Posted on 10/13/2015 8:08:21 AM PDT by Salvation
I'll go with, "In the beginning, God....."
Any other redefining of who God is outside of the Word is an incorrect definition as He is the only God there is.
Let's make this real simple....
Is Jehovah the same in the OT and NT?
Yes or no are the only two options.
The Gospel was written so we could understand it.
To the point of multiple languages/translations confusing things is why I posted my reply.
The Greek clears up a lot of the problems. Problem is, most do not want to take the time to learn it. And therein is the problem.
The word “god” is generic. Other languages use different words as do other religions. When Moses asked God to tell him His name so he could say who had sent him, God told Moses that His name is “I am”. He said that Moses should tell the Jews that the I AM (the self-existent one) was who God was/is. The proper name of the only true God is represented by the tetragramaton JHWH. “Jehovah” is the Latinization of that proper name.
I laughed 'til I cried.
It reaches the meme definition of "insanity"
Giving it my best shot.
Today's _______ is worshipping a different god from the one that Hagar trusted and believed. Their perspective, their understanding, their concept of God has changed. (Their god) is significantly different from the God that the Jews and I worship in truth. The Jews knowledge of God is incomplete. The ________ god is a complete distortion of the God of Abraham. Their distortion is so great that it is not the same God I serve.
Things that make me say, "Hmmm..."
The same Who promised Abraham in the OT?
The same One in the NT?
Yes
Yes
And
Yes
Then who are catholics referring to when they say they worship/adore the same god as the muslims when Islam came about in the 7th century?
Is the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob the same in the OT and NT ?
Yes
He is not Allah.
Let’s make this real simple....
Is Jehovah the same in the OT and NT?
Yes or no are the only two options.
My problem with the way you phrase the question is it’s as if we can change who God is by what we believe.
God does not change; the God who said to Moses in Exodus 3:14, “I AM who I AM,” is the same God who said to the Jews in John 8:58, “before Abraham came to be, I AM.”
Jews, Christians, and Moslems all believe in the same God of Moses and Isaac and Jacob. The difference is in who we believe God is.
Jews believe that God has not yet sent the Messiah.
Christians believe that the Messiah has come in the person of Jesus, and with the Father and Holy Spirit form the trinity.
Moslems believe that God revealed himself through the prophet Mohammad.
It is the same God; what we believe is not the same.
Peace,
Rich
It doesn't matter how other religions define God. He is Who He is as He doesn't change.
God either is Who He says He is or He isn't. Others do not get to define Who He is. He has defined Himself.
Both Jews and Moslems profess to worship and adore the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob in their own respective languages, as do you.
Well, if the CCC had put it that way you might have an argument.
However CCC 841 doesn't put it that way.
The Church's relationship with the Muslims. "The plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator, in the first place amongst whom are the Muslims; these profess to hold the faith of Abraham, and together with us(catholics italics and insert mine) they adore the one, merciful God, mankind's judge on the last day."330
The only way to read this is the ccc is pointing to one God.
You can point to different renderings all you want.
The question remains....is God the same in the OT and the NT?
Catholics have boxed themselves in on this way as seen by catholic attempts to parse words like the Clintons.
To rwa265's point....He is not the same God as worshipped by the Muslims. To continue to insist He is shows a complete lack of understanding of just Who God is as He has revealed Himself in His Word.
When catholics say Jews reject Messiah, that is bias on their part as not all Jews have rejected Messiah. There are a lot of catholics who have rejected Messiah as well by their allegiance to Mary. There are a lot of Gentiles who have rejected Messiah as well.
We're still left not knowing for sure who it is catholics and muslims worship/adore.
The bottom line is, continues to be and always will be.....God is the same in the OT and NT and HE DOES NOT CHANGE.
It seems to me the stumbling block for you is you think there are many gods; a God of Catholicism, a God of Protestantism, a God of Mormonism, a God of Judaism, a God of Islam, etc. God is; He exists, He is not created or defined by man's religious beliefs. There is only one God, "the God" of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. Each of the aforementioned groups profess to worship and adore the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. The Catechism does not declare that they all do so correctly and without error. They do identify the same God by the contextual reference to Abraham, who all look to.
Are you sure you meant to include them in that list? Because I'm pretty sure that since the Church has declared their baptisms to be invalid, they're off worshiping a different god than the rest of us...
You and the clintons would get along very well.
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