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Joel Osteen and The Prosperity Gospel
Southern View Chapel ^ | July 2009 | Southern View Chapel

Posted on 12/27/2015 8:56:51 AM PST by Greetings_Puny_Humans

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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans
The Secret is NOT "New Age"!
21 posted on 12/27/2015 11:22:28 AM PST by TBP (Obama lies, Granny dies.)
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To: leaning conservative

**It makes me sad that there are people out there so vulnerable to these leeches.**

Some folks just have to learn the hard way. Remember the woman that had suffered many things in trying to be healed from her issue of blood? There are people that go to live with the ‘Philistines’ because things are going bad where they live (Abraham and Isaac), but then they realize that they are not in God’s will, even though it seemed like the right place to be at the time.

**And Joel Osteen, those close together gopher eyes & creepy smile just makes me want to slug him.**

Disliking someone, because of physical aspects they were born with, is not a good reason for that behavior. Even a smile is genetic because of the bone and muscle structure.

I will say that hating someone’s hairdo is acceptable, IMO. My wife hasn’t worn makeup for almost 33 years. Neither one of us misses it. I’m so conditioned to it, that it’s often the first thing I notice on a woman.

But, hating sin is inherited from God, and is a must.


22 posted on 12/27/2015 11:23:26 AM PST by Zuriel (Acts 2:38,39....Do you believe it?)
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To: prisoner6

**I will say it’s also not God’s purpose in anyone’s life to make people poor, ill and miserable.**

Well then, you should do just great if you happen to be a (Christian) merchantman and get shipwrecked on the coast of Iran or Libya.


23 posted on 12/27/2015 11:33:54 AM PST by Zuriel (Acts 2:38,39....Do you believe it?)
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To: Zuriel

Now you are just being silly.

If you think God put you here to suffer instead of prosper, you and I disagree.


24 posted on 12/27/2015 11:40:28 AM PST by prisoner6 (Unmutual and Disharmonious)
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To: TBP
So the goal of life is to suffer and be miserable?

Righteousness is true wealth. Material wealth and health is not the center of the Gospel, nor is even respected by God.

25 posted on 12/27/2015 12:05:42 PM PST by Greetings_Puny_Humans (I mostly come out at night... mostly.)
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To: prisoner6
I will say it’s also not God’s purpose in anyone’s life to make people poor, ill and miserable.

God is responsible both for material wealth and poverty. He gives and He takes away, all for His own glory and purpose. The Christian covets spiritual wealth, and is thus always wealthy even when poor. God has created many impoverished saints throughout the entirety of history, not because He wanted to harm them for no reason, but for His own glory and the growth of the saints.

26 posted on 12/27/2015 12:09:33 PM PST by Greetings_Puny_Humans (I mostly come out at night... mostly.)
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To: TBP
The Secret is NOT "New Age"!

Anyone familiar with New Age occultism would understand the clear roots of these teachings.

27 posted on 12/27/2015 12:11:29 PM PST by Greetings_Puny_Humans (I mostly come out at night... mostly.)
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To: prisoner6

“I will say it’s also not God’s purpose in anyone’s life to make people poor, ill and miserable.”

What was Job’s story, then?


28 posted on 12/27/2015 12:13:30 PM PST by Politicalkiddo ("How many observe Christ's birthday! How few, his precepts!"- Benjamin Franklin)
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To: Zuriel

I usually try & not slag people off because of their looks because genetically it is what you are given. But I do think he has beady, insincere eyes & an extremely fake smile. Plus I remember how awful his wife acted years ago on a plane flight.

Not a fan of these charlatans!


29 posted on 12/27/2015 12:13:51 PM PST by leaning conservative (snow coming, school cancelled, yayyyyyyyyy!!!!!!!!!!!)
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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans

The prosperity offered by the Gospel is of the heart not the wallet.
Osteen and others are more concerned with the wallet then the heart.


30 posted on 12/27/2015 12:21:46 PM PST by 48th SPS Crusader (I am an American. Not a Republican or a Democrat)
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To: Politicalkiddo

Again,little if anything to do with what I said! In my worship God did not put us here to be miserable. You want to be poor, ill and miserable? Go ahead if it makes you feel better.

Similar to the leftists who think the West should feel guilty for poor nations.


31 posted on 12/27/2015 12:30:46 PM PST by prisoner6 (Unmutual and Disharmonious)
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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans

I’d like to see their Scriptural support for this kind of stuff.

More on wolves in sheep’s clothing being exposed.

The Kundalini Spirit Has Invaded the Church Masquerading as the Holy Spirit!!!
BE VIGILANT!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WfXmDkQiE2o

Exposing Benny Hinn
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bffI10DDj-c

They’re both relatively short.


32 posted on 12/27/2015 12:37:22 PM PST by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: prisoner6; Zuriel

So what are all the people in other countries doing poor, persecuted, and martyred for? Why are they in jail for their faith?

Isn’t their faith strong enough?

Maybe you should educate them that God doesn’t want them in those circumstances and they just need to speak blessing and freedom on themselves and see how that works out for them.

But first, read the last part of Hebrews 11, verses 35-40 and get back to us on why God allowed them to endure what they did and why they did NOT receive what He promised them.


33 posted on 12/27/2015 12:43:31 PM PST by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: prisoner6; Politicalkiddo

Did you ever read what Jesus said to the Laodecian church in Revelation?

It might be good if you did some time.

There’s far more to life than physical material success, but the word of faith movement disallows for God to use hardship and adversity to accomplish His purposes in us.

I just love how they all decide how God should be working in my life, feel obligated to tell me that, and then condemn ME when what’s happening in my life doesn’t fit with how they think it should be.

Did God tell you personally that He wants everyone to be healthy and rich? How does that fit with Jesus telling us that in this world we WILL have tribulation?

Honestly, the people who I see struggle most in their spiritual lives are the ones who decide for God how He should be working and then get thrown for a loop when He doesn’t perform on demand for them.


34 posted on 12/27/2015 12:49:39 PM PST by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: metmom

Good grief! You are not going to change my mind and I am not going to change yours!

You want to be poor and suffer go ahead.

I intend to enjoy life, as I believe God intended! I am with grandkids trying to watch the Steelers game.

Merry Christmas!


35 posted on 12/27/2015 12:49:57 PM PST by prisoner6 (Unmutual and Disharmonious)
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To: metmom

No, I intend to enjoy life and watch the Steelers game.


36 posted on 12/27/2015 12:51:15 PM PST by prisoner6 (Unmutual and Disharmonious)
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To: dforest

Genesis...the temptation of Eve....”You shall be as the gods...”!


37 posted on 12/27/2015 12:51:33 PM PST by mdmathis6
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To: prisoner6

What makes you think that’s what I WANT?

Of course nobody wants that.

But God does not perform on demand for His creation, doing their bidding as they see fit.

I don’t doubt Jesus was healthy, but He also was poor and He got CRUCIFIED. Hardly the course of a life that televangelists portray that we all should have.

And I did not fail to notice that you failed to answer the questions.


38 posted on 12/27/2015 12:55:07 PM PST by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: metmom

This all started because I mentioned I enjoyed Dr Eugene Scott and Joel Olsteen. That’s all. Then I am piled on by people who seem to want to convert me. What should I convert to? Lutheran? Presbyterian? Catholic? Episcopal?

I am happy with my relationship with God.

Merry Christmas.

BTW Steelers lost...of course.


39 posted on 12/27/2015 1:03:48 PM PST by prisoner6 (Unmutual and Disharmonious)
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To: prisoner6
This all started because I mentioned I enjoyed Dr Eugene Scott and Joel Olsteen. That’s all. Then I am piled on by people who seem to want to convert me.

It's like admitting to being a fan of Justin Beiber or Miley Cyrus. Of course you were going to get jumped. What did you expect?

40 posted on 12/27/2015 1:09:50 PM PST by Greetings_Puny_Humans (I mostly come out at night... mostly.)
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