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How to Think About Luther?
Crisis Magazine ^ | July 12, 2017 | James Kalb

Posted on 07/12/2017 4:52:31 PM PDT by ebb tide

How to Think About Luther?

James Kalb

Traditionally, Catholics have viewed Luther as a heresiarch, and the Lutheran break from Rome as a religious and civilizational catastrophe. More recently, in line with current ecumenical and pastoral initiatives, that view has softened.

The softening has been quite noticeable during the current pontificate. The pope recently took part in a joint liturgy with the Church of Sweden to commemorate the five hundredth anniversary of Luther’s rebellion. He has also suggested informally that a Lutheran married to a Catholic might legitimately decide to receive communion from a Catholic priest, and that disputes between Catholics and Lutherans over the doctrine of justification, the basic point at issue in Luther’s split with Rome, are now a thing of the past.

More generally, some papal language regarding law and mercy suggests movement away from the Catholic view that grace enables us to overcome our sins toward Luther’s view that it simply frees us from their consequences. Examples include the comment in Amoris Laetitia that

conscience can … recognize with sincerity and honesty what for now is the most generous response which can be given to God, and come to see with a certain moral security that it is what God himself is asking … while yet not fully the objective ideal.

So if you think it’s all you can do, that’s probably all God is looking for. Luther’s pecca fortiter, “sin boldly,” was based on a similar line of thought.

Are these moves in the right direction? The Church is hierarchical, and it is the pope and other clergy who are charged with teaching doctrine and determining appropriate pastoral and ecumenical efforts. Even so, laymen can hardly avoid forming their own views, and many Catholics find that recent ecumenical efforts have done more harm than good, as has a tendency to confuse “pastoral” with “accepting that people do whatever they do.”

Laymen have the right and even obligation to present these concerns. The issues matter a great deal, and not simply for churchly reasons. Our secular authorities are convinced they have the solution to all social and political problems, at least in principle, and can put it into effect through a global managed system that recognizes nothing human outside it, no authoritative God above it, no enduring human nature beneath it, and no significant history behind it other than the history of its own coming into being. Everything is a social construction, and they will do the constructing.

The project is unfounded, overreaching, and destructive, and Catholics should oppose it. But the ecumenical and interfaith movements, along with proposals for loosening sacramental discipline to accept common practices in the name of “accompaniment,” support it by sidelining specific religious principle. They turn it into something like the British monarchy, which lends historical depth and dignity to a modern utilitarian bureaucracy but does not affect its substance. So those who view current political and social trends as anti-Catholic and anti-human have an additional reason for concern regarding ecumenical and pastoral tendencies in the Church that support them.

Concern regarding the changing Catholic attitude toward Luther is all the more justified because he’s the man who initiated the Protestant split from Rome, a fundamental event in the emergence of the modern world, and a variety of liberal and radical movements have claimed him as an inspiration. So if we are troubled by the trend toward a global society organized through and through on wholly secular and increasingly intolerant principles, and want to understand where the trend comes from, we should know something about his thought and deeds and their consequences.

A recently published collection of essays put out by the Roman Forum, an organization founded by Dietrich von Hildebrand, can help. Luther and His Progeny: 500 Years of Protestantism & Its Consequences for Church, State, and Society includes pieces by a dozen European and American scholars of varying backgrounds, each with his own outlook and concerns, but all troubled by the man, the movement he launched, and current efforts to enlist them, along with Catholicism, in a grand scheme of political, social, and religious unification. Each essay is independent of the others, but collectively they cover the basic issues that led Luther to reject the Church, as well as the effects of his rebellion on European thought and society.

Taken together they present the picture of a revolution in religion, politics, law, ethics, economics, and even the natural sciences, the effects of which profoundly shape our present world. At bottom, what seems to have led Luther to break with Rome was his overwhelming sense of guilt over his inability to keep the moral law. He was in a mess, and the Catholic road of humility, penitence, forgiveness, sacrament, grace, and sanctification didn’t seem to be working for him, so he decided that the world itself is one huge irreversible mess. Man is totally depraved, reason a snare, free will an illusion, and the Church can do nothing and so is fundamentally useless. To make matters worse, God himself is willful, incomprehensible, and even self-contradictory, since he is good but makes man incapable of anything but evil.

Under such circumstances what do we do, if it makes sense to ask the question when we have no inclination or ability to think or choose rightly? Basically, Luther’s answer was to rely wholly on the mercy of Christ, who might—or might not—choose to cover up our sins and accept us as justified even though we would inevitably remain as corrupt as ever.

These are not reasonable views. How, for example, is a God worthy of love, worship, and trust who condemns to eternal torment sinners he made incapable of acting otherwise, but then arbitrarily chooses some, who are no better than the others, for forgiveness and eternal bliss? The best that can be done for such views intellectually, one of the essayists suggests, is to view them as a precursor of German idealism, which treats contradiction as fundamental to reality and its dialectical resolution as the basis of the self-construction of the Absolute. At the transcendent level that means, as Luther put it, that “God must first become the devil before he becomes God.” And at the human level, it means faith goes through radically different stages, with the transitions involving overwhelming temptations to unbelief and blasphemy, and ultimate resolution not possible in this world.

Some people think that sort of explanation makes sense, others don’t. A more psychological and likely more comprehensible approach that some have recently proposed is to portray him as a “mystic of mercy,” overwhelmed by the infinitude of divine grace, whose words cannot be taken literally. (Muslims take the same approach with their own mystics, whose words are rarely compatible with orthodox Islam.)

That approach may explain something of the man, but not the movement he started: people don’t look to the incoherent outbursts of mystics for practical tips on the reform of Church, State, and doctrine, but that’s exactly what Luther offered, and what people took from him.

The specifics are complicated. His thought wasn’t coherent, so people took from it what suited them. At bottom, though, denying the practical effectiveness of religion tended strongly to liberate secular affairs from religious concerns, and destroy the authority and the sacramental structure of the Church. And that, it appears, was the reason for the success of his rebellion. By insisting on the irrelevance of divine law to what men actually do, Luther enabled secular powers to shake off the authority of the Church, set themselves up as absolute within their domains, and incidentally enrich themselves and their supporters with the property that an ineffectual Church could no longer justify possessing.

All of which remains relevant today. Secular authorities still don’t like religious limitations, so if a contemporary religious leader wants to exchange scorn for adulation, all he has to do is ignore distinctions, loosen restrictions, and proclaim mercy without penitence or emendation of life. Neither talent, virtue, nor rational coherence is needed, only a willingness to go along in order to get along. And there are many high-ranking churchmen who are eager to accept the deal.

Editor’s note: Pictured above is Pope Francis with the General Secretary of the Lutheran World Federation Rev. Martin Junge (right) and the President of the Lutheran World Federation Bishop Munib Younan (far left) attending an ecumenical prayer service at the Lutheran cathedral in Lund, Sweden, Oct. 31. (Photo credit: CNS photo/Paul Haring)



TOPICS: Apologetics; Catholic; Mainline Protestant; Religion & Politics
KEYWORDS: bergoglio; luther
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To: fortes fortuna juvat; HLPhat
>>The priesthood of all believers is a Lutheran doctrine.

I am fully aware of that. Did I imply that I wasn’t?

What a ridiculous discussion.

The priesthood of all believers is a God thing.

A Biblical truth.

From the 1st century.

5 Ye also, as lively stones, are built up a spiritual house, an holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices, acceptable to God by Jesus Christ.
No denomination 'owns' what is in the Bible.

The two of you might want to read the Whole Chapter

It's always best to familiarize yourselves with the Bible before making statements that don't lineup with God's Word.

401 posted on 07/14/2017 10:13:39 PM PDT by Syncro (Facts is Facts)
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To: Syncro

>> It’s always best to familiarize yourselves with the Bible before making statements that don’t lineup with God’s Word.

I’m fully aware of 1 Peter 2. And I’m also aware that although ML preached the verse in question as a fundamental doctrine, he later lamented the fact that because of it every milkmaid and farmhand thought they could rightly interpret the Scriptures.


402 posted on 07/15/2017 5:11:46 AM PDT by fortes fortuna juvat
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To: fortes fortuna juvat
"The priesthood of all believers"

Back circa 1972 there was a sort of system of checks and balances in the LCMS formed by the corporate body of Christ in the Church who were formally educated by called teachers - teachers who taught the Word to the body whose membership were encourage to always question the authority of "leadership", including teachers and pastors, against the Word.

Truth - sought through prayer and the guidance of the Holy Spirit by the fellowship of Christ's body in the Word.

It made a lot of sense in the context of the 70s - a culture infested by cults led by wolves like Manson and Jones and others.

Unfortunately today the LCMS has generally lost its network of schools and teachers - and the vacuum has been filled by a central authoritarianism that tends to prefer the defense of dogma over the seeking of Truth.

I think Jesus, Luther, Jefferson, Merton, and Einstein were on the same page: 

"Truth is great and will prevail"


"EDUCATE THE COMMON PEOPLE"

403 posted on 07/15/2017 6:56:30 AM PDT by HLPhat (It takes a Republic TO SECURE THESE RIGHTS - not a populist Tyranny of the Majority)
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To: fortes fortuna juvat
I’m fully aware of 1 Peter 2. And I’m also aware that although ML preached the verse in question as a fundamental doctrine, he later lamented the fact that because of it every milkmaid and farmhand thought they could rightly interpret the Scriptures.

Any believer has the Holy Spirit living in them and the Holy Spirit guides men into all truth.

So just what IS the *right* way to interpret Scripture?

And just who decides that they're the appointed ones who get to tell everyone else what that *right* way is?

And how do they know it's right?

404 posted on 07/15/2017 10:25:09 AM PDT by metmom ( ...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith..)
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To: fortes fortuna juvat
...ML preached the verse in question as a fundamental doctrine, he later lamented the fact that because of it every milkmaid and farmhand thought they could rightly interpret the Scriptures

That's a pretty bold statement, an opinion stated as if it is a fact, especially the "every" adjective.

Are you a Catholic?

I am neither a Catholic or Lutheran but a Christian.

Although I am a layperson, as milkmaids and farmhands are, (the latter which I have been in the past) but have never attempted to interpret the Scriptures.

That is the job of the Holy Spirit.

As it was back in Luther's time.

I've noticed that OTC (other than Catholic) Christians are often accused of having their own interpretation of Scripture (and declared that they are "protestants") when in fact Christians follow the leading of the Holy Spirit for that job.

Please post proof of your statement, I do not believe it is accurate.

405 posted on 07/15/2017 10:49:56 AM PDT by Syncro (Facts is Facts)
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To: Syncro
That is the job of the Holy Spirit.

As it was back in Luther's time.

You're equating the Holy Ghost with Luther? Unbelievable.

406 posted on 07/15/2017 10:57:19 AM PDT by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome)
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To: ebb tide
That is the job of the Holy Spirit.

As it was back in Luther's time.

You're equating the Holy Ghost with Luther? Unbelievable.

What is unbelieveable is your reading comprehension and your ability to twist my words into something you can accuse me of and complain about.

Nice try.

"Luther's time" has nothing to do with Luther except to give a time frame. Period.

The Holy Spirit has always been the guide for understanding Scriptures. From Day One until infinity.

The Holy Spirit interprets Scripture.

Scripture interprets Scripture.

Jesus is The Word.

407 posted on 07/15/2017 11:22:38 AM PDT by Syncro (James 1:8- A double minded man is unstable in all his ways)
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To: Syncro
The Holy Ghost has called me by the gospel and illuminated me with his gifts and sanctified and preserved me in the true faith.

Martin Luther

408 posted on 07/15/2017 11:32:08 AM PDT by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome)
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To: ebb tide

Well that’s great

Even though he was a Catholic he relied on the Holy Spirit rather than the doctrines of Catholicism.

That must be why he was so determined to bring Catholicism back in line with what Christians always believed.

I do not study Luther or obsess over his teachings. Nor do most Christians


409 posted on 07/15/2017 1:32:59 PM PDT by Syncro (James 1:8- A double minded man is unstable in all his ways)
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To: ebb tide

You’re equating the Holy Ghost with Luther? Unbelievable.


410 posted on 07/15/2017 2:27:04 PM PDT by Syncro (James 1:8- A double minded man is unstable in all his ways)
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To: ebb tide
The Holy Ghost has called me by the gospel and illuminated me with his gifts and sanctified and preserved me in the true faith.

That is true of EVERY believer.

Every believer can make that statement.

411 posted on 07/15/2017 3:46:46 PM PDT by metmom ( ...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith..)
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To: metmom

Amen

And have been living it ever since God sent His Holy Spirit to Christians in the 1st century


412 posted on 07/15/2017 5:33:46 PM PDT by Syncro (James 1:8- A double minded man is unstable in all his ways)
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To: Syncro
John 6:44No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws him. And I will raise him up on the last day.

1 Corinthians 12:8-11 For to one is given through the Spirit the utterance of wisdom, and to another the utterance of knowledge according to the same Spirit, to another faith by the same Spirit, to another gifts of healing by the one Spirit, to another the working of miracles, to another prophecy, to another the ability to distinguish between spirits, to another various kinds of tongues, to another the interpretation of tongues.

All these are empowered by one and the same Spirit, who apportions to each one individually as he wills.

1 Thessalonians 5:23-24 Now may the God of peace himself sanctify you completely, and may your whole spirit and soul and body be kept blameless at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ. He who calls you is faithful; he will surely do it.

413 posted on 07/15/2017 6:43:52 PM PDT by metmom ( ...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith..)
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To: metmom

>>Any believer has the Holy Spirit living in them and the Holy Spirit guides men into all truth.

The problem with that idea is that there are countless confirmed believers who apparently are NOT being guided into all truth because their beliefs regarding various Scriptures directly contradict the beliefs of other believers.


414 posted on 07/15/2017 7:58:26 PM PDT by fortes fortuna juvat
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To: fortes fortuna juvat
The problem with that idea is that there are countless confirmed believers who apparently are NOT being guided into all truth because their beliefs regarding various Scriptures directly contradict the beliefs of other believers.

Scripture is true whether everyone agrees with it or not.

The Holy Spirit DOES guide all believers into all truth.

Whether they accept it or not is their business but their not accepting it does NOT negate the truth of the Scripture as given us by Jesus.

415 posted on 07/16/2017 2:42:16 PM PDT by metmom ( ...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith..)
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To: metmom

>> Whether they accept it or not is their business but their not accepting it does NOT negate the truth of the Scripture as given us by Jesus.

Of course, but what I’m saying is that when two people read a verse of Scripture and one understands it to say one thing and the other person concludes it is saying something quite different, at least one of them have it WRONG. And, possibly BOTH of them have it wrong. You, for example, probably THINK you know exactly what is meant by every verse you read, but other readers may disagree with what you think you know, AND for all you know they may be right and you may be wrong. What you should think about is that there are Bible “scholars” who spend their lives “searching” the Scriptures and completely disagree with one another on what the meaning of various verses actually is.


416 posted on 07/16/2017 8:09:53 PM PDT by fortes fortuna juvat
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To: fortes fortuna juvat

That does not negate or invalidate the statement made in Scripture that the Holy Spirit will guide believers into all truth.

And I don’t care is someone is in the Who’s Who of Bible Scholars. They can be just as wrong as anyone else if the Holy spirit is not guiding them. Just because they are *Bible Scholars* does not mean the Holy Spirit is involved in their studies.

FWIW, every person on the planet has their own personal interpretation of Scripture, even Catholics who claim that they follow the Church’s. They have decided to let someone do their thinking for them and accept what is handed to them as right. In the end, it’s STILL a personal decision by the individual of what is truth and what it not and what it a correct interpretation and what is not.


417 posted on 07/17/2017 2:23:12 PM PDT by metmom ( ...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith..)
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To: metmom

>> They can be just as wrong as anyone else if the Holy spirit is not guiding them.

Precisely so. Therefore I need your best explanation as to just how you, or anyone else for that matter, can know with absolute certainty who’s WRONG, who’s RIGHT, and who’s being guided by the Holy Ghost or just THINKS they’re being guided by Him?

Clear and unambiguous answer, PLEASE.


418 posted on 07/19/2017 5:58:43 AM PDT by fortes fortuna juvat
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