Posted on 04/23/2018 9:24:19 PM PDT by Sontagged
What is the 1st hand source that supports these statements/accusations?
If the Ol’ King James was good enough for the Apostle Paul, its good enough for me.
God is good.
God is good.
God is good.
God is good.
God is good.
God is good.
God is good.
God is good.
Repeat 5000 times. Give me a break. Please, take me now.
I’m PM’ing you because I do not want to add to Palin’s problems, which you are unfortunately doing by asking such uninformed questions.
Kundalini is demonic.
No such thing as *side effects* or a *bad trip*.
It’s ALL bad, right to the core.
Speaking generally, there is a difference between adding to the Word of God and an expanded revelation on a given scripture. Is Bill Johnson declaring or teaching anything that "contradicts" scripture? If so, can you cite some of his contradictions.
BTW - I am not an apologist for Bill Johnson; I know little of his ministry.
My questions here are general in nature. In Jesus' day, the Pharisees had a a particular and dogmatic understanding of scripture. By the letter, they were right in their interpretation. However, Jesus interpreted those same scriptures differently, sometimes dramatically.
E.g., "And they asked him, saying, Why say the scribes that Elias must first come? And he answered and told them, Elias verily cometh first, and restoreth all things; and how it is written of the Son of man, that he must suffer many things, and be set at nought. But I say unto you, That Elias is indeed come, and they have done unto him whatsoever they listed, as it is written of him." Mark 9:11-13
The Elias spoken of in scripture was referring to John the Baptist. Revelation of the Word and/or its truth is not always was it seems to be.
““Apparently, CRISPR is in the Bible.”
Ok, I’ll bite. How so?”
Revelation. Mark of the Beast.
The theory of Pastormikeonline.com, Michael Hoggard, goes like this:
Only those who are human are eligible for salvation - not animals or angels, only Adam’s descendants, - of which Eve is included, because they were originally the same person, Eve having been taken out of Adam. Their DNA is the same.
CRISPR changes DNA. Most CRISPR usage combines or inserts DNA of a different species in practice.
If we have CRISPR change our DNA, for any reason, (insert any other DNA of any other species to cure cancer or whatever) the subject person is no longer completely human,
and so is not included in the plan of salvation.
Is NO LONGER eligible.
This is not my theory, but I admit it is a little unnerving to consider.
“Kundalini is demonic.”
Yes, the point is the description of a bad trip is very similar to descriptions of demonic possession (because its the same thing). The ‘gods’ that religions play with may have different names in different cultures.... but they are all fallen angles, demons.
Good questions, but the cite I linked is dedicated to exposing the NAR and Mike Bickle and IHOP and the Latter Rain/Manifest Sons of God bilge. Holly does a great job.
FReeper Pastor Bill Randles has written several books on the subject, and like myself, he came out of this movement. Holly is not a charismatic but she does a wonderful and important job in pointing out this growing movement. PastorBillRandles has a website and he has just updated his books. Both authors are very precise in their deconstruction of NAR thinking.
Early on, I focused on one of the LatterRain NAR founders, false prophet Bill Hamon, and quite soon afterwards I was freaked out by the obvious apostasy of the movement at Lakeland Florida with Todd Bentley, Jill Austin, Cindy Jacobs, Rick Joyner, Jim Goll etc. (Jill Austin and Goll’s wife, after being prayed over and fully participating at Lakeland, died terrible and unexpected deaths right afterwards. As I recall, Goll’s wife died at the very end of Lakeland. “Prophetess” Austin died of an exploding intestine, sort of a Herodian death.
This is an evil movement and the Assemblies of God had regularly condemned its theology in the fifties and sixties and through the 1990s and early 2000’s — from the Latter Rain cult to the Vineyard and IHOP movements) but at Lakeland, they hosted Todd Bentley, and that fiasco blew up in their faces.
That’s a bit of my background on it, but you’ll find a lot of stuff on Bill Johnson on both the sites I mentioned.
Right as I was getting out of that movement, someone gave me one of Bethel’s music CDs, you are right on..!
These people think it’s okay with God to do “vain repetitions” until they work themselves into a trance.
Neither of which are okay with the Lord, so it’s not worship, it’s just vain repetition set to trance music.
P.S. I recall playing that CD in my car one day and my Christian mom was listening to one of the songs where the music was quite beautiful ... until (of course) one of the singers did the screaming “HO!” thing that all these NAR people think is “a sign of the Holy Spirit”.
My mom jumped in her seat and said “what was that?!!!” I said: “it’s not worship music!” and turned it off.
You are very correct that this “Kundalini Spirit” or demon has infiltrated the NAR churches.
What exactly, is CRISPR?
Your comments about DNA are interesting because one of the things the folks I know who are into the NAR movement keep talking about is that they now have God’s DNA downloaded into their bodies.
They are allegedly, genetically changed to have holy DNA and therefore not subject to illnesses that run in their families.
So this person I know who clearly has osteoporosis claims that she doesn’t because she now has God’s DNA.
When she goes to the DR and they ask for family history, she tells them, no, no physical afflictions because she considers her DNA to have been changed when she got saved.
so that nobody has to waste their time looking it up.
= = =
I don’t think you meant it like that.
Sorry to see that you so publicly condemn your brother in the Lord, particularly absent concrete examples of your criteria (examples not depending on subjective interpretations of the given quotes presented as objective evaluations).
I can think of many scriptures that would encourage you to tread lightly, or not at all, on the ground you are walking.
You have not demonstrated, as far as I can tell (nor did Holly), any teachings that demonstrate Johnson negating or dismissing the scripture — though we are not to worship the Bible, but the God of the Bible.
Good — be a Berean!
I think it unfair to publicly attack other Christians, as well as a failure to practice clear, multiple biblical admonitions, e.g., “keep the unity of the Spirit in the bond of peace.” Most Pentecostals or Charismatics I know don’t attack Christians who don’t believe in speaking in tongues, or prophesying, or divine healing, etc., because they accept them as fellow believers even though they disagree with them theologically on many matters of doctrine.
Are you against those practices or manifestations of the Spirit too? Do you practice them (as a vessel of the Holy Spirit, and by His gifting), or consider them unbiblical as well?
I wonder it they also told her that she was now a god.
Follow the money.
Very sorry to see that you have set yourself up as judge and declared Bill Johnson as not a brother in the Lord and therefore excluded from the kingdom of God. I am curious where you get that authority, could you explain (from the Bible, please)?
I did read the article. You are so sure that you understand EXACTLY what Bill Johnson is saying from those quotes that you can label him a damnable heretic?
And yes, I encourage you to walk more fully in those things God has revealed to you (or illuminated from scripture) — however you designate, label, or otherwise articulate or understand the means and methods God communicates truth to you.
No you have decided what someone else believes by some reference to writings you disagree with
No, not that getting into Scripture is a waste of time, but some people expect others to do all their work for them.
I don’t like the attitude of people throwing around references of Scripture as if everyone has the entire Bible memorized.
It’s a courtesy to post the verse along with the reference and that way ONE person does the work, the one making the claim, and not everyone else.
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