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The Church's Constant Teaching on our dealings with Non-Catholics
Catholic Apologetics ^ | Catholic Apologetics

Posted on 11/03/2016 9:39:17 AM PDT by ebb tide

Since it is recognized that it is extremely rare to find men entirely devoid of the religious sense, some people entertain the hope that nations [...] in spite of their differing religious viewpoints, may be brought to unite as brothers in the profession of certain doctrines as a common foundation of the spiritual life. [...] Certainly efforts such as these cannot receive the approbation of Catholics, for they rest on that false opinion which holds any opinion whatever to be more-or-less praiseworthy and good. [...] Those who hold this opinion are not only in gross error, they even debase the concept of true religion and, little by little, lapse into Naturalism and Atheism. [...] He who refuses to have the Church for his Mother will not have God for his Father. When St. Augustine speaks of man's last end, he hastens to add this counsel to any one who wishes to reach that end: "Their attempt will be useless if they do not submit to the Catholic Church, and humbly obey her, for she alone has been divinely instituted to give light and strength to souls, without which they will necessarily stray from the right path." Would to God they had listened to the voice of Augustine in the past! And would to God that everyone might hear him today who rends the seamless robe of Christ. and casts himself miserably outside the path of salvation. Pope Pius XI

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To: daniel1212

Let’s fight the secularists instead of each other. I am sure we would find lots more agreement than disagreement. Yes, I am following Christ and I really don’t care if you think I am going to hell.
FYI- Pence is also going to hell according to you. Do you think he is a heretic?


101 posted on 11/03/2016 5:08:26 PM PDT by dixie1202
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To: cloudmountain
I remember that we could scroll from right to left, as well. Ah, those were the days.

That's too bad that you don't remember your Catholic faith either.

102 posted on 11/03/2016 5:10:22 PM PDT by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome.)
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To: ebb tide
hat's too bad that you don't remember your Catholic faith either.

I don't have to "remember" my faith; I LIVE it. Well, I try to every day--daily rosary and Mass.

The hardest part of trying to be a good Catholic is dealing with drivers who seem to be bent on killing themselves and every one around them.

One day I was driving to Mass and a police car was behind me. I stop at stop signs ANYWAY as a matter of habit.
At one stop sign a guy on my right (Asian I think) saw me, winked, gave me a big toothy smile and RAN the stop sign, turning left right across me and past the police car in back of me.
HAHAHA! That police car did the FASTEST, SHARPEST u-eee I had ever seen. He pulled the guy over!
I DIDN'T stay to watch the ticket giving but GAVE THANKS to our good Lord for letting me see that! I smiled all during Mass and I smile whenever I'm at that intersection.

YOU are merely entertainment for me. You do make me chuckle with some of your remarks. I don't know you from Adam and I could care less but mild entertainment on this wonderful site is always welcome.

103 posted on 11/03/2016 5:27:00 PM PDT by cloudmountain
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To: dixie1202
Let’s fight the secularists instead of each other.

Well, you have a RC here who apparently wants a RC state that would outlaw all those who are not. You think this is pro-America?

I am sure we would find lots more agreement than disagreement.

It is not me who is posting provocative articles on a one true elitist church, but Catholics.

FYI- Pence is also going to hell according to you. Do you think he is a heretic?

Why is Pence going to hell? Or do you think i am Catholic?

104 posted on 11/03/2016 5:27:45 PM PDT by daniel1212 ( Turn to the Lord Jesus as a damned and destitute sinner+ trust Him to save you, then follow Him!)
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To: dixie1202
Let’s fight the secularists instead of each other. I am sure we would find lots more agreement than disagreement. Yes, I am following Christ and I really don’t care if you think I am going to hell. FYI- Pence is also going to hell according to you. Do you think he is a heretic?

EXCELLENT advice, dixie1202.
It's odd how some folks say "so-and-so" is going to hell. How DO they know? It's a terrible thing to say, anyway.

As Christians aren't we supposed to LOVE the sinner and HATE the sin anyway?

105 posted on 11/03/2016 5:29:27 PM PDT by cloudmountain
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To: dixie1202
. Yes, I am following Christ and I really don’t care if you think I am going to hell.

Sorry, i see you are not a regular here and missed my sarcasm about being the "worse kind of heretic" - which believing Scripture can leave you in the erroneous eyes of Rome. Thank God for His enduring word.

106 posted on 11/03/2016 5:33:05 PM PDT by daniel1212 ( Turn to the Lord Jesus as a damned and destitute sinner+ trust Him to save you, then follow Him!)
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To: dixie1202; daniel1212

I think you’ve misunderstood daniel1212. I believe he’s agreeing with you.


107 posted on 11/03/2016 5:37:04 PM PDT by ealgeone
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To: daniel1212

Costa Rica was earlier given as an example of a Catholic state. Costa Rica has protestant churches, mosques and synagouges. No religions, however false they may be, have been outlawed.

Name me a country that forbids the practice of one’s religion, aside from the Islamic occupied ones.


108 posted on 11/03/2016 5:55:31 PM PDT by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome.)
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To: cloudmountain
I don't have to "remember" my faith; I LIVE it.

Yeah, right. So do Nancy Pelosi, Tim Kaine and Joe Biden.

109 posted on 11/03/2016 6:03:07 PM PDT by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome.)
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To: cloudmountain

So you are more focused on a guy running a stop sign and getting caught than a pope who has dissed the First, Sixth, Eighth, Ninth and Tenth Commandments?

I think I see your priorities.


110 posted on 11/03/2016 6:21:27 PM PDT by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome.)
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To: cloudmountain
The hardest part of trying to be a good Catholic is dealing with drivers who seem to be bent on killing themselves and every one around them.

The Holy Martyrs must be turning over in their graves.

111 posted on 11/03/2016 6:24:59 PM PDT by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome.)
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To: daniel1212

It’s all good. I did not realize you were being sarcastic. Blessings to you and yours. Go Trump.


112 posted on 11/03/2016 6:34:17 PM PDT by dixie1202
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To: cloudmountain
Outside the Church There Is No Salvation

The Popes on Extra Ecclesiam Nulla Salus

113 posted on 11/03/2016 6:37:42 PM PDT by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome.)
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To: ebb tide
Costa Rica was earlier given as an example of a Catholic state. Costa Rica has protestant churches, mosques and synagouges. No religions, however false they may be, have been outlawed. But which simply does not correspond to the question in the context of certain historical RC teaching, which your profess to be a defender of. Which was not simply a wish that all the religion of the land be Catholic, but a requirement. But there would be no confusion if you simply straightforwardly had answered the questions.
114 posted on 11/03/2016 6:39:17 PM PDT by daniel1212 ( Turn to the Lord Jesus as a damned and destitute sinner+ trust Him to save you, then follow Him!)
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To: ebb tide
Which catechism are you talking about? It’s certainly not the Catechism of Trent.

There are certainly many catechisms, of varying weight. Before V1, RCs could deny ensured papal infallibility, and thus

the 1860 edition of Keenan's Catechism in use in Catholic schools in England, Scotland and Wales attributed to Protestants the idea that Catholics were obliged to believe in papal infallibility:

(Q.) Must not Catholics believe the Pope himself to be infallible?

(A.) This is a Protestant invention: it is no article of the Catholic faith: no decision of his can oblige under pain of heresy, unless it be received and enforced by the teaching body, that is by the bishops of the Church. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Papal_infallibility#Denial_by_Catholics)

But then you have catechism you deny, concerning which it is said:

“The Catechism is part of the Church’s official teaching in the sense that it was suggested by a Synod of Bishops, requested by the Holy Father, prepared and revised by bishops and promulgated by the Holy Father as part of his ordinary Magisterium. Pope John Paul II ordered the publication of the Catechism by the Apostolic Constitution, Fidei Depositum, on October 11, 1992. An apostolic constitution is a most solemn form by which popes promulgate official Church documents. The new Code of Canon Law, for example, was promulgated by the Apostolic Constitution, Sacrae Disciplinae Leges.

In Fidei Depositum, Pope John Paul II said, “The Catechism of the Catholic Church, which I approved June 25th last and the publication of which I today order by virtue of my Apostolic Authority, is a statement of the Church’s faith and of catholic doctrine, attested to or illumined by Sacred Scripture, the Apostolic Tradition, and the Church’s Magisterium. - http://www.usccb.org/beliefs-and-teachings/what-we-believe/catechism/catechism-of-the-catholic-church/frequently-asked-questions-about-the-catechism-of-the-catholic-church.cfm

Thus it is to be at least as authorative for RCs as the Baltimore Catechism, and at least as contrary, in part, to Scripture.

115 posted on 11/03/2016 6:39:28 PM PDT by daniel1212 ( Turn to the Lord Jesus as a damned and destitute sinner+ trust Him to save you, then follow Him!)
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To: dixie1202
It’s all good. I did not realize you were being sarcastic.

Sorry; i should have added the /sarc tag.

May America bless God!

116 posted on 11/03/2016 6:43:40 PM PDT by daniel1212 ( Turn to the Lord Jesus as a damned and destitute sinner+ trust Him to save you, then follow Him!)
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To: daniel1212

As I said earlier, I reject post VCII catechisms.


117 posted on 11/03/2016 6:49:04 PM PDT by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome.)
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To: ebb tide
Don't worry, when Jesus comes back and establishes His kingdom, all the world WILL worship the One, True God because at the name of Jesus every knee shall bow and every tongue will confess that Jesus Christ is Lord to the glory of God the Father. This will happen because God will change the hearts of men and will write His laws upon those hearts.

Where anyone got the idea that this could be accomplished by the sword of men, I can only guess (probably the guys who were in charge of the swords).

118 posted on 11/03/2016 6:52:11 PM PDT by boatbums (God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to Him.)
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To: boatbums
Don't worry,...

Everyone should worry about his salvation.

119 posted on 11/03/2016 7:00:15 PM PDT by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome.)
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To: daniel1212

I have no problem with Keenan’s catechism. I have no problems with any Catholic catechism that was issued prior to 1962.


120 posted on 11/03/2016 7:13:55 PM PDT by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome.)
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