Strategies for Returning to the [Catholic] Church

CE.com ^ | 01-11-18 | James Day

[aMorePerfectUnion]

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[Elsie]

me too

[MHGinTN]

Not using the decoder ring, eh Els?

What if all those Mormon lurkers see you posts? ... Are there still Danites in that religion?

[ravenwolf]

I don’t really see why there is so much fuss about it
just one short scripture says what we need to know.

John 1:42 Jesus tells Simon that he will be called Cephas

Jesus is speaking in Aramaic or Hebrew because that is what
Cephas is, the scripture was wrote in Greek but cephas was left as Jesus said it which is obvious.

So it makes no difference what it means in greek, it is the
Language Jesus spoke it in is what matters and according to
the Bible dictionary it means rock, not peble , not little
rock arkansaw not big rock, just rock.

I truly believe it would not even be contested if every one would just forget the religious nonsense and worship God in spirit and in truth.

[imardmd1]

Almost. Acts 1:14. Then I suppose with the 120, speking tongues with everbody else?

[af_vet_1981]

I appreciate your note that has some beautiful passages in it. And as I noted in replies upthread, I believe that Jesus' choice of Simon as a disciple was to show that even the most unlikely could be made useful to furthering the Gospel and applying it. It is instructive to examine Simon's conduct to see how one's own could be improved. Mine, for instance, for it is clear that I take after Simon in many ways.

There is but a razor-thin margin between Simon's salvation and the Iscariot's loss: the difference is in the heart, not so much in the mind. With His omniscience Jesus knew ahead of time, way ahead. I just don't believe it is appropriate to put Simon on a pedestal, then or now.

But thanks for your note.

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I would think that if Jesus was in the habit of addressing him by his common nickname, that it would be here, if anywhere. But again, that's just an unproveable hypothesis, not a doctrine. More than anything, my opinion is that this little vignette is the point at which Simon is shown that the six denials of the trial night did not cause Jesus to dismiss him, but rather encouraged Simon to keep trusting in Him and keep on with the ministry, as the others were.

Well, so much for the primacy of "Peter" as "Pope," I hope.

Rather, hope to the end for the grace that is to be brought unto you at the revelation of Jesus Christ.

You are welcome and I commend you on your gentle conversation and sharing what you believe to be true. As for putting Simon on a pedestal, I think it right that he be put on a throne judging the twelve tribes of Israel, as the Messiah said. I find it interesting that, as with Jacob/Israel, Simon son of Jonah retained his birth name in the scriptures, in addition to obtaining his new name(s) Peter/Cephas. According to the New Testament, the Messiah continued to call Israel "Jacob" and did not call him "Israel" in the Four Gospels or Book of Acts. That did not mean Jacob was not "Israel" at the same time he was "Jacob," nor that the Messiah never called Jacob by the name "Israel." We simply do not have it recorded.

The Apostle Peter retains his birth name here as well:

Simon Peter, a servant and an apostle of Jesus Christ, to them that have obtained like precious faith with us through the righteousness of God and our Saviour Jesus Christ: Grace and peace be multiplied unto you through the knowledge of God, and of Jesus our Lord, According as his divine power hath given unto us all things that pertain unto life and godliness, through the knowledge of him that hath called us to glory and virtue: Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust. And beside this, giving all diligence, add to your faith virtue; and to virtue knowledge; And to knowledge temperance; and to temperance patience; and to patience godliness; And to godliness brotherly kindness; and to brotherly kindness charity. For if these things be in you, and abound, they make you that ye shall neither be barren nor unfruitful in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ. But he that lacketh these things is blind, and cannot see afar off, and hath forgotten that he was purged from his old sins. Wherefore the rather, brethren, give diligence to make your calling and election sure: for if ye do these things, ye shall never fall: For so an entrance shall be ministered unto you abundantly into the everlasting kingdom of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ.

Second Peter, Catholic chapter one, Protestant verses one to ten,
as authorized, but not authored, by King James

[imardmd1]

See Post #553. Since “Petros/Peter” is never “rock” in the Bible, only “stone,” and since “Petros” is never “Petra” which is always “rock”, and since the inerrant infallible inspired Holy Spirit interprets Cephas as Petros/Peter, Cephas which is the same as Petros is thus not rock in that context; it is only stone. Like it or not. This is Spirit, and it is truth. Q. E. D. Not my opinion. God’s. Strong was misled, and so are others who follow his definition in that particular detail.

[imardmd1]

All his other ministry associates called hin Cephas/Petros in their writings, as Jesus said they would.

[imardmd1]

. . . the Messiah never called Jacob by the name "Israel."

Probably lest people would get confused as to whether he referred to all Israel, or the Northern Kingdom, or the person for whom the nation was a synechdoce.

[af_vet_1981]

All his other ministry associates called hin Cephas/Petros in their writings, as Jesus said they would.

I only see the Apostle Paul call him by Cephas, his new name. The Apostle James called him by Simeon (Simon), his birth name. Most of the text describes him as Peter (Petros).

On a side note, I recall how many more names the Messiah has been given in the scriptures, in addition to Jesus.

[af_vet_1981]

And there was the angel who told Cornelius the centurion to call for Simon, a man who is called Peter.

[aMorePerfectUnion]

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[imardmd1]

Yes, the concordances and/or software tools permit one to make a quick overview of matters.

This is not the first time that the Cephas/Peter issue has come up. A while ago I did look up and review every instance of the use of rock/stone/pebble-related terms in the Bible languages as well as for the English of the Authorized version.

It is amazing what such word searches show up. These aids were just not available to the old-time commenters and translators. Now, every plough-boy with a good Bible study program can be an "expert," eh?

[imardmd1]

Correction to Post #609:

synechdoce synecdoche

(Or should it have been metonomy? I get confused without a dictionary, grammar, and thesaurus . . .)

[Elsie]

Dots right...

[Elsie]

Well; ya got me there.

But it's too bad it failed to show Mary's IMPORTANCE in the verse:

Acts 1:14
They all joined together constantly in prayer, along with the women and Mary the mother of Jesus, and with his brothers.

Rome SHOULD have recorded it thus...

They all joined together constantly in prayer with Mary the mother of GOD, along with the women and with his brothers cousins.

[Elsie]

More of the 'lost' story...

Acts 1:10

They were looking intently up into the sky as he was going, when suddenly two men dressed in white stood beside them. 11 “Men of Galilee,” they said, “why do you stand here looking into the sky?
11a LSS You've STILL got Mary to lead you in the correct pathways.

11b LSS Why; just this very eve; she is off to Asia to instruct seven churches located there the correct theology and methods of worship.

[Elsie]

OMG!!

How could I forget ‘Mary’ found HERE???

Chapter 12 of the Book of Revelation

[Elsie]

All his other ministry associates called hin Cephas/Petros in their writings, as Jesus said they would.

And yet; near the end; Jesus Himself said...

Luke 22:31 KJV
And the Lord said, 'Simon, Simon, lo, the Adversary did ask you for himself to sift as the wheat,

[Elsie]

1 At Caesarea there was a man named Cornelius, a centurion in what was known as the Italian Regiment. 2 He and all his family were devout and God-fearing; he gave generously to those in need and prayed to God regularly. 3 One day at about three in the afternoon he had a vision. He distinctly saw an angel of God, who came to him and said, “Cornelius!” 4 Cornelius stared at him in fear. “What is it, Lord?” he asked.

The angel answered, “Your prayers and gifts to the poor have come up as a memorial offering before God. 5 Now send men to Joppa to bring back a man named Simon who is called Peter. 6 He is staying with Simon the tanner, whose house is by the sea.”

7 When the angel who spoke to him had gone, Cornelius called two of his servants and a devout soldier who was one of his attendants. 8 He told them everything that had happened and sent them to Joppa.