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Compare and Contrast! Two Pictures from Different Ages – Which Age Looks Healthier?
Archdiocese of Washington ^ | 10-25-15 | Msgr. Charles Pope

Posted on 10/26/2015 7:21:40 AM PDT by Salvation

Compare and Contrast! Two Pictures from Different Ages – Which Age Looks Healthier?

October 25, 2015

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I was recently in Burgos, Spain and saw the splendid cathedral there. My first views of it came at night and I took the photo at the upper right. What a magnificent building; such proportion and symmetry! To me there is the echo of tall trees in a forest, majestically reaching up to the heavens. There is also evident a great advance in building technique in the flying buttresses that support the soaring walls and towers.

These were the skyscrapers of the middle ages. Such angular, geometric, and vertical beauty; a fair flower of the 13th century echoing God’s creation and pointing to Him in a great work of human praise.

Two medieval phrases come to mind in the beauty of this building. Beauty is:

  1. Beauty is id quod visum placet – (Beauty is) that which pleases when seen.
  2. Pulchra dicuntur quae visa placent – Things that give pleasure when seen are called beautiful.

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A mere thirty yards from this beautiful cathedral in the town square was something that is not beautiful in any traditional sense. I took the photo of it that is here on the left. It was not lightsome; it seemed to correspond to nothing in creation (unless one were to imagine a dinosaur dropping or some giant stumbling block). Frankly, like most modern abstract art, it looks more to me like someone’s nightmare. It seems to have little to say other than “Try to figure me out, you ignoramus.” For indeed, that is what I am usually called by art critics when I express dismay at these sorts of ugly blobs that clutter too many of our public squares and “art” museums today.

There are some who mistakenly call the Middle Ages the “Dark Ages” and smugly call our age “enlightened.” Certainly no age is perfect, but compare and contrast the two items in the photos here: one is lightsome, soaring, and inspiring; the other is dark, brooding, and opaque as to its meaning. One is a lightsome building from the 13th century, the other a dark “who-knows-what” from the 20th century. Based on representational art, which age seems more inspiring? Which seems more enlightened? You decide. But I’ll take the 13th century.

St. Thomas Aquinas (also from the 13th century) spoke of beauty as consisting of integritas, consonantia, and claritas. He writes,

For beauty includes three conditions: “integrity” or “perfection,” since those things which are impaired are by the very fact ugly; due “proportion” or “harmony”; and lastly, “brightness” or “clarity,” whence things are called beautiful which have a bright color (Summa Theologica I, 38, art 8).

In applying these criteria to human art and architecture, we might consider the following:

Integritas (integrity) – This speaks to the manner in which something echoes the beauty of what God has done. Thomas says that every created being is beautiful since God gives beauty to all created beings by a certain participation in the divine beauty. Therefore, human art and architecture are said to have integrity insofar as they participate in and point to the divine beauty of things. This need not mean an exact mimicry but at least a respectful glance to creation, holding some aspect of it forth so as to edify us with better and higher things. The cathedral above points to a majestic forest as its form, its soaring stone to the mountains. Its colored glass allows the natural light to dazzle the eye and tell the stories of the Gospel. It is a sermon in glass and stone. As such, it has integrity, since it tells forth God’s glory. I’m not sure what the dark metal blob says. To what does it point? I have no idea. As such, it does not have integrity, since it is not integrated into the glory of creation in any way that I can discern. It seems rather to mock creation. If you think it is beautiful and has integrity, I invite you so explain why and how. But I am at a loss to see any meaning at all in it.

Consonantia (proportion) – This refers to the order and unity within a given thing. What God creates has a unity and purpose in its parts, which work together in an orderly fashion to direct something to its proper function or end. Thus art and architecture intrinsically bespeak a unity and functionality or they point to it extrinsically. They make sense of the world and respect what is given, reflecting the beauty of order, purpose, and design that God has set forth. The cathedral is beautiful because its parts act together in an orderly and harmonious way. There is balance, proportion, and symmetry. There is a recta ratio factibilium (something made according to right reason). As such, the building participates in God’s good order; that is a beautiful thing. As for the dark metal “thing” (I don’t know what to call it), it doesn’t seem to me to have any proportion. It is roundish, but not really. Does it have parts? Do they work together for some end? If so, what end? I cannot tell. Rather than pointing to order, it makes me think of chaos. As such, I see no beauty echoed or pointed to.

Claritas (clarity) – It is through clarity that we can answer the question, “What is it?” with an ample degree of precision and ready understanding. Claritas also refers to the brightness or radiance of a thing. Something of God’s glory shines through; something about it gives light; something teaches and reminds us of God, and God and light are beautiful. The beautiful cathedral reflects the light shining on it, even at night. During the day it proclaims the glory of God by its soaring majesty, its sculptures, its windows, its order and proportion. It is a bright light showing forth the brightness of God and participating in it. As for the metal thing, it seems more to suck the light out of the room; it broods. I see no clarity, no brightness. I still cannot answer the question that clarity demands: “What is it?” There is no clear message. As such, it lacks beauty.

The criteria of beauty discussed here cannot be used for labeling things “beautiful” with absolute certainty, as if by applying a formula. They are more like guidelines to help us pin down some notion of beauty that is not purely subjective. Not all these criteria must be present for an object to be considered beautiful, and the presence of one does not guarantee that the object is beautiful.

So again, you decide. Each item pictured above is emblematic of its age. Were the “Dark Ages” really so dark? And is ours really so enlightened? Compare and contrast!


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Art and judgment.

Comments, anyone?

1 posted on 10/26/2015 7:21:40 AM PDT by Salvation
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Monsignor Pope Ping!


2 posted on 10/26/2015 7:23:12 AM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Salvation
Communist Goals, Congressional Record, 1963

22. Continue discrediting American culture by degrading all forms of artistic expression. An American Communist cell was told to "eliminate all good sculpture from parks and buildings, substitute shapeless, awkward and meaningless forms."

23. Control art critics and directors of art museums. "Our plan is to promote ugliness, repulsive, meaningless art."

3 posted on 10/26/2015 7:27:19 AM PDT by Old Sarge
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To: Salvation

Comments, anyone?

Sure - take a drive through Fort Collins, Colorado. A big push for ‘open space’ which I simply call ‘parks’. It’s a park. The ‘enlightened’ locals place freaky metal or cast iron art next to every trailhead and/or parking lot entrance none of which define anything. It’s a glob of whatever, I can’t describe it other than it doesn’t fit within a natural landscape. Reading your thread had me thinking of the lack of clarity, proportion, etc.


4 posted on 10/26/2015 7:27:52 AM PDT by lesko
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To: Salvation

Ugly is the new beautiful.


5 posted on 10/26/2015 7:40:43 AM PDT by Mr Ramsbotham (Sanders/Cruz in 2016!)
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To: Salvation

Both natural and man-made beauty evoke thoughts of G-d.

Modern “Art” can be interesting and thought-provoking, but never produces the kind of wonder that makes one consider G-d.

Modern Art reflects very well our G-dless modern world.


6 posted on 10/26/2015 7:41:14 AM PDT by Calpublican (Republican Party Now Stands for Nothing!!!!!(Except Conniving))
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To: Salvation
The human soul longs for beauty. Western art and architecture of the twentith century (for the most part) has been an adolescent temper tantrum. I hope the culture (should it survive invasion) will look back with a sense of embarrassment at its hubris when it regains its appetite for beauty.

Your comparison is a perfect illustration.

7 posted on 10/26/2015 7:43:26 AM PDT by Ouchthatonehurt ("When you're going through hell, keep going." - Sir Winston Churchill)
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To: Salvation

Gothic buildings are just a series of phallic symbols designed by repressed homosexuals who were trying to forcefully impose their Patriarchal religion onto the general public.

Naturally, women, children, and minorities were impacted the most.


8 posted on 10/26/2015 7:51:40 AM PDT by Bratch
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To: Salvation
Pardon the long quote:

He defines beauty as a property of something that ‘reveals its ontological being’. Another way of putting this was given to me by Dr Caroline Farey of the School of the Annunciation in Devon, England. She defined beauty as the ‘splendour of being’. Both definitions are telling us that beauty is a property of something that reveals to us what it is. So in the context of this talk, to be beautiful a church must look like church. It must appeal to our sense of what a church is.

As a bit of supporting anecdotal evidence for the definition that Denis gives: when I was a high school physics teacher in England many years ago, at the end of term I used to present the class with a piece of mechanical equipment made in Victorian times. It had cogs and moving parts exquisitely machined in polished brass. No one in the building knew what it was for, and we couldn’t tell from looking at it what its purpose was (I never found out). Nevertheless, the precision and harmony of the motion its parts when turned were such that all assumed that it must have one. I would bring this into the classroom and without comment place it down on the table in front of them; I would let them look at it for a few moments. Then I would ask the question: ‘Do you think this is beautiful?’ Every time the response of the students was the same. They didn’t answer yes or no, the always asked: ‘What is it?’ These were 17 and 18 year olds who had never studied aesthetics and and it was a school in London that had no particular Catholic or even Christian connections. Yet these students knew instintively that they could not answer the question, ‘is it beautiful?’ without knowing what the object was.

As I see it, this establishment of principles of beauty should not be interpreted as a way of proving (or disproving) that something is beautiful. Any attempts to create ‘rules of beauty’ to that end will always fall flat in this regard. That is not to say that there are not guiding principles, but that these are better thought of in the same way as the rules of harmony and counterpoint in music. All beautiful music makes good use of them; but not all music that obeys the rules of harmony and counterpoint is beautiful. There is always a intuitive element that relates to how they are employed that cannot be accounted for definitively when creating beauty – this is what marks the good composer from someone who just has technical understanding.

The Way of Beauty

9 posted on 10/26/2015 7:55:53 AM PDT by annalex (fear them not)
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To: Salvation
I was watching a program on Britain this AM called Wonders of Great Britain. The topic today was buildings in G. Britain.

They spent a good bit of time on St. Paul's Cathedral duscussing the complexities of its dome. It passing they mentioned that Sir Chrisopher Wren had designed it to be the tallest buildeng in London. Thus, the reason that the dome is actually double and is a very complicated structure. An ordinary dome wouldn't have had the strength to hold up the "lantern" atop the dome which weighs 800 lbs and is the capstone that makes it the tallest building.

Sir Christopher Wren is arguably the greates architect the world has ever known. Arguably I said. Anyhow, he's pretty famous and highly acclaimed, even today. St. Paul's has been the tallest structure in London for centuries and survived the Blitz.

So, fast forward to today and there, just a few blocks away, stands an horrific modern, glass, wedge shaped building which towers over St. Paul. Locals call it "the cheese grater". London's Board of Planners must be all atheists. I can't see any other reason they would have for approving this monstrosity that towers over St. Paul's.

Leadenhall Building

St. Paul's

The only concession that Leadenhall made to St. Paul was in it's shap. The wedge shape was so it wouldn't interfere with one favorite view of St. Paul's.

10 posted on 10/26/2015 7:58:07 AM PDT by afraidfortherepublic (.)
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To: Salvation
Building cathedrals like that in the 21st Century would likely be prohibitively expensive. I believe it took decades to build those cathedrals and took 3 or more generations of workers to build them.

Also, the Middle Ages did not have to contend with union wages!

Some of the ones in New York City (built mostly prior to 1900) are pretty impressive.

11 posted on 10/26/2015 8:02:03 AM PDT by SamAdams76 (Businessmen use their own money to succeed. Politicians take other people's money and fail.)
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To: Old Sarge

I wasn’t aware of this. Thank you.


12 posted on 10/26/2015 8:11:01 AM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Salvation

Long ago, artistic talent was a prerequisite for a career as an artist


13 posted on 10/26/2015 8:15:57 AM PDT by daku
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To: Salvation
Your new egalitarian public housing, comrad.


14 posted on 10/26/2015 8:16:28 AM PDT by Jeff Chandler (No more Bushes. W killed the brand.)
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To: afraidfortherepublic

“Sir Christopher Wren is arguably the greates architect the world has ever known.”

That would be an interesting argument since he’s known for ONE building although he designed dozens. That one building is St. Paul’s - which is nothing but an attempt to make an English St. Peter’s or Church of the Val-de-Grâce (which Wren visited). The original St. Paul’s - though much smaller - was a more impressive building architecturally than the later building: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Old_St_Paul%27s_Cathedral The old church also had the best stain glass windows in England.


15 posted on 10/26/2015 8:19:29 AM PDT by vladimir998 (Apparently I'm still living in your head rent free. At least now it isn't empty.)
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To: Old Sarge
I remember the commie art.
There was one which showed Chinese women, dancing a commie ballet, flags, faraway gaze, the whole nine yards.

They ain't that way now.

Luciano Pavarotti took western opera to China a long time ago. The Chinese LOVED him. They gave him a standing "O" every time he hit that high C--almost impossible for only but the STAR tenors. And he was that.

16 posted on 10/26/2015 8:19:52 AM PDT by cloudmountain
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To: Salvation

And what came between that beautiful Gothic church and the modern “art”?

No less an authority than the Protestant architect Ralph Adams Cram once wrote:

“From the outbreak of the Protestant revolution, the old kinship between beauty and religion was deprecated and often forgotten. Not only was there, amongst the reformers and their adherents, a definite hatred of beauty and a determination to destroy it when found; there was also a conscientious elimination of everything of the sort from the formularies, services, and structures that applied to their new religion. This unprecedented break between religion and beauty had a good deal to do with that waning interest in religion itself. Protestantism, with its derivative materialistic rationalism, divested religion of its essential elements of mystery and wonder, and worship of its equally essential elements of beauty. Under this powerful combination of destructive influences, it is not to be wondered at that, of the once faithful, many have fallen away. Man is, by instinct, not only a lover of beauty, he is also by nature a ‘ritualist,’ that is to say, he does, when left alone, desire form and ceremony, if significant. If this instinctive craving for ceremonial is denied to man in religion, where it preeminently belongs, he takes it on for himself in secular fields; elaborates ritual in secret societies, in the fashion of his dress, in the details of social custom. He also, in desperation, invents new religions and curious sects working up for them strange rituals . . . extravagant and vulgar devices that are now the sardonic delight of the ungodly. ... If once more beauty can be restored to the offices of religion, many who are now self-excommunicated from their Church will thankfully find their way back to the House they have abandoned. The whole Catholic Faith is shot through and through with this vital and essential quality of beauty. It is this beauty implicit in the Christian revelation and its operative system that was explicit in the material and visible Churches and their art. We must contend against the strongest imaginable combination of prejudices and superstitions. These are of two sorts. There is first, the heritage of ignorance and fear from the dark ages of the sixteenth century. I am speaking of non-Catholic Christianity. Ignorance of authentic history, instigated by protagonists of propaganda; fear of beauty, because all that we now have in Christian art was engendered and formulated by and through Catholicism; fear that the acceptance of beauty means that awful thing—’surrender to superstition.’ It is fear that lies at the root of the matter, as it does in so many other fields of mental activity.” (Radio Replies, vol. 2: 1052)


17 posted on 10/26/2015 8:21:13 AM PDT by vladimir998 (Apparently I'm still living in your head rent free. At least now it isn't empty.)
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To: Salvation

"Dark" Ages

"Enlightened" Modern Age


18 posted on 10/26/2015 8:24:59 AM PDT by Jeff Chandler (No more Bushes. W killed the brand.)
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To: Salvation

What is the second picture is what I am asking?


19 posted on 10/26/2015 8:28:49 AM PDT by Biggirl ("One Lord, one faith, one baptism" - Ephesians 4:5)
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To: Salvation
Here's the Full List...:

Communist Goals (1963) Congressional Record--Appendix, pp. A34-A35 January 10, 1963

1. U.S. acceptance of coexistence as the only alternative to atomic war.

2. U.S. willingness to capitulate in preference to engaging in atomic war.

3. Develop the illusion that total disarmament [by] the United States would be a demonstration of moral strength.

4. Permit free trade between all nations regardless of Communist affiliation and regardless of whether or not items could be used for war.

5. Extension of long-term loans to Russia and Soviet satellites.

6. Provide American aid to all nations regardless of Communist domination.

7. Grant recognition of Red China. Admission of Red China to the U.N.

8. Set up East and West Germany as separate states in spite of Khrushchev's promise in 1955 to settle the German question by free elections under supervision of the U.N.

9. Prolong the conferences to ban atomic tests because the United States has agreed to suspend tests as long as negotiations are in progress.

10. Allow all Soviet satellites individual representation in the U.N.

11. Promote the U.N. as the only hope for mankind. If its charter is rewritten, demand that it be set up as a one-world government with its own independent armed forces. (Some Communist leaders believe the world can be taken over as easily by the U.N. as by Moscow. Sometimes these two centers compete with each other as they are now doing in the Congo.)

12. Resist any attempt to outlaw the Communist Party.

13. Do away with all loyalty oaths.

14. Continue giving Russia access to the U.S. Patent Office.

15. Capture one or both of the political parties in the United States.

16. Use technical decisions of the courts to weaken basic American institutions by claiming their activities violate civil rights.

17. Get control of the schools. Use them as transmission belts for socialism and current Communist propaganda. Soften the curriculum. Get control of teachers' associations. Put the party line in textbooks.

18. Gain control of all student newspapers.

19. Use student riots to foment public protests against programs or organizations which are under Communist attack.

20. Infiltrate the press. Get control of book-review assignments, editorial writing, policy-making positions.

21. Gain control of key positions in radio, TV, and motion pictures.

22. Continue discrediting American culture by degrading all forms of artistic expression. An American Communist cell was told to "eliminate all good sculpture from parks and buildings, substitute shapeless, awkward and meaningless forms."

23. Control art critics and directors of art museums. "Our plan is to promote ugliness, repulsive, meaningless art."

24. Eliminate all laws governing obscenity by calling them "censorship" and a violation of free speech and free press.

25. Break down cultural standards of morality by promoting pornography and obscenity in books, magazines, motion pictures, radio, and TV.

26. Present homosexuality, degeneracy and promiscuity as "normal, natural, healthy."

27. Infiltrate the churches and replace revealed religion with "social" religion. Discredit the Bible and emphasize the need for intellectual maturity, which does not need a "religious crutch."

28. Eliminate prayer or any phase of religious expression in the schools on the ground that it violates the principle of "separation of church and state."

29. Discredit the American Constitution by calling it inadequate, old-fashioned, out of step with modern needs, a hindrance to cooperation between nations on a worldwide basis.

30. Discredit the American Founding Fathers. Present them as selfish aristocrats who had no concern for the "common man."

31. Belittle all forms of American culture and discourage the teaching of American history on the ground that it was only a minor part of the "big picture." Give more emphasis to Russian history since the Communists took over.

32. Support any socialist movement to give centralized control over any part of the culture--education, social agencies, welfare programs, mental health clinics, etc.

33. Eliminate all laws or procedures which interfere with the operation of the Communist apparatus.

34. Eliminate the House Committee on Un-American Activities.

35. Discredit and eventually dismantle the FBI.

36. Infiltrate and gain control of more unions.

37. Infiltrate and gain control of big business.

38. Transfer some of the powers of arrest from the police to social agencies. Treat all behavioral problems as psychiatric disorders which no one but psychiatrists can understand [or treat].

39. Dominate the psychiatric profession and use mental health laws as a means of gaining coercive control over those who oppose Communist goals.

40. Discredit the family as an institution. Encourage promiscuity and easy divorce.

41. Emphasize the need to raise children away from the negative influence of parents. Attribute prejudices, mental blocks and retarding of children to suppressive influence of parents.

42. Create the impression that violence and insurrection are legitimate aspects of the American tradition; that students and special-interest groups should rise up and use ["]united force["] to solve economic, political or social problems.

43. Overthrow all colonial governments before native populations are ready for self-government.

44. Internationalize the Panama Canal.

45. Repeal the Connally reservation so the United States cannot prevent the World Court from seizing jurisdiction [over domestic problems. Give the World Court jurisdiction] over nations and individuals alike.

20 posted on 10/26/2015 8:36:21 AM PDT by Old Sarge
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