such an one just denies too much cathalogic ego need for pride in self. Catholics are big on ‘pride’ in their striving to obtain ... paradoxically, they deny that God’s Promise can assure them of salvation in the here and now. They refuse to be redeemed until they have merited it ...
Too true.
Impossible to attain type Catholic hoops, I might add. What people don't get, is that EVERY tiny little sin is a mortal sin. No exceptions.
Speaking of purgatory. In the past, I was a horrible sinner, creating a land speed record, to be the first to commit a million mortal sins. My biggest hope, was that somehow, I could bluff my way into purgatory. If I hadn't come to saving faith in Christ, I would have gone straight to Hell, and I don't think it would have taken very long for me to realize, this ain't purgatory baby.
Some of those Catholics will probably try to delude themselves into believing that it’s purgatory and they’ll get out some day..
Or they’ll wish they could.
...miss the mark...
Or they’ll wish they could.
Yes, I suspect billions will wish they could get out of it, but alas, THAT kind of "Purgatory" will never end, and will NEVER abate in its fury. What a scary thought, but thanks be to God, we will not experience it. For the billions who DO experience the wrath of God, they only have themselves to blame. He provided a way to escape it. My own thoughts (total speculation, BTW) are that upwards of 97% of the world's population will go to Hell. I hope it isn't that much, but I know that wide is the way that leads to destruction, and MANY enter in. Matthew 7:13.
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