“...the LORD would take up Elijah into heaven by whirlwind,....” 2 Kings 2:1

Well, even if you place Elijah in the lowest form of heaven, he’s defying gravity.

But take look two verses earlier, at 2Kings 1:17....
“So he died according to the word of the LORD which Elijah had spoken. And Jehoram reigned in his stead in the second year of Jehoram the son of Jehoshaphat king of Judah; because he had no son.”

The writing that you speak of was not very many years after Elijah departure. The Jehoram that received the letter was a king of Judah, and just a few years earlier, became king while his father, king Jehoshaphat was still king of the same tribe (so say some researchers that compared all the chronological data of the OT kings). So, Elijah already knew how evil Jehoram of Judah was, even before his being taken up from this earth.

That said, keep in mind that Elijah was a prophet, and was given words of prophecy, such as his instructions from God to anoint Hazael to be king of Syria, and Jehu to be king of Israel, and Elisha “to be prophet in thy room”. (1Kings 19:15,16).

Well, Elijah personally anointed Elisha, but Elijah didn’t personally anoint Hazael or Jehu; Elisha did, after his mentor’s departure (in Elijah’s stead, or “room”).

Same with any writing of prophecy from Elijah. Elisha was his right hand man, possibly his record keeper. He held that assistant status for several years, it would seem. It may have been the last prophecy given by God to Elijah.

So, I tend to think that when Elijah went up out sight, he was loooonnngg gone.

Why do you ignore the fact that we are asking Mary to Pray to Jesus on our behalf?

Why do you ignore the fact that we are asking you to show from Scripture even one prayer by anyone except pagans addressed to anyone else in Heaven but God, despite appor. 200 prayers inspired by the Spirit in Scripture, and despite there always being plenty of created beings in Heaven to pray to, and despite prayer being a most basic essential function, while instruction on pray only directs believers to address God directly?

The silence is deafening.

“Well, even if you place Elijah in the lowest form of heaven, he’s defying gravity.”

Without question, the defying of gravity of course being an act of God. We also saw God defying gravity with the parting of the Red Sea along with many other examples of God acting to protect his children. The reason I believe “the lowest form, transported to a safe place on earth “ is because it’s consistent with clear scripture “John 3:13” with no contradiction. It should also be noted that similar incidents to Elijah’s took place in other parts of the bible, Acts 8:39,40 where Phillip was transported to another location, and Ezekiel in Ezekiel 3:12.

Amen!

Yet....y'all continue to do so then complain when your doctrines are disputed. Why is that? If you don't want such interaction, then don't post the provocative threads! And, quite honestly, I have no problem defending my beliefs even to the same people over and over because I truly think the Holy Spirit is able to break through even the deepest entrenched deception for those who are diligently seeking to know the truth. I don't see it as a waste of time at all.

I couldn't care less whether you "dispute" Catholic doctrines. I know "y'all" are wrong, so I don't bother with "y'all". I was merely telling others to stop bothering with "y'all". I have yet to see someone deeply entrenched on either side switch to the opposite side.

If anyone will not welcome you or listen to your words, leave that home or town and shake the dust off your feet.

Were Moses and Elijah “dead” when they appeared with Christ in front of Peter?

HMMMmmm...

Matthew 17:12 KJV
But I say unto you, That Elias is come already, and they knew him not, but have done unto him whatsoever they listed.

Face it, threads like this are intentionally provocative towards non-Catholic Christians in their not-so-subtle condemnation of those deemed "children of Martin Luther". Trash him, trash us, right?

Well; there sure is a PRECEDENT!!

"One indeed is the universal Church of the faithful, outside which no one at all is saved, in which the priest himself is the sacrifice, Jesus Christ, whose body and blood are truly contained in the sacrament of the altar under the species of bread and wine; the bread (changed) into His body by the divine power of transubstantiation, and the wine into the blood, so that to accomplish the mystery of unity we ourselves receive from His (nature) what He Himself received from ours."

--Pope Innocent III and Lateran Council IV (A.D. 1215)

The word was wittle, like little, not "white".

Just imagine what can be done when what is THOUGHT to be 'scripture' is posted!

couldn't care less whether you "dispute" Catholic doctrines. I know "y'all" are wrong, so I don't bother with "y'all". I was merely telling others to stop bothering with "y'all". I have yet to see someone deeply entrenched on either side switch to the opposite side.

I've received several private emails from people who've either not joined Catholicism or were on the fence and not sure of the issues because of these threads.

As I told one rcc I post for those who aren't sure or who've never examined the difference between Christianity and Roman Catholicism.

Where have I resorted to profanity or name-calling on this, or any other, thread?

Cardinal Reinhard Marx: Support for the pope is ‘substantial’ [Catholic Caucus]

‎2‎/‎15‎/‎2017‎ ‎10‎:‎45‎:‎17‎ ‎PM · 8 of 9
ebb tide to Buckeye McFrog

Keep trying to tell y’all the fix is in.

Yeah, just like Bruno Forte has stated.

Unlike you, I have not only faith,, but I have hope.

Put down the revolt of those Catholic peasants!

‎2‎/‎15‎/‎2017‎ ‎7‎:‎10‎:‎38‎ ‎PM · 63 of 71
ebb tide to ealgeone

I will post on any open thread when I want to....be it one of the many you start or one started by another.

And you will continue to openly display your total ignorance of the Catholic Church while lying about what it teaches.

Put down the revolt of those Catholic peasants!

‎2‎/‎15‎/‎2017‎ ‎6‎:‎14‎:‎19‎ ‎PM · 57 of 71
ebb tide to ealgeone

Again, you are outside the Church, so don’t even lecture me about the One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church.

Go back and play in your sandbox with your other heretics.

Put down the revolt of those Catholic peasants!

‎2‎/‎15‎/‎2017‎ ‎6‎:‎05‎:‎01‎ ‎PM · 55 of 71
ebb tide to ealgeone

Cluck, cluck. Chicken.

Who was Jesus Christ’s Mother?

Who was Her spouse?

Who was her Son?

Put down the revolt of those Catholic peasants!

‎2‎/‎15‎/‎2017‎ ‎5‎:‎57‎:‎13‎ ‎PM · 50 of 71
ebb tide to ealgeone

Swearing?

You are getting paranoid. I recommend you get help, mental not spiritual.

I'm sure there's lots more but those illustrate my point.

Ya THINK??

You need proof that the soul of Mary not only doesn’t sleep, but is omnipresent.

Ain't THIS good enough for you; ya Heretic!!??

--Catholic_Wannabe_Dude(Hail Mary!!)

It appears that you're a legend in your own mind.

HMMMmmm...

95 posted on ‎2‎/‎19‎/‎2017‎ ‎3‎:‎59‎:‎06‎ ‎PM by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome)

A true prophet could foretell the future by the Holy Spirit. Elijah was a true prophet. Elijah could foretell the future by the Holy Spirit.

Let me insert a small highjack here...

Remember the brouhaha a few years ago about the end of the world as 'foretold' by the Mayan calendar?

Why didn't them dudes give a warning about the Spaniards that showed up and wiped their culture out??

Well, even if you place Elijah in the lowest form of heaven, he’s defying gravity.

This sounds mighty MORMON!!

HEAVEN-The Mormon church teaches there are three levels of heaven (three "degrees of glory"):

Celestial - for Mormons who have kept ALL of the laws and ordinances of their church.

Terrestrial - for religious people who aren't Mormons and for Mormons who have not met the requirements of the Church.

Telestial - where unbelievers go

HELL: A place of torment from which the worst of sinners are resurrected (if they repent) into the Telestial kingdom; only a limited number remain in hell forever, - the devil and the demons and apostates who consciously reject and work against Mormonism.

SALVATION: A word that Mormons qualify in one of three ways: unconditional or general salvation is simply resurrection from the dead, granted to all through Christ's atonement; conditional or individual salvation involves entering the celestial kingdom through works of Mormonism; full salvation means exaltation to become a God as a result of temple ceremonies and other works. The word 'salvation' can have a two-fold meaning: a) forgiveness of sins and b) universal resurrection:

"There will be a General Salvation for all in the sense in which that term is generally used, but salvation, meaning resurrection, is not exaltation" (Stephen L. Richards, Contributions of Joseph Smith, LDS tract, p.5).
"All men are saved by grace alone without any act on their part, meaning they are resurrected" (Bruce McConkie, What Mormons Think of Christ", LDS tract, p.28).

The Mormons have several different levels of "salvation".

General salvation- in Mormon theology, the death of Christ ransoms men from the effects of the fall (Mormon Doctrine, p.62), except for a few sons of perdition who fell with Lucifer. Thus, all mankind will eventually receive general salvation because all men will be resurrected.
Individual salvation - to obtain individual salvation, the standards set forth by the Mormon church must be met. This comes by grace plus baptism plus works.
Exaltation - different degrees of exaltation
Eternal life on the other hand is reserved for the elite few who qualify and are found worthy of this "honor" or "reward" and who will move on to be "exalted." This salvation is in fact the personal "exaltation" or the fast track of the "eternal progression" process in attaining your own self-made status of godhood in order to people your own planet.

I hate Mormons.

If anyone will not welcome you or listen to your words, leave that home or town and shake the dust off your feet.

Titus 2:1-3
You, however, must teach what is appropriate to sound doctrine.
Teach the older men to be temperate, worthy of respect, self-controlled, and sound in faith, in love and in endurance.
Likewise, teach the older women to be reverent in the way they live, not to be slanderers or addicted to much wine, but to teach what is good.

And I pray that the audience gets larger and larger.

If lurkers want a ONE-SIDED report of Catholicism; they can stay tuned into only RCC caucus threads.

I love them!

It’s what they say they believe that is deserving of MY hatred!

(It’s them Illinois NAZI’s that get my panties in a wad!!)