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...A Concern for the Protestant “Solos”: Sola Fide, Sola Scriptura, Sola Gratia
Archdiocese of Washington ^ | 06-07-18 | Msgr. Charles Pope

Posted on 06/08/2018 8:54:57 AM PDT by Salvation

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To: boatbums

It is my opinion that the Catholic Church wrote, gathered, canonized, and preserved Sacred Scripture, through its teachings and traditions.


201 posted on 06/08/2018 7:47:55 PM PDT by G Larry (There is no great virtue in bargaining with the Devil)
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To: Fantasywriter
You skipped over my post #44 or you wouldn't have asked.

And as for the words of Christ:

Matt 24:12 And because of the increase of lawlessness, the love of many will grow cold. 13 But the one who endures to the end will be saved.

John 3:5 Jesus answered, “Very truly, I tell you, no one can enter the kingdom of God without being born of water and Spirit.
In His parting words to his disciples He said,

Mark 16:16 The one who believes and is baptized will be saved; but the one who does not believe will be condemned.

Matt 5:17 “Do not think that I have come to abolish the law or the prophets; I have come not to abolish but to fulfill. 18 For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth pass away, not one letter, not one stroke of a letter, will pass from the law until all is accomplished. 19 Therefore, whoever breaks one of the least of these commandments, and teaches others to do the same, will be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever does them and teaches them will be called great in the kingdom of heaven. 20 For I tell you, unless your righteousness exceeds that of the scribes and Pharisees, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven.

Matt 16:27 “For the Son of Man is to come with his angels in the glory of his Father, and then he will repay everyone for what has been done.

Matt 19:16 Then someone came to him and said, “Teacher, what good deed must I do to have eternal life?” 17 And he said to him, “Why do you ask me about what is good? There is only one who is good. If you wish to enter into life, keep the commandments.”

Matt 22:37 He said to him, “‘You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind.’ 38 This is the greatest and first commandment. 39 And a second is like it: ‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself.’ 40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.” Matt 24:12 And because of the increase of lawlessness, the love of many will grow cold. 13 But the one who endures to the end will be saved.

Matt 25:21 His master said to him, ‘Well done, good and trustworthy slave; you have been trustworthy in a few things, I will put you in charge of many things; enter into the joy of your master.’

202 posted on 06/08/2018 7:52:25 PM PDT by G Larry (There is no great virtue in bargaining with the Devil)
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To: G Larry; Luircin; metmom; aMorePerfectUnion
Christ never told his disciples to write Scripture, he told them to teach and preach all that I have taught you.

Then the Lord said to Moses, “Write this in a book as a memorial and recite it to Joshua, that I will utterly blot out the memory of Amalek from under heaven.” Exodus 17:14 NASB

Now the Lord said to Moses, “Cut out for yourself two stone tablets like the former ones, and I will write on the tablets the words that were on the former tablets which you shattered. Exodus 34:1 NASB

Then the Lord said to Moses, “Write down these words, for in accordance with these words I have made a covenant with you and with Israel.” Exodus 34:27 NASB

I will write on the tablets the words that were on the former tablets which you shattered, and you shall put them in the ark.’ Deut 10:2

Do not let kindness and truth leave you; Bind them around your neck, Write them on the tablet of your heart. Proverbs 3:3 NASB

but that we write to them that they abstain from things contaminated by idols and from fornication and from what is strangled and from blood. Acts 15:20 NASB

For we write nothing else to you than what you read and understand, and I hope you will understand until the end; 2 Corinthians 1:13 NASB

1Inasmuch as many have undertaken to compile an account of the things accomplished among us, 2just as they were handed down to us by those who from the beginning were eyewitnesses and servants of the word, 3it seemed fitting for me as well, having investigated everything carefully from the beginning, to write it out for you in consecutive order, most excellent Theophilus; 4so that you may know the exact truth about the things you have been taught. Luke 1:1-4 NASB

13These things I have written to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, so that you may know that you have eternal life. 1 John 5:13 NASB

Not to mention all the other places in the NT and OT where people were either moved to write or told to write.

Guess these guys were just bored sitting around with nothing to do?

203 posted on 06/08/2018 7:54:05 PM PDT by ealgeone
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To: MHGinTN

Sonny, have you ever tried following a thread?

Are you really trying to elevate the Book of Revelation to a Gospel?

I made very clear early on that Christ never instructed his disciples to reduce his teachings to writing. Rather he told them to go and preach to all nations.

Revelations is NOT about teaching the Gospels to the nations.
It is about warnings of things to come.


204 posted on 06/08/2018 7:56:59 PM PDT by G Larry (There is no great virtue in bargaining with the Devil)
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To: G Larry

That was one of the least responsive answers I’ve ever received.


205 posted on 06/08/2018 7:57:07 PM PDT by Fantasywriter (Any attempt to do forensic work using Internet artifacts is fraught with pitfalls. JoeProbono)
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To: Luircin; Salvation; G Larry; metmom; aMorePerfectUnion; boatbums; Mom MD
If you say that Scripture was compiled according to ‘tradition,’ that means that they only put things into it that matched what they had been taught: IE, canon.

And now you’re getting upset at us that we’re using this measure to test Rome’s theology, and Rome’s theology is coming up so painfully short that you have to argue AGAINST the Scripture that YOU claimed that they assembled.

Of all the things I've seen that rile up the Roman Catholics the most is when their false doctrines are compared to Scripture.

The one that really stirs the pot is the Immaculate Conception.

Indeed....Rome's own Catholic Encyclopedia online admits: No direct or categorical and stringent proof of the dogma can be brought forward from Scripture.

Rome claims their doctrines/"traditions" are derived from Scripture....yet this dogma, which RCs have to believe, is admitted not to be found in Scripture.

But Rome cannot back down and admit their error on this. If they did, it would practically destroy the Roman Catholic church as it has invested so heavily in the worship of Mary.

206 posted on 06/08/2018 8:00:29 PM PDT by ealgeone
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To: G Larry

I haven’t the slightest idea what you just accused me of this time around, unless you’re still accusing me of teaching NOT to do good works.

Which is false, and also against the RF rules against mind-reading.

But I recommend that you stop trying to read my mind, take a deep breath, take a break, and come back later when you’re not so angry.


207 posted on 06/08/2018 8:00:39 PM PDT by Luircin
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To: ealgeone

https://carm.org/manuscript-evidence

NT was well documented in the 1st century....


208 posted on 06/08/2018 8:01:19 PM PDT by Manly Warrior (US ARMY (Ret), "No Free Lunches for the Dogs of War")
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To: Luircin

That last request might be a while!


209 posted on 06/08/2018 8:01:21 PM PDT by ealgeone
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To: G Larry; boatbums
It is my opinion that the Catholic Church wrote, gathered, canonized, and preserved Sacred Scripture, through its teachings and traditions.

And your opinion has been shown to be in error.

211 posted on 06/08/2018 8:03:19 PM PDT by ealgeone
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To: G Larry; ealgeone

Your abusive posting and flame baiting has just been reported.


212 posted on 06/08/2018 8:03:38 PM PDT by Luircin
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To: G Larry; MHGinTN; Luircin; metmom; boatbums; Mom MD; aMorePerfectUnion
Are you really trying to elevate the Book of Revelation to a Gospel?

Are you saying some books of the NT are "worth" more than others??

213 posted on 06/08/2018 8:04:57 PM PDT by ealgeone
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To: ealgeone

In fact, as I recall, Revelation is the only book that promises a blessing for reading it.


214 posted on 06/08/2018 8:07:28 PM PDT by Mom MD ( .)
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To: Salvation

If I had to choose between God’s Word or religion of any flavor, I am choosing His Word EVERY TIME

Religion is bondage. God’s Truth MAKES you free.


215 posted on 06/08/2018 8:07:30 PM PDT by Kandy Atz ("Were we directed from Washington when to sow and when to reap, we should soon want for bread.")
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To: G Larry
Well Johnny come lately, must not have started at post 24.

No, I've been following the thread. Just now catching up to you. Which I see not much has changed in your approach. It is a temperament I'm noticing with many Roman Catholics though.

We have already excluded God’s instruction to the prophets in the OT.

Not sure who this "we" is you're discussing.

However, I haven't.

You may want to go back and read....or re-read the OT.

216 posted on 06/08/2018 8:09:48 PM PDT by ealgeone
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To: Mom MD

And IIRC a warning for adding to it.


218 posted on 06/08/2018 8:10:30 PM PDT by ealgeone
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To: ealgeone

“But Rome cannot back down and admit their error on this. If they did, it would practically destroy the Roman Catholic church as it has invested so heavily in the worship of Mary.”

+1


219 posted on 06/08/2018 8:11:58 PM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion
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To: ealgeone

What are you talking about?

You haven’t “followed” anything.

The discussion has been about the fact that Christ, in the Gospels, NEVER instructed His disciples to “write” anything. Rather He instructed them to “teach” and “preach”.


220 posted on 06/08/2018 8:13:15 PM PDT by G Larry (There is no great virtue in bargaining with the Devil)
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