(sorry, I’m an OTR driver. So replies can take days.)
**Genesis 1:26**
I believe that to be God the Father speaking to the firstborn, “the beginning of the creation of God” (Rev. 3:14)
In John 14:2, the Son tells who owns the house in heaven: “in my Father’s house are many mansions..”.
The Son goes to prepare a place alright. But it is the Father that powers him to do so. By the way, it is the Father is who made him Lord and Christ. (Acts 2:32-36)
**By not believing the whole of Scripture, that Jesus, the Son of God, is also omniscient, omnipresent, and omnipotent.**
It is the Father that makes the ‘mind of Christ’ omnipresent. The ‘Comforter’ could not come until the Son physically left this earth. It is the Father that sends the ‘Comforter’.
**You only quote the Scriptures that agree with your world view, and you totally ignore the rest of Scripture.**
Here’s a list of words and references, showing who was the original provider of knowledge (and all other things divine as well):
gave: 3:16, 10:29, 12:49, 14:31
gavest: 17:4,6,8,12,22, 18:9
give: 14:6, 15:16, 16:23
given: 3:35, 5:26,27,36, 6:39,65, 7:39, 13:3, 17:2(2),7,8,9,11,24(2)
received: 10:18
send: 14:26, 15:26, 17:8, Acts 3:20
sent: 3:17,34, 4:34, 5:23,24,30,36,37,38, 6:29,38,39,40,44,57, 7:16,18,28,29,33, 8:16,18,26,29,42, 9:4, 10:36, 11:42, 12:44,45,49, 13:16,20, 14:24, 15:21, 16:5, 17:3,18,21,23,25, 20:21
will (noun): 4:34, 5:30(2), 6:38,39,40, 7:17
will (verb): 5:20, 11:22, 12:26, 14:26, 15:26, 16:23
word and words (actually there are others that should be included, but the Son made it clear in the following ones whose ‘words’ they were): 3:34, 14:24, 17:6,8,14,17
work and works: 4:34, 5:20,36(2), 9:4, 10:25,37,38, 14:10, 17:4
doctrine: 7:16,17: “My doctrine is NOT mine, but HIS that SENT me. If any man will do HIS will, he shall know of the doctrine, whether it be of GOD, or whether I speak of myself.”
That’s over 100 references (from the book of John alone) showing that the Son’s source of ALL things divine, ALL power, ALL wisdom, etc., is from God the Father. There are plenty more alluding to the same.
BUT......here is a question for you: With your separate and distinct persons of God theology; can you quote a scripture that shows the FATHER receiving anything divine from the Son?
**So is the Savior God, or is the Saviour a created being, or perhaps you don’t believe Jesus Christ is the Saviour at all.**
How could Jesus Christ overcome the world, if the Father had not been in him, giving the power to do all things? That is how the Son of God is Saviour of the world.
When you place the Father (Spirit) in the Son (divinely created flesh, with a divinely created soul), you have defined Jesus Christ in the simplest of terms.
I think the biggest problem Trinitarians have, is that they just don’t believe that the Father is indeed a Spirit, and is indeed omnipresent, omnipotent, and omniscient. But, Jesus Christ said that to be the case, in his many words found in the book of John.
After his resurrection, he told Mary Magdalene, “Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and to your Father; and to my God, and to your God.” Jn 20:17
“touch me not”?? Why? Then upon his return (the same day?) he shows his hands and side to the disciples, minus Thomas. And then, eight days later he encourages Thomas to touch him. The realm of the Father is truly a spiritual realm we just can’t comprehend.
(Sounds ridiculous when I say it, doesn't it?)
But, I will answer your last question first, and then move on to the rest of your New World Order View.(I call it that because it is not Biblical Christianity, that's been handed down to us by the Apostles)
After his resurrection, he told Mary Magdalene, “Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and to your Father; and to my God, and to your God.” Jn 20:17
He did what He said, and later on that same day, He returns from ascending unto the Father and;
he shows his hands and side to the disciples, minus Thomas. And then, eight days later he encourages Thomas to touch him.
The realm of the Father is truly a spiritual realm we just can’t comprehend.
Exactly, which is why you are having such a hard time accepting the truth of who Jesus is. After His resurrection, Christ was in His glorified body, how long do you think it would have taken Him to ascend into heaven and come back? Days? Hours? Minutes? Seconds?
Please remember, God is not the author of confusion,
1 Corinthians 14:33
For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.
And God did not want us to be confused about who He is, so the Bible is written in such a way, that any person, with or without formal Bible training can understand it.
2 Corinthians 3:12
Seeing then that we have such hope, we use great plainness of speech:
2 Peter 1:20
Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.
(And believe me, your interpretation is extremely esoteric.)
When we desire to understand who God is, and who Jesus Christ is, we must take into account all of Scripture. Why? Because Christ Himself, before He came to earth and took on human flesh, said this:
Hebrews 10:7
Then said I, Lo, I come (in the volume of the book it is written of me,) to do thy will, O God.
The English definition of 'Volume' is - a collection of written or printed sheets bound together and constituting a book. So in other words, we must consider every verse in the Bible, before forming our beliefs about who God is.
According to Scripture, Jesus Christ has all the divine attributes that God the Father has, including being eternal God.
(Isaiah 9:6)
"For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace."
John 10:30
I and my Father are one.
(Micah 5:2)
"But thou, Beth–lehem Ephratah, though thou be little among the thousands of Judah, yet out of thee shall he come forth unto me that is to be ruler in Israel; whose goings forth have been from of old, from everlasting."
(John 8:58)
"Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am."
Jesus Christ is immutable:
(Psalms 102:25-27)
"Of old hast thou laid the foundation of the earth: and the heavens are the work of thy hands. {26} They shall perish, but thou shalt endure: yea, all of them shall wax old like a garment; as a vesture shalt thou change them, and they shall be changed: {27} But thou art the same, and thy years shall have no end."
(Hebrews 1:10-12) "And, Thou, Lord, in the beginning hast laid the foundation of the earth; and the heavens are the works of thine hands: {11} They shall perish; but thou remainest; and they all shall wax old as doth a garment; {12} And as a vesture shalt thou fold them up, and they shall be changed: but thou art the same, and thy years shall not fail."
(Hebrews 13:8)
"Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever."
Jesus Christ is omnipotent:
(Philippians 3:21)
"Who shall change our vile body, that it may be fashioned like unto his glorious body, according to the working whereby he is able even to subdue all things unto himself."
“the beginning of the creation of God”
In order to get the complete meaning of a particular verse, we must let the Bible interpret itself.
Isaiah 34:16
Seek ye out of the book of the LORD, and read: no one of these shall fail, none shall want her mate: for my mouth it hath commanded, and his spirit it hath gathered them.
Let us mate that verse from Revelation,"the beginning of the creation of God" with
John 1:1
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
And with:
Colossians 1:16
For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:
Now, we have a true understand of what is meant by that verse in Revelation. That Jesus Christ was there in the beginning, and that all things were created by him and for him.
Now, let's include this verse to get even more understanding.
John 17:5
And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.
Philippians 2:6
Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:
With these verses as our guide, along with the myriad of other verses you have been shown, the plain teaching of Scripture is evident, and that is that the Godhead, consist of three distinct and separate personages, all equally, omniscient, omnipresent, and omnipotent.
That’s over 100 references (from the book of John alone) showing that the Son’s source of ALL things divine, ALL power, ALL wisdom, etc., is from God the Father. There are plenty more alluding to the same.
Yes, Jesus humbled Himself, when he took on human flesh, and even though He had every legal right to His divinity, He did not exercise His divine rights, but submitted Himself entirely to the Father, and took everything that the Father gave Him. It was prophesied to happen that way, not because God needed a sock-puppet to fill up with divinity, as your doctrine suggests.
(Philippians 2:7-8)
"But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men: {8} And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.
Oh, by the way,
with a divinely created soul
That's flat out heresy.