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To: WhatNot

You say this.....

**You must be using your New World Order Bible again, or adding your own words to it, the preserved Word of God says**

...a while after saying this....

**..first Jesus is not merely God. Unlike the Father, He is truly God, and truly man.(Son of God & Son of man) He is the God-man. As the God-man, He is perfect man, who worships, honors, obeys, and prays to God the Father. In Fact, the incarnate Son is dependent on the Father.**

The “God-man”,....another Trinitarian term never used by the Lord, or his apostles.

The Son is truly man, but it’s the Father in him (as he said) that gives him all power in heaven and in earth. AND not only while he made his incarnate appearance, but after as well:

“...also shall the Son of man be ashamed, when he cometh in the glory of his Father with the holy angels.” Mark 8:38

And I give you again my response to your scripture quote in the previous post:

**John 17:5 And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.**

“..glorify thou me with thine own self..”.

The Son is telling you right there that it is the Father’s glory that the Son dwells in.

Which answers the following reference you have now given twice, IIRC:

**(Philippians 2:6-8) “Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God: {7} But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men: {8} And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.”**

Then you get part of your interpretation of Isaiah 9:6 right....

**this verse describes the Oneness nature of the Godhead.**

...and part of it wrong...

**Christ has always had ALL the same attributes, He is the God-man**

...because,..the verse says ‘shall be’ (not once, but twice), showing positions and titles to be given in future tense.

I brought up the scriptural teaching of water baptism, and how the apostles knew the ‘name’ (singular) that the Lord was referring to, in Matt. 28:19. To which you replied:

**You must be using your New World Order Bible again, or adding your own words to it, the preserved Word of God says(Matthew 28:19) Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:”**

In Acts you find that they baptized in the name of Jesus. Trinitarians apparently feel they have a better understanding than the apostles in the matter, altering the teaching of ‘the whole of scripture’. The following comment you made is a classic example...

**I believe it, because the whole of Scripture teaches it, God is one,**

..Right on that, then...wrong on this:

**consisting of three separate and distinct personages.**

..two of which originate from the Father.

**I don’t disagree, why then don’t you believe Paul?**

Then why don’t Trinitarians baptize as Paul did? The DETAILED accounts show that Paul baptized at least 4 souls in Corinth (1Cor. 1:14,16) in the name of Jesus (verse 13), and likewise about 12 in Ephesus (Acts 19:5). Other detailed accounts in Acts show Peter and Philip baptized in the name of Jesus as well.

Then you give this private interpretation....

**The Father and the Son have different roles within the economy of the Godhead. There is equality in nature, but subordination in their personal roles. For instance, the Son submits to the Father, but not vice versa. Therefore, in the above verses, we see that Jesus affirms His relational subordinate role, but He never denies His full deity in any of those verses, and that is where your doctrine falls apart.**

....while the scriptures prove that the Son of God dwells in God the Father’s glory, and that God the Father’s glory dwells in the Son of God. The Father is the original source of all things divine. The Son is sent from the Father; likewise the Holy Ghost. God the Father has a ‘utility belt’ of unimaginable power.


118 posted on 05/29/2016 9:32:58 AM PDT by Zuriel (Acts 2:38,39....Do you believe it?)
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To: Zuriel

Tisk tisk, I touched yours, now you touch mine. Explain to me how by any stretch of your imagination, your doctrine fits into this verse.

Isaiah 43:10-11)
“Ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me. {11} I, even I, am the LORD; and beside me there is no saviour.”


120 posted on 05/29/2016 12:24:23 PM PDT by WhatNot (The Gospel doesn't promise the American dream, it promises Eternal life in the Kingdom of God.)
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