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1 posted on 12/09/2015 10:22:15 PM PST by hoagy62
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Love is not defined as looking the other way when it comes to evil.

Start with Revelation 2:6 to get things moving back into context.


2 posted on 12/09/2015 10:25:10 PM PST by Olog-hai
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Were the Popes who called for ALL of the Crusades not "good" Christians then ?

Jesus told his followers to even sell the clothes off their backs and buy swords with which to smite their enemies with. So just what does that make Jesus the Christ ?

3 posted on 12/09/2015 10:25:46 PM PST by nopardons
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It is really very simple. It is like with the Gays, I do not hate them I hate what they do.


4 posted on 12/09/2015 10:26:24 PM PST by easternsky
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If there were mooslimbs during His time, he probably would have made exceptions.


5 posted on 12/09/2015 10:28:01 PM PST by going hot (Happiness is a Momma Deuce)
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you can love them all you want.. but God holds us accountable for protecting and providing for our own families, wife, husband, parents, children, grandchildren, siblings, cousins, in laws... ETC.

If we let the crazies kill or harm those for whom we are accountable, God will NOT approve. We can turn our own cheek... ONCE. Not a requirement that we do so as a NATION twice or three times... and under no circumstance can we expect our families to turn their cheeks and face destruction... as we are sworn under oath to God to love THEM more than our own bodies.

There comes a time to sell your cloak and buy a sword. Jesus said so himself... and Jesus is NOT wrong. Ever.


6 posted on 12/09/2015 10:29:38 PM PST by MIA_eccl1212 (When you see a drowning liberal, throw them the anchor...)
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What you are seeing is not “hatred of Muslims”.

It is righteous anger at the actions of Jihadists and terrorists to kill and torture for no reason. It is frustration with the Obama administration and others for encouraging terrorists and releasing terrorists.

It is a moral and honorable desire to protect our families, our country and our way of life.

There is nothing more immoral than refusing to confront evil.

Edmund Burke said “all that is necessary for evil to succeed is for good men to do nothing”

Allowing evil to succeed is not Christian or moral.

7 posted on 12/09/2015 10:29:51 PM PST by detective
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There’s nothing “un-Christian” about having a healthy sense of self-preservation nor does a Christian outlook preclude self-defense or defense of one’s family and community. Those who claim otherwise are traitors to their families, their community their religion and to humanity.


8 posted on 12/09/2015 10:30:06 PM PST by Noumenon (Resistance. Restoration. Retribution.)
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Righteous anger. Some people need killing.


10 posted on 12/09/2015 10:33:52 PM PST by Salvavida (The restoration of the U.S.A. starts with filling the pews at every Bible-believing church.)
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Because turning the other cheek is not a suicide pact.


11 posted on 12/09/2015 10:34:03 PM PST by GraceG (Protect the Border from Illegal Aliens, Don't Protect Illegal Alien Boarders...)
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1 Samuel 15:2-3, God commanded Saul and the Israelites, “This is what the LORD Almighty says: ‘I will punish the Amalekites for what they did to Israel when they waylaid them as they came up from Egypt. Now go, attack the Amalekites and totally destroy everything that belongs to them. Do not spare them; put to death men and women, children and infants, cattle and sheep, camels and donkeys.’”


12 posted on 12/09/2015 10:35:00 PM PST by Dallas59 (Only a fool stumbles on things behind him.)
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Me thinks the modern world mistakenly equates criticism for hate.......


13 posted on 12/09/2015 10:36:08 PM PST by JParris
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I hate militant Muslims because they are vicious, murderous, lunatics. All other Muslims I profoundly disagree with. That’s not the same thing as hate. Disagreement is about ideas. Some ideas are incompatible. It’s still not hate. I see them as entrapped and so I might even feel sympathy, if we must define everything in terms of emotion. The militant element does make me feel caution more than I used to. If things keep increasing it may rise to the level of extreme caution.

As for the category I said I hate, even those people I would not hate to the degree of violence except to the point of defending myself and others. In Christianity, vengeance belongs to God. He will repay.

I am really sick of the misuse and abuse of the word “hate.”


14 posted on 12/09/2015 10:36:34 PM PST by The Ghost of FReepers Past (Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light..... Isaiah 5:20)
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Revelation 12

12 Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.


16 posted on 12/09/2015 10:38:20 PM PST by BraveMan
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How do you square your Christian faith with hatred of Muslims?

How do you justify our military service? When they started issuing sidearms to officers in the Air Force, I asked my brother if he could use it. He said he didn't know. I told him he better decide quick.

You need to decide the answer to your own question quick because the enemy is at the gate and it matters little what we think.

17 posted on 12/09/2015 10:39:29 PM PST by higgmeister ( In the Shadow of The Big Chicken! (one Jingoist to another ;^))
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Deuteronomy 20:16–18 Embed 16 But in the cities of these peoples that the Lord your God is giving you for an inheritance, you shall save alive nothing that breathes, 17 but you shall devote them to complete destruction, the Hittites and the Amorites, the Canaanites and the Perizzites, the Hivites and the Jebusites, as the Lord your God has commanded, 18 that they may not teach you to do according to all their abominable practices that they have done for their gods, and so you sin against the Lord your God.
18 posted on 12/09/2015 10:41:18 PM PST by Dallas59 (Only a fool stumbles on things behind him.)
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Very simple answer. When scripture was written, Islam did not yet exist.

The OT contains many warnings about tribes and nations, particularly those in opposition to God and Israel.

I have no doubt that if Islam predated scripture, it would contain warnings about Islam and the wrath muslims would incur from God and His people.

19 posted on 12/09/2015 10:41:26 PM PST by matt1234 (Note to GOPe lurkers: I and thousands like me will NEVER vote for Jeb Bush)
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I have lived in the Muslim world and have written about our experiences (The Gathering Storm, Dailey) from a Christian point of view. There is a balance to be struck between xenophobia and legitimate security concerns. I found many Muslims to be commendable, but they were unable to stand against the violent impulse at the heart of their religion.


20 posted on 12/09/2015 10:41:44 PM PST by tjd1454
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I don’t know of any Christians that actually hate Muslims. Obviously there are plenty of Muslims who hate Christians and Jews, though. You don’t have to hate them to be protective of your family and yourself.


22 posted on 12/09/2015 10:45:32 PM PST by excalibur21
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IBTZ.

No one here hates muslims. They hate islam. Like hating communism, nazism, King George. Not that hard to distinguish.

If Islam motivates a muslim to want to kill us, then we have a problem with them. There is an inherent right of self defense, even for Christians. Preferably, instead of fighting them because they follow their religion, we should be actively working to convince them why their religion is phony, ridiculous and barbaric. However, that wouldn't be allowed in a morally relative age, so we must suffer them getting worse every generation.

TTFN.

23 posted on 12/09/2015 10:50:22 PM PST by Defiant (There are two Republican parties--the GOPe and the PRP (People's Republican Party). PRP will win.)
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Historically, every nation, including Christian nations, that adopted a wimpy view toward Islam was annihilated.

Nowhere does the Bible teach that God’s people are simply to bow their necks, and the necks of their children, to evil.


25 posted on 12/09/2015 10:55:17 PM PST by EternalVigilance
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