Yeah, just like Bruno Forte has stated.
Unlike you, I have not only faith,, but I have hope.
Keep trying to tell y’all the fix is in.
Ain't THIS good enough for you; ya Heretic!!??
--Catholic_Wannabe_Dude(Hail Mary!!)
Posted on 02/18/2017 6:28:09 AM PST by marshmallow
CFN Intro: On February 16 Rorate Caeli and Adelante la Fe posted a comprehensive video interview with the well-known conservative Bishop Athanasius Schneider of Kazakistan that runs about 48 minutes. The interview covered a myriad of topics, but CFN is spotlighting Bishop Schneider’s magnificent response regarding a recent Vatican document that names the heresiarch Martin Luther as a witness to the Gospel. We know you will benefit from Bishop Schneider’s forthright commentary (JV).
Question: A controversial document from the Pontifical Council for Christian Unity equates Saint Ignatius of Loyola and Saint Francis of Borgia with Martin Luther, calling him a witness to the Gospel. We as Catholics are aware of the serious damage Luther caused to the Church, what should be our position if our ecclesiastical authorities invite us to consider Luther as a witness to the Gospel?
Bishop Schneider. Well, this document is issued by the Pontifical Council for Christian Unity, this Council has no doctrinal authority. We have no need to take seriously this document, which is objectively wrong. It is against the evidence. We cannot put on the same level Luther and Saint Ignatius. This is a contradiction. Luther cannot be a witness to the Gospel, and the Church will not ask us to accept this because it is only a statement from the pontifical Council so it need not be taken seriously.
When we examine in sincerity and honesty Luther and his work, he caused immense damage to the entire Christianity. He divided Christianity. He is not a witness of the Gospel.He denied almost the entire previous tradition from 1500 years. This cannot be a witness to the Gospel who puts himself as the authority to interpret the Word of God. This is against the Faith which Christ gave us and which the apostles transmitted to us in a basic manner – to reject the Holy Tradition as really a fount of revelation and the entire thinking of the Church which the Holy Ghost guided in the dogmatic and doctrinal issues, and this is the case. Luther did not reject [merely] the disciplinary tradition, the pastoral tradition, but he rejected the fundamental doctrinal tradition of the Church. And the doctrinal tradition of the Church is the Gospel. This is Gospel. And when I reject the substance of the entire Apostolic and immutable constant tradition of the Church (in the case of Luther, 1500 years) I am rejecting the Gospel.
For example, in Kazakistan where I am living there was a holy martyr priest who was beatified, Blessed Oleksa Zarytsky whom my parents had known personally, he blessed me when I was a child. This priest was from the Byzantine Rite, but Catholic. And the Communist asked them not to deny Christ, not to deny the sacraments, but only to deny one point of the Gospel: the primacy of Peter, the papacy (which is in the Gospel). Blessed Oleksa told the tribunal, “If I would deny this point on the primacy of Peter, I will deny entire Gospel. I will be the anti-witness of the entire Gospel.” This is in our time, he died in 1963.
So, in the case of Luther, he rejected the heart of the Church, which is the Eucharist. He rejected the sacrificial essence and substance of the Eucharistic celebration, and this is the heart of the Church – the Eucharist. This is just one example. So how could one be a witness to the Gospel when he rejects the heart of the Church, the sacrificial nature of the Mass itself?
Luther called the Mass an invention of the devil, a blasphemy. He called the papacy an invention of satan. How can we name this person as a witness? When we do this, we don’t believe in the sacrificial character of the Mass, or we don’t believe in the primacy of Peter, or we don’t believe in the Catholic manner of the unchangeable doctrinal tradition of the Church, or we are committing a lie and playing only a game of political correctness. This is very dishonest. Or we have an intellectual position of relativism, that truth and untruth are the same. And so in this case when this document from the Pontifical Council states that Luther is more or less the same level as St. Ignatius, they are putting truth and error at the same level. This is the position of philosophical and theological relativism. And this is very dangerous.
So I think we need not take this document seriously, because it has no doctrinal authority. It is in itself contradictory and completely wrong. This document will not last for many years. Because the Church is more powerful, the unchangeable truth is more powerful than this weak and very wrong document. It will pass away with time.
“...the LORD would take up Elijah into heaven by whirlwind,....” 2 Kings 2:1
Well, even if you place Elijah in the lowest form of heaven, he’s defying gravity.
But take look two verses earlier, at 2Kings 1:17....
“So he died according to the word of the LORD which Elijah had spoken. And Jehoram reigned in his stead in the second year of Jehoram the son of Jehoshaphat king of Judah; because he had no son.”
The writing that you speak of was not very many years after Elijah departure. The Jehoram that received the letter was a king of Judah, and just a few years earlier, became king while his father, king Jehoshaphat was still king of the same tribe (so say some researchers that compared all the chronological data of the OT kings). So, Elijah already knew how evil Jehoram of Judah was, even before his being taken up from this earth.
That said, keep in mind that Elijah was a prophet, and was given words of prophecy, such as his instructions from God to anoint Hazael to be king of Syria, and Jehu to be king of Israel, and Elisha “to be prophet in thy room”. (1Kings 19:15,16).
Well, Elijah personally anointed Elisha, but Elijah didn’t personally anoint Hazael or Jehu; Elisha did, after his mentor’s departure (in Elijah’s stead, or “room”).
Same with any writing of prophecy from Elijah. Elisha was his right hand man, possibly his record keeper. He held that assistant status for several years, it would seem. It may have been the last prophecy given by God to Elijah.
So, I tend to think that when Elijah went up out sight, he was loooonnngg gone.
Why do you ignore the fact that we are asking you to show from Scripture even one prayer by anyone except pagans addressed to anyone else in Heaven but God, despite appor. 200 prayers inspired by the Spirit in Scripture, and despite there always being plenty of created beings in Heaven to pray to, and despite prayer being a most basic essential function, while instruction on pray only directs believers to address God directly?
The silence is deafening.
“Well, even if you place Elijah in the lowest form of heaven, he’s defying gravity.”
Without question, the defying of gravity of course being an act of God. We also saw God defying gravity with the parting of the Red Sea along with many other examples of God acting to protect his children. The reason I believe “the lowest form, transported to a safe place on earth “ is because it’s consistent with clear scripture “John 3:13” with no contradiction. It should also be noted that similar incidents to Elijah’s took place in other parts of the bible, Acts 8:39,40 where Phillip was transported to another location, and Ezekiel in Ezekiel 3:12.
Amen!
I couldn't care less whether you "dispute" Catholic doctrines. I know "y'all" are wrong, so I don't bother with "y'all". I was merely telling others to stop bothering with "y'all". I have yet to see someone deeply entrenched on either side switch to the opposite side.
If anyone will not welcome you or listen to your words, leave that home or town and shake the dust off your feet.
HMMMmmm...
Matthew 17:12 KJV
But I say unto you, That Elias is come already, and they knew him not, but have done unto him whatsoever they listed.
Well; there sure is a PRECEDENT!!
"One indeed is the universal Church of the faithful, outside which no one at all is saved, in which the priest himself is the sacrifice, Jesus Christ, whose body and blood are truly contained in the sacrament of the altar under the species of bread and wine; the bread (changed) into His body by the divine power of transubstantiation, and the wine into the blood, so that to accomplish the mystery of unity we ourselves receive from His (nature) what He Himself received from ours."
--Pope Innocent III and Lateran Council IV (A.D. 1215)
Just imagine what can be done when what is THOUGHT to be 'scripture' is posted!
I've received several private emails from people who've either not joined Catholicism or were on the fence and not sure of the issues because of these threads.
As I told one rcc I post for those who aren't sure or who've never examined the difference between Christianity and Roman Catholicism.
Ain't THIS good enough for you; ya Heretic!!??
--Catholic_Wannabe_Dude(Hail Mary!!)
HMMMmmm...
95 posted on 2/19/2017 3:59:06 PM by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome)
Let me insert a small highjack here...
Remember the brouhaha a few years ago about the end of the world as 'foretold' by the Mayan calendar?
Why didn't them dudes give a warning about the Spaniards that showed up and wiped their culture out??
This sounds mighty MORMON!!
HEAVEN-The Mormon church teaches there are three levels of heaven (three "degrees of glory"):
The Mormons have several different levels of "salvation".
I hate Mormons.
Titus 2:1-3
You, however, must teach what is appropriate to sound doctrine.
Teach the older men to be temperate, worthy of respect, self-controlled, and sound in faith, in love and in endurance.
Likewise, teach the older women to be reverent in the way they live, not to be slanderers or addicted to much wine, but to teach what is good.
And I pray that the audience gets larger and larger.
If lurkers want a ONE-SIDED report of Catholicism; they can stay tuned into only RCC caucus threads.
I love them!
It’s what they say they believe that is deserving of MY hatred!
(It’s them Illinois NAZI’s that get my panties in a wad!!)
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