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1 posted on 08/15/2017 10:30:05 AM PDT by ebb tide
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The Council was totally unnecessary, and should never have been called.

The two most destructive actions:

1) Uglification of the Mass (Novus Ordo)

2) Abandonment of memorization (in U.S., Baltimore Catechism) The “catechetical collapse* was a CHOICE.


2 posted on 08/15/2017 11:04:53 AM PDT by Arthur McGowan (https://youtu.be/IYUYya6bPGw)
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To: ebb tide
Up until Amoris Laetitia, I probably fell into a combination of the "Orthodox Concern" group mentioned above ("The Orthodox Concern acknowledges the existence of problems in the Church that began in the 1960’s. But Vatican II is not to blame; problems...due to...poor implementation of Vatican II") + purposeful misinterpretation of ambiguity in the documents, like what's happened with Amoris Laetitia.

In the past 16 months I've changed over to "Vatican II itself has fundamental problems; problems of ambiguity and perhaps even erroneous teachings." Bishop Anthanasius Schneider helped with his opinion that the Council was NOT infallible, one of the reasons being that they themselves said it wasn't. He has suggested a syllabus of errors be created. If that's done, in addition to that, whatever ambiguity exists in the documents needs to be tightened up, like the dubia cardinals want to do with Amoris Laetitia. Or ditch whatever documents are adversely affecting the Church altogether.

I also never had a problem with the Novus Ordo. But, in light of the destruction I've realized in the past 16 months that it's caused, I believe we should return to the Extraordinary Form. And I agree with Arthur about the Catechism.

4 posted on 08/15/2017 12:06:47 PM PDT by BlessedBeGod (To restore all things in Christ~~Appeasing evil is cowardice~~Francis is temporary. Hell is forever.)
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Evangelization can be frustrating. After 25 years evangelizing in my personal life and in official roles with the Church, including as a diocesan Director of Evangelization, I know this well. Few Catholics, of course, would be surprised that evangelization can be arduous. They may be surprised, however, at the way censorship in the Church poses a threat to evangelization. The little-known truth is that certain viewpoints, even though compatible with Catholic theology, are censored both by the institutional Church as well as many orthodox Catholic organizations—viewpoints that directly impact the success of evangelization efforts.

You know . . . I was actually hoping against hope that the author would deal with the issue of how the Catholic Church ridicules traditional ideas of Biblical authorship/authority and how it promotes evolutionism and brands any flirtation of any kind whatsoever with creationism to be inherently Protestant, un-Catholic, and heretical.

I should have known better. Apparently evolution and higher criticism are two things all Catholics at all points of the spectrum believe in.

8 posted on 08/15/2017 1:01:19 PM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (Viriycho sogeret umesuggeret mipnei Benei Yisra'el; 'ein yotze' ve'ein ba'.)
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