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Joel Osteen and The Prosperity Gospel
Southern View Chapel ^ | July 2009 | Southern View Chapel

Posted on 12/27/2015 8:56:51 AM PST by Greetings_Puny_Humans

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To: prisoner6
BTW Steelers lost...of course.

Not quite like wearing a hair shirt and castigating yourself with a whip, but did you suffer and do you feel any better for it, you know, spiritually?

41 posted on 12/27/2015 1:18:20 PM PST by GBA (Here in the matrix, life is but a dream.)
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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans

It was somewhat humorous. Maybe some here are too wrapped up in their religion to grasp that.

I still firmly believe we are not here to suffer, we honor God by enjoying His gifts.

It’s similar to people who tell me not to enjoy the food I like. Cajun, buttery, artery clogging, salted, sugary foods.

Don’t care. I am not going to eat what “health food” people advocate. I intend to die with a happy tummy even if it’s an early, painful death.

You believe otherwise, so be it.


42 posted on 12/27/2015 1:24:16 PM PST by prisoner6 (Unmutual and Disharmonious)
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To: GBA

Steelers fans always suffer with Tomlin and affirmative action Rooney. The old man was cool though. Met him many times.


43 posted on 12/27/2015 1:27:00 PM PST by prisoner6 (Unmutual and Disharmonious)
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To: prisoner6
Steelers fans always suffer with Tomlin and affirmative action Rooney.

You have no idea what suffering is.....Try being a Lions fan.

44 posted on 12/27/2015 1:30:54 PM PST by dfwgator
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To: dfwgator

On HOW TRUE!

I feel the pain!


45 posted on 12/27/2015 1:36:59 PM PST by prisoner6 (Unmutual and Disharmonious)
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To: dfwgator

On HOW TRUE!

I feel the pain!


46 posted on 12/27/2015 1:38:23 PM PST by prisoner6 (Unmutual and Disharmonious)
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To: prisoner6

Why change the subject?

Who’s advocating religion?

Could be worse.

You could be a Bills fan.


47 posted on 12/27/2015 1:43:40 PM PST by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: prisoner6

Nothing wrong with enjoying life, but if you believe that you are being given these blessings because 1) You deserve them or 2) Your faith is strong enough to receive them, and only those without faith or who are wicked in some way are impoverished or sick: then you are clearly in the wrong.


48 posted on 12/27/2015 1:48:32 PM PST by Greetings_Puny_Humans (I mostly come out at night... mostly.)
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To: metmom

Who’s advocating religion?

Not me but because I enjoy some programs that others here don’t it seems I needed a lecture.

Didn’t mean to change the subject.

Browns fans suffer too but then with me being from Pittsburgh, don’t care, LOL!


49 posted on 12/27/2015 1:53:33 PM PST by prisoner6 (Unmutual and Disharmonious)
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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans

I never said any of those things. I said I enjoy Dr Eugene Scott and sometimes Joel Olsteen.

For what it’s worth I like Olsteen’s close.

Lord Jesus, I repent of my sins.

Come into my life.

I make you my Lord and Savior.

Personally I don’t have a problem with that.


50 posted on 12/27/2015 2:01:18 PM PST by prisoner6 (Unmutual and Disharmonious)
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To: prisoner6
I never said any of those things.

That is the doctrine you defend by sticking up for the prosperity teachers. You're avoiding the issues.

51 posted on 12/27/2015 2:19:44 PM PST by Greetings_Puny_Humans (I mostly come out at night... mostly.)
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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans

I wasn’t sticking up for them, advocating them, I just mentioned that I enjoyed Dr Eugene Scott and sometimes Joel Olsteen.

I’m not avoiding anything. You and others are telling me I shouldn’t enjoy them.

Why? Because it’s wrong?

Then what is right? What YOU think I should like?

Sometimes I enjoy a good cigar.

Obviously your interpretation of God and Faith are different from mine . So be it. Live long and prosper, or not. Whatever you wish.


52 posted on 12/27/2015 2:33:48 PM PST by prisoner6 (Unmutual and Disharmonious)
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I wasn’t sticking up for them, advocating them, I just mentioned that I enjoyed Dr Eugene Scott and sometimes Joel Olsteen.

So you're just making a pointless, irrelevant comment, and therefore you do not mean to defend their doctrines?

But then you say:

Obviously your interpretation of God and Faith are different from mine .

So then you do defend their doctrine but are just being evasive so you won't have to deal with its rightness or wrongness. Okay, fine.

53 posted on 12/27/2015 3:54:03 PM PST by Greetings_Puny_Humans (I mostly come out at night... mostly.)
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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans

Pointless, irrelevant, OK then why do you get your shorts so knotted up? Hit a nerve?

I will reiterate that I like Olsteen’s close.

Lord Jesus, I repent of my sins.

Come into my heart.

I make you my Lord And Saviour.

Do you have a problem with that?

So OK.

If it makes you feel better.

As Bobby Bare once said.

But boy I’m gonna sit right here and sip this beer all night

And if there’s somethin’ that you gotta gain to prove by winnin’ some silly fight

Well okay, I quit, I lose, you’re the winner.


54 posted on 12/27/2015 4:38:13 PM PST by prisoner6 (Unmutual and Disharmonious)
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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans
I like Osteen and listen to him on XM radio when I'm driving around and usually watch on Sundays, too, Often a few times if his sermon has meaning for me, but sometimes I change the channel before it's over if not.

Osteen's material works great for helping me with my inner thoughts and judgments about my current situation, people, etc., my long term wants and goals, my general thoughts about and understanding of God (Father, Son and Holy Spirit) and helping me keep Him in my thoughts, praise and gratitude constantly.

His material has been very good for countering my inner darkness and the personal limitations that flow from it and reinforce it.

It's been the solid, practical advice and counsel I use for re-framing my perceptions of the moment and for keeping God first place and gratitude for Him and for all He has blessed me with (as opposed to complaining and begging) at the forefront of my thoughts, instead of sometimes in hind sight.

Osteen isn't the first place I go for Scripture, but he is my favorite for practical, daily application. This education is a process the same as any other education. You maybe far advanced or far behind so ymmv, but it works for me where I am right now.

He is my favorite because when I do as he suggests, I get the results he speaks of with his personal and Biblical examples.

I've been through a lot of big losses these last few years and Osteen's explanations, examples and things to do have helped me find a better perspective by developing a much closer relationship with, and understanding of, Jesus, His Father and Holy Spirit and how They work past, present and future.

I don't agree with every word he says, nor do I laugh at his opening joke every sermon, but I have gotten a lot of value, and the practical help when I needed it the most, from listening to his sermons and applying what he teaches.

You, too, might find something of value if you ever listen to one of his sermons.

Fwiw, the way you react to him is telling you a great deal about yourself, if you should ever be open to what it is saying, as well as to what Osteen is actually saying.

55 posted on 12/27/2015 5:04:57 PM PST by GBA (Here in the matrix, life is but a dream.)
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To: prisoner6

My next door neighbors, the Panthers, lost today which is not nearly as historic as winning would have been. Oh well...


56 posted on 12/27/2015 5:17:26 PM PST by GBA (Here in the matrix, life is but a dream.)
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To: dfwgator

Paul agrees with you!


57 posted on 12/27/2015 5:48:07 PM PST by ealgeone
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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans
I am quite familiar with New Age teachings, and The Secret is NOT a "New Age" book.
58 posted on 12/27/2015 6:19:18 PM PST by TBP (Obama lies, Granny dies.)
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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans

They are forms of material outpicturing of prosperity.


59 posted on 12/27/2015 6:20:25 PM PST by TBP (Obama lies, Granny dies.)
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To: metmom
You could be a Bills fan.

Boy

I

Love

Loosing

Super Bowls

..;-)

60 posted on 12/27/2015 8:34:39 PM PST by NoCmpromiz (/.John 14:6 is a non-pluralistic comment.)
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