Archbishop Justin Welby Hopes for Fixed Easter Date

BBC ^ | 1/15/16

[M Kehoe]

Sorry...

Justin Welby made the announcement after a meeting of primates...

Why wasn't I invited?

5.56mm

[Mrs. Don-o]

http://www.jonsorensen.net/2011/12/13/christmas-saturnalia-or-sol-invictus/

Even if the date of Christmas were selected in order to compete with Sol Invictus, t'wouldn't make no never-mind to me, since I don't think the date is that important. And competing with pagan holidays may be a good evangelization strategy, for all I know.

However, it looks like Sol Invictus was invented quite a few years after the Christians had settled on Dec. 25 for the birth of Christ. Namely, it was initiated by Emperor Aurelian in 274 A.D. --- to try to undercut the long-established Christian holiday! As for the pagan feast of Saturnalia, that's Dec, 17 and so apparently non-applicable.

So then, how did the Christians latch onto December 25? Evidently because of the sages' opinion that the greatest men's lives begin and on the same day. The idea is that Jesus died on March 25. Hence if Jesus were also conceived on March 25, he would have been born (conception + 9 months) on December 25.

The Church does celebrate the Feast of Christ's conception (that is, the Annunciation) on March 25.

As I say, the exact date don't make no never-mind to me, but I think the link above does lead to some good historic points.

[delchiante]

Quote-who knows when Jesus was born under the Jewish calendar?

We can..the Word says He was born when the woman was clothed with the sun and the moon was u der her feet (Revelation 12:1)

That ‘sign’ has moved to His 7th month (or 8th) nowadays but it still represents a ‘new Moon Day’ in Scripture.

The first day of His 6th month 2000 years ago.. A summer month (it landed on Rome’s pope gregory August 16th in 2015)

He was then circumcised on the 8th day of the 6th month, which according to the Heavenly Father’s calendar is the weekly Sabbath.
He was then Presented in the temple,40 days after His birth on the 10th day of the 7th month- Day of Atonement- Yom Kippur..

The Word really did become Flesh. But Rome prefers december 25(false), January 1st,circumcision 8 days after Dec.25(false) and 40th day presentation in the temple, February 2nd(False)

Like they have created another Jesus- accordimng to their catechism and their romam calendar.. And it puts Passover vs. good Friday in more Truth vs false light.and not just trivial. Passover means more than just a day on the calendar..

When one stops being conformed to the roman world, a completely different biblical Jesus comes to Light.
Like a transformation of one’s mind occurs.

One according to scripture and Creation.
Or according to Rome and its catechism and calendar..
All for His Glory!

[AnalogReigns]

The Anglican Communion is the 3rd largest Christian denomination in the world—after Roman Catholics and Eastern Orthodox. Anglicanism in general, and Archbishop Welby in particular, are VERY conciliar—that is they work through councils and broad agreement. I am certain that the Anglican Communion would never agree to changing how the date of Easter is ascertained unless at least Roman Catholicism went along—as well as representatives from other Christian denominations.

Welby would probably want the Eastern Orthodox on board too....and since this is an ancient disagreement, it has little chance of being mended any time soon.

[AnalogReigns]

The reason the undivided Church (West and East) divided from Judaism on marking Easter at Passover, is the early Christian Roman Emperors wanted to make sure Christianity and Judaism were separated—and Christianity didn’t follow the Jews....

So this is a complicated issue. Just as how, since then, the Western Churches have a different calendar—and different dates for Christmas and Easter—from the Eastern Orthodox Churches.

[Cicero]

I hope you’re right. I was born and bred an Anglican, and converted to the Catholic Church because I had doubts that Anglicans could be the One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church going back to the time of the Apostles.

But I got a great deal from the High Anglican Church with which I mostly grew up. It pains me to see it going astray—as it pains me to see the problems in the Catholic Church.

I think Archbishop Welby is a questionable head of the Church, thanks to the current PM, but I agree with you that he will hesitate to move ahead with what he would like to do if it offends people he can’t afford to lose—such as the African Anglicans.

[Up Yours Marxists]

Interesting information. But based on my understanding Jesus was born exactly 6 months after John the Baptist was.

So, based on this and the fact we know of John’s father’s responsibilities within the Hebrew order, why don’t you, personally, believe December 25 is not plausible?

[Up Yours Marxists]

Based on this, why exactly would Jesus not be born in December?

I find this curious.

[Mrs. Don-o]

"...why don’t you, personally, believe December 25 is not plausible?"

I'm not sure I understand your question.

Plausible? There are "plausible" arguments and counter-arguments for all of the various proposed dates. I, personally, think that knowing the exact date of His birth is just not that important. I don't see how it makes a difference.

I love the Lord and believe all that is written of him in the Gospels. And I'd be just as happy if He were born on Cinco de Mayo or the the Fourth of July.

[newberger]

I am startled that no one has mentioned that the date of Easter was resolved (from among several traditions) by the Council of Nicea in AD 325.

To change this would for Catholics, Orthodox, and most Anglicans (they accept the first four councils) would take another (really) ecumenical council which is just NOT in the cards.

Don’t hold your breath.

[Some Fat Guy in L.A.]

Justin Welby made the announcement after a meeting of primates

I should hope so!

[Organic Panic]

I didnt know that. Thanks for the info.

[delchiante]

Because I observe the sky.. September 26 in 2014 (the true Rosh Hashanah-1st day of 7th month) had the sign of the woman clothed with the sun and the moon under her feet. A literal event in the sky.

In 2015, it occurred on October 14. That represented the 1st day of 8th month). An extra month this year on the luni-solar set up.

It will be back at Rosh Hashanah in 2016.

The New Testament is written up there in His Sky while Israel observes His Feasts today. An awesome story! And 2000 years ago, it was different signs at His Feasts-

Today- Spring- sun is traveling through ‘2 Fish’
Today- Fall- sun is traveling through ‘woman’.

2000 years ago:
Spring- sun was traveling through ‘Ram’
Fall- sun was traveling through ‘scale/balance’

Old testament- Adult Lamb/scale - Atonement
New testament- Fishers of men/Bride Church

Set at His Feasts.

It makes the ‘woman’ sign of Revelation set at the 6th month 2000 years ago.

I used His Word and His Creation.
But I admit to being different. I call today His 5th Day, not Saturn’s Day- the day commemorating Him creating the creatures in the waters and the birds of the Heavens..
Judaism and some Christians think today is Holy and it is just a work day on His Calendar.
Tomorrow will be another work day, according to the Father’s calendar.

I simply follow His Calendar and being nonconformed (something He led me out of) to the world system, can lead to amazing Truth..

Everything Islam,Judaism and Christianity teaches starts with a false premise- the false premise is Rome has been entrusted with the biblical Son or the biblical calendar.

Neither is true..
They have counterfeits of both..

[Mrs. Don-o]

"Because I observe the sky.. September 26 in 2014 (the true Rosh Hashanah-1st day of 7th month) had the sign of the woman clothed with the sun and the moon under her feet. A literal event in the sky."

Do you have a photo or video? I'd be interested in seeing her.

[Lonesome in Massachussets]

This code is only valid for years in the Gregorian calendar.

Java - Anonymous (also called Meeus/Jones/Butcher) Gregorian algorithm

public static Date getEasterDate(int year) {
int a = year % 19;
int b = year / 100;
int c = year % 100;
int d = b / 4;
int e = b % 4;
int f = (b + 8) / 25;
int g = (b - f + 1) / 3;
int h = (19 * a + b - d - g + 15) % 30;
int i = c / 4;
int k = c % 4;
int l = (32 + 2 * e + 2 * i - h - k) % 7;
int m = (a + 11 * h + 22 * l) / 451;
int n = (h + l - 7 * m + 114) / 31;
int p = (h + l - 7 * m + 114) % 31;
Calendar calendar = GregorianCalendar.getInstance();
calendar.clear();
calendar.set(year, n - 1, p + 1);
return calendar.getTime();

[Lee N. Field]

Mr Welby said he hoped the change would happen "in between five and 10 years time".

"I would love to see it before I retired", he said, although he warned the first attempt to make such a change was in the 10th Century.

A lot longer than that. He ain't going to fix a conflict that's been going on since the early church times.

Best leave well enough alone, rather than compound the confusion.

[kingcanuteus]

“another fixed day”

It is a fixed day(of the week), but not a fixed date.

[delchiante]

I don’t.

It is the constellation ‘virgo’. And the sun will travel close to the middle of those stars. And while the sun is close to the middle of those stars the moon will then travel down to ‘her’ feet.. It represents the end of a day. A specific day.

I utilize a free downloadable computer App to show the movement of the sun,moon,stars and planets,Mrs Don-O..and just watch. I was curious what was going on up there during the time Judaism assembled, and it just popped right out. I stumbled into it.. You may be able to find an application that lets you plug in a ‘date’ instead of just the date today..

You can find free downloads. It is really cool! Planetariums or observatories may be able to help too..

But take note, we aren’t talking satanic astrology. We are talking biblical astronomy. Things the wise men would be studying- science and the movement of His Creation. Which is what science is- a study of His Creation..
All that study without the Light of Truth is helpful, but not fullness.
Studying His Creation ,with the fullness of Truth, declares He is and is a rewarder of those who seek Him.

People may deny the Son or the New Testament, but His Heavens declare His Righteousness!
And He does it during His Feasts..

And those who have the Son have the Father. And we can help those who don’t..

The Bible ‘themes’ we know were written in His Sky before it was placed on parchment. And the signs, coming next at those same times in the year, will confirm even more of scripture..
He is Sovereign and Worthy!

All for His Glory!

[Mrs. Don-o]

Astronomy always interests me.

Did the Hebrews designate and name the same constellations that the Latins and Greeks did? Did they accept the names and positions of the 48 constellations later cataloged by Ptolemy? Did they have one they called by the name "Virgo"?

I ask because I understand that the Babylonians called this same constellation "The Furrow", representing not a woman but an ear of grain.

I know nothing about such things but I would have supposed the Hebrews would have used the ancient Babylonian system, not the Greek-Roman one which came much later. Although the tribes of Judah were in formal captivity in Babylon for less than 100 years, Babylon remained the seat of Jewish intellectual life for centuries and well into A.D. times.

[delchiante]

Quote-Did the Hebrews designate and name the same constellations that the Latins and Greeks did?

No clue Mrs. Don-O.

But using the shapes/names the world uses today:

When Israel is assembled for Passover, they do it with the 2 Fish, not the Ram/Lamb, like they did before..

‘I will make you Fishers of men’ Mathew 4:19

And we are moving to a time when the ‘water bearer’(Aquarius) will be the Passover/Spring Feasts.

‘I will pour out my Spirit on all Flesh’
Joel 2:28..

And when that happens, the Fall Feasts will be held under the ‘Lion’:

“Do not weep! See, the Lion of the tribe of Judah, the Root of David, has triumphed. He is able to open the scroll and its seven seals.” Revelation 5:5

We await the Lion of the Tribe of Judah’s return..

Scientfically, we are a few wobbles of the earth or a big earthquake away from some new signs in those places(His Spring and Fall Feasts) in His Sky..

We know the end details earthquakes..

The shakings can also be figurative...

What would this stuff do to something like Christmas shopping? Or the holiday season if people studied this stuff?

Would the world economy crumble if billions decided that what happens at the end of the civic year are false teachings that do nothing but rob Him of glory and feed an economic babylonian beast?

Blinding millions of unbelievers who are expecting a little Torah with the Messiah of Israel..

It shook my world for sure...