Posted on 09/28/2015 6:45:14 PM PDT by Faith Presses On
"A Jesus who needed to be schooled," who basically "needed moral correction." "Another Gospel" blasphemy, making God out to be a sinner.
#1 The barriers between Jew and Gentile interaction was actually broken down by this action. The only “schooling” is the one Jesus gave us as an example.
#2 He was testing the womans faith. She passed. She was rewarded.
Did you read the Mormon comment after the article?
Yes, I don't buy it. He didn't need to be schooled by anyone. Blasphemy would be a good way to describe it.
I’m reminded of Jesus’ first miracle, where His mom presses him to make the wine out of water. In both cases (and others), I think it is more of a case of timing. Jesus had His own timing, but when pressed by others of faith, He adjusted it. Applicable to us today as we pray for Jesus’ intervention in our lives.
Another thing I always found interesting was some He told “don’t tell anyone”, and others he said it was okay to reveal what had happened. Again - a thing of timing.
But to say that Jesus “got schooled” - I don’t think so.
#1 The barriers between Jew and Gentile interaction was actually broken down by this action.
It started even before they met. Jews would go out of their way (four days extra?) to avoid traveling through Samaria. Jesus could have gone that way I imagine like all the other Jews did. But the Bible says:
“And He had to pass through Samaria.”
HAD to!?
I’m not sure if Jesus could foresee the exact type of encounter, but He knew that he had to reach out to the Samarians.
why is this woman a pastor if she thinks Jesus needs to be schooled?
Perhaps she should rent a building and set up shop and have the locals come and worship her since she thinks she's smarter than Jesus.
Uh, this is written by a scholar? Really?
Once again, context is key. Jesus, by the way, had already had a limited outreach to the Gentiles (chapter 8—the centurion and two demon possessed men).
But what had JUST happened in the Gospel? Jesus had an encounter with the Pharisees concerning purity—it was, in many ways, a penultimate break with the so-called leaders of the religion before Christ’s journey to Jerusalem.
So our Lord escapes to outside the parameters of Jerusalem...the FIRST time during his ministry He does so!
Jesus does not immediately embrace the Canaanite woman, it is true. Matthew purposely uses the term “Canaanite”, it seems, because these are the BIG enemies of Israel ever since the days of Moses. Matthew is getting ready to show his readers (remember: Matthew’s initial audience—the early church—was going through growing pains because of the addition of Gentiles to the body) that Christ is going to fully include people from all nations.
Jesus’ initial rejection of this woman should not surprise us—it was standard operating procedure for rabbis of the day. Barney Kasdan, a Messianic Jew, details the response of teachers of the first century in his commentary on the words of Matthew:
“Because of [suspicions] it was understood that is a rabbi was approached by a Gentile seeker, the rabbi was obligated to reject the person....”
Kasdan also cites Talmudic instructions that are given to rabbis to Gentile seekers to be certain they are serious.
So for Jesus to follow the normal “test” of rabbis of his day seems to be a bit absurd. He certainly showed more compassion and care for the hurting and ceremonially unclean than the Pharisees and scribes.
And, when the Canaanite shows her persistence is not going to fade, Jesus says her faith is “GREAT”, something he never EVER tells a Jewish follower in the Gospel! (consider how many times he tells his own disciples they have “little” faith!)
This story is concluded by Jesus giving figurative “bread” to a “dog” and is followed by Him giving miraculous bread to a crowd of dogs—proving to Matthew’s readers (again, a church struggling with the addition of Gentiles to the body) that Jesus embraces and lovers those outside Israel.
I could add more, but hopefully this will give anyone who trips up on this thread something to think about contrary to the ridiculous notion that the Word of God made flesh had to be “schooled” by a pagan.
I'm thinking come the Judgment Day, she will be schooled as to who is being schooled. If she doesn't know any more than this about Scripture or of Jesus' mission, she should do like the Good Book says - to keep silent.
I think it’s always a matter akin to what God did in the Garden of Eden when he called out asking Adam where he was. It wasn’t that he didn’t know, but he called out for the sake of Adam. Same thing with a parent who catches a child in the act of doing something wrong, but still says, “What are you doing?” It’s conversation for the benefit of the human beings involved. Just as Jesus said when raising Lazarus that He knew His Father heard them, but asked for the benefit of the people listening, and also how the Voice from Heaven that sounded like thunder to some, He said the Voice came for the benefit of some there.
Funny you snipped her phone number. LOL.
You are correct.
Before I saw the light I was a member of the Episcopal church and there was a female seminarian there who gave basically the same sermon but with great drama and flourish. I had to walk out shaking my head. Heaven protect earnest seekers who are deceived by these charlatans.
he refused this desperate woman
= = =
“I only do what I see the Father doing.”
He did not see the Father helping this woman (yet).
Same with us. Holy Spirit says help them, or don’t, ....
The subject looks the same to the outsider, who thinks a “Christian” should help them ALL.
Sorry, they don’t get it.
LOL!
OR, the takeaways could be:
A. Jesus IS God (God the Son. The second person of the Godhead).
B. As God, HE could do whatever HE pleased and it would be right. God is under no obligation to man. Man - through Adam's sin - is under condemnation and we can only beg for mercy.
C. Jesus gives an excellent lesson about being persistent in prayer. He gives this lesson often -- because it is very important (see Luke 18:1-8): Pray, and pray again. Pray knowing that all belongs to God, and knowing that we bring nothing in our hands.
D. And of course, my number one takeaway: this lady is a fool. She should not be masquerading as a pastor, and she needs to humble herself before the Lord and before HIS Word.
That passage stuck out to me, too. It’s Satanic deception, something like the Serpent talking to Eve. “We know we’ve been taught God is divine and all good, but we’ve never really thought about it all before, so we’ve probably gotten some wrong ideas. As for Jesus, we know He was human, like us, and humans sin, so...”
“Why did Jesus call the Canaanite woman a dog?”(Gotquestions.org)
Answer: In Matthew 15:21–28, Jesus encounters a Canaanite woman who begs Him to cure her daughter. Jesus initially refuses her request by saying, “It is not right to take the children’s bread and toss it to the dogs” (Matthew 15:26). Taken out of context, and especially in English, it’s easy to mistake this for an insult. In the flow of the story, however, it’s clear Jesus is creating a metaphor meant to explain the priorities of His ministry. He is also teaching an important lesson to His disciples.
Jews in Jesus’ day sometimes referred to Gentiles as “dogs.” In Greek, this word is kuon, meaning “wild cur” (Matthew 7:6; Luke 16:21; Philippians 3:2). Non-Jews were considered so unspiritual that even being in their presence could make a person ceremonially unclean (John 18:28). Much of Jesus’ ministry, however, involved turning expectations and prejudices on their heads (Matthew 11:19; John 4:9–10). According to Matthew’s narrative, Jesus left Israel and went into Tyre and Sidon, which was Gentile territory (Matthew 15:21). When the Canaanite woman approached and repeatedly asked for healing, the disciples were annoyed and asked Jesus to send her away (Matthew 15:23).
At this point, Jesus explained His current ministry in a way that both the woman and the watching disciples could understand. At that time, His duty was to the people of Israel, not to the Gentiles (Matthew 15:24). Recklessly taking His attention from Israel, in violation of His mission, would be like a father taking food from his children in order to throw it to their pets (Matthews 15:26). The exact word Jesus used here, in Greek, was kunarion, meaning “small dog” or “pet dog.” This is a completely different word from the term kuon, used to refer to unspiritual people or to an “unclean” animal.
Jesus frequently tested people to prove their intentions, often through response questions or challenges (see John 4:16–18; and 4:50–53). His response to the Canaanite woman is similar. In testing her, Jesus declined her request and explained that she had no legitimate expectation of His help. The woman, however, lived out the principle Jesus Himself taught in the parable of the persistent widow (Luke 18:1–8). Her response proved that she understood fully what Jesus was saying, yet had enough conviction to ask anyway (Matthew 15:27). Jesus acknowledged her faith—calling it “great”—and granted her request (Matthew 15:28).
So, according to both the context and language involved, Jesus wasn’t referring to the Canaanite woman as a “dog,” either directly or indirectly. He wasn’t using an epithet or racial slur but making a point about the priorities He’d been given by God. He was also testing the faith of the woman and teaching an important lesson to His disciples.
http://www.gotquestions.org/Canaanite-woman-dog.html
It was. I’d even think of calling. I’ll see. But it just conveniently happened that way because I wanted to get a little information on what “church” she was a part of, and that was the bio info that the web page gave on her, so I just copied it in full.
The author refuses to read Scripture as a whole. Jesus many times provoked people to respond to him, in order to expose the traditions that ran counter to God’s will. This is eisegesis and it is plain silly .
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