Posted on 11/03/2016 9:39:17 AM PDT by ebb tide
Since it is recognized that it is extremely rare to find men entirely devoid of the religious sense, some people entertain the hope that nations [...] in spite of their differing religious viewpoints, may be brought to unite as brothers in the profession of certain doctrines as a common foundation of the spiritual life. [...] Certainly efforts such as these cannot receive the approbation of Catholics, for they rest on that false opinion which holds any opinion whatever to be more-or-less praiseworthy and good. [...] Those who hold this opinion are not only in gross error, they even debase the concept of true religion and, little by little, lapse into Naturalism and Atheism. [...] He who refuses to have the Church for his Mother will not have God for his Father. When St. Augustine speaks of man's last end, he hastens to add this counsel to any one who wishes to reach that end: "Their attempt will be useless if they do not submit to the Catholic Church, and humbly obey her, for she alone has been divinely instituted to give light and strength to souls, without which they will necessarily stray from the right path." Would to God they had listened to the voice of Augustine in the past! And would to God that everyone might hear him today who rends the seamless robe of Christ. and casts himself miserably outside the path of salvation. Pope Pius XI
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“At worst...” not “At worse...”.
I been maintainig a list of how many times you throw out the juvenile, "I'm right, you're wrong".
I think you'll be suprised at how long it is already.
It was a lie. Slander is never an accidental error.
I’m reaching out to you.
What’s stopping you?
So the non-Catholic catechism that teaches Vatican II’s False Religion of Ecumenism.
How do you explain the contradictions between the saints and popes quoted in the OP and the JPII catechism?
So I see you are repeating your sin of slander and bearing false witness.
Aside from the false teachings of catholicism?
Just to "disambiguate."
“So I see you are repeating your sin of slander and bearing false witness.”
No false witness.
“It was a lie.”
No it was not.
“Slander is never an accidental error.”
There was no slander.
“I been maintainig a list of how many times you throw out the juvenile, “I’m right, you’re wrong”.”
What you’ve been doing then would be the very definition of juvenile.
“I think you’ll be suprised at how long it is already.”
I think you’ll be surprise when I’m not.
Isn’t the objective obvious? Let’s look at the pattern.
Someone comes here (where when Jack Chick dies there are plenty of comments praising that cheap grace, anti-Catholic, liar as a fine man who went straight to heaven not to mention the regular group of rabidly anti-Catholic posters who Hillary's crowd would be proud of) and that someone posts every real or imagined heretical statement from the Pope, the Papal office, any Cardinal, any Bishop, any Priest, any Nun, any Deacon, any religious of any kind, and even any tattoo artist or busboy who claims to be Catholic, with never a positive word about Catholicism.
This someone says they do this not to undermine the faith of Catholics, slander Catholicism, and make sure the anti-Catholic crew is always well supplied with ammo, but because they’re a "real" Catholic.
Sure.
The only sort of person who would constantly attack the Church and aid others who do the same but even dream they were helping to defend anything with their attacks is the sort of idiot savant who is duct taped to a chair in front of a computer every morning so they don't wonder around drooling, scratching their private parts, and screaming at the other patients in the asylum.
IOW, an idiot savant not much different from the type of person who would constantly attack the Church and pretend to be upholding the "true" Catholic faith by making those attacks.
The longer you profess your lies, the longer your time in purgatory will be.
Live with it.
“The longer you profess your lies, the longer your time in purgatory will be.”
I made no lie. You seem so desperate. As always.
“Live with it.”
I don’t have to live with something that never happened. Enjoy.
Well, these questions were asked him but not actually debated:
Do you believe that the Catholic religion should be the only religion of the State, to the exclusion of all others whatsoever?
And under which, secular authorities, whatever office they may hold, shall be admonished and induced and if necessary compelled by ecclesiastical censure to exterminate in the territories subject to their jurisdiction all heretics pointed out by the Church, and which decree spiritual and temporal much affirm? And that those who will not carry this out should be excommunicated and their subject absolved from their allegiance and may offer the territory to be ruled lay Catholics?
And that it is insanity to believe that liberty of conscience and of worship are the inalienable rights of every citizen? Those who have been detected, even by slight proof, to have deviated from the doctrine of the Catholic religion ought to fall under the classification of heretic and under the sentences operating against heretics.
Also, that it is absolutely necessary for the salvation of every human creature to be subject to the Roman Pontiff; to accept, recognize and obey the authority and supremacy of Peter and his legitimate successors and remain in the bosom and unity of the Catholic Church?
Or are you more moderate? How and why?
Actually, evangelicals are yet the most unified in conservative beliefs, while essentially like Protestants whom you condemn for rejecting certain Catholic teachings in the light of what ancient (Scripture) writings say, you reject certain teachings of Rome based upon your judgment that it is contrary to what ancient (Catholic) writings say, even though one of the popes they do judge as being valid, Pope Leo XIII, reproved such. And above all, despite what Scripture says, which reproves both traditional Catholics and modern ones.
Not only, but you are the worse kind of heretic! But the church began with itinerant preachers that were rejected by the historical magisterium, but who established their Truth claims upon Scriptural substantiation in word and in power, versus the novel and unScriptural premise of ensured perpetual magisterial infallibility as per Rome (and basically in primary cults).
But Rome did not stop there. No wonder you think V2 was not consistent with the past, but who are you to presume to judge what the church meant?
- VEHEMENTER NOS, an Encyclical of Pope Pius X promulgated on February 11, 1906. Epistola Tua: To the shepherds alone was given all power to teach, to judge, to direct; on the faithful was imposed the duty of following their teaching, of submitting with docility to their judgment, and of allowing themselves to be governed, corrected, and guided by them in the way of salvation. Thus, it is an absolute necessity for the simple faithful to submit in mind and heart to their own pastors, and for the latter to submit with them to the Head and Supreme Pastor...
Similarly, it is to give proof of a submission which is far from sincere to set up some kind of opposition between one Pontiff and another. Those who, faced with two differing directives, reject the present one to hold to the past, are not giving proof of obedience to the authority which has the right and duty to guide them; and in some ways they resemble those who, on receiving a condemnation, would wish to appeal to a future council, or to a Pope who is better informed. On this point what must be remembered is that in the government of the Church, except for the essential duties imposed on all Pontiffs by their apostolic office, each of them can adopt the attitude which he judges best according to times and circumstances. Of this he alone is the judge. It is true that for this he has not only special lights, but still more the knowledge of the needs and conditions of the whole of Christendom, for which, it is fitting, his apostolic care must provide. - Epistola Tua (1885), Apostolic Letter of Pope Leo XIII; http://www.ewtn.com/vexperts/showmessage_print.asp?number=403215&language=en
"It follows that the Church is essentially an unequal society, that is, a society comprising two categories of per sons, the Pastors and the flock...the one duty of the multitude is to allow themselves to be led, and, like a docile flock, to follow the Pastors."
And what was said in response to Protestant challenges based on past teaching applies also to those Catholics who presume to judge the church based upon what they see as contrary to her past:
.It was the charge of the Reformers that the Catholic doctrines were not primitive, and their pretension was to revert to antiquity. But the appeal to antiquity is both a treason and a heresy. It is a treason because it rejects the Divine voice of the Church at this hour, and a heresy because it denies that voice to be Divine....Historical evidence and biblical criticism are human after all, and amount to no more than opinion, probability, human judgment, human tradition. ..Primitive and modern are predicates, not of truth, but of ourselves...The only Divine evidence to us of what was primitive is the witness and voice of the Church at this hour. (Dr. Henry Edward Cardinal Manning, Archbishop of Westminster, The Temporal Mission of the Holy Ghost: Or Reason and Revelation)
(Bold emphasis added throughout.) The blind leading the blind nonetheless.
A thought?!?! From YOU?!
That must hurt. Poor ebbytideybaby.
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Boy, I sure miss the scroll feature. I would have had the "Snerf" scrolling across the page. I remember that we could scroll from right to left, as well. Ah, those were the days.
Note that in the above post, “VEHEMENTER NOS, an Encyclical of Pope Pius X promulgated on February 11, 1906” was orphaned in arranging, and belongs before the 3rd paragraph of the actual quote, “It follows that the Church is essentially...”
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