The Neverending Story (The Christian Chronicles)

Associated Press ^ | 3/24/01

[malakhi]

The Neverending Story
An ongoing debate on Scripture, Tradition, History and Interpretation.

Statesmen may plan and speculate for liberty, but it is religion and morality alone which can establish the principles upon which freedom can securely stand. The only foundation of a free constitution is pure virtue. - John Adams

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[JHavard]

I was kind of wondering about that...have you ever seen any indication that the last supper was using unleavened bread?

I doubt they would have been able to find any that wasn't unleavened, in Jerusalem at the Passover, do you?

JH

[DouglasKC]

I doubt they would have been able to find any that wasn't unleavened, in Jerusalem at the Passover, do you?

Doh! Yeah, i thought of that about 3 seconds before I read you response.. :-)

[PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain]

LOL! Somebody better tell them to set their "Latest" page to 'Articles' rather than 'Posts'.

Most of them might wind up in here when they find out that trike they have been ridding has a flat. :)

BigMack

[malakhi]

From old thread:

What's wrong with this thread?

The post sequence was messed up from last fall when FR was having server problems. The new software corrected the sequencing, but caused the posts not to appear until three posts later. Rather than bother John Robinson with this annoying problem, we chucked the old thread and set up camp over here.

[israelite98]

I prefer churches that preach and teach against abortion and don't cover up for child molesters. It's not an either/or thing, you know.

Mt 26:65 - Then the high priest tore his robes, and said, "He has uttered blasphemy. Why do we still need witnesses? You have now heard his blasphemy. ;^)

[israelite98]

so they prefer it to be pure fruit of the vine, and not defiled in any way.

????

2Ti 3:5 - holding the form of religion but denying the power of it. Avoid such people.

oi\noß a primary word (or perhaps of Hebrew origin (03196))
Definition
wine
metaph. fiery wine of God's wrath

Mr 2:22 And no man putteth new wine into old bottles: else the new wine doth burst the bottles, and the wine is spilled, and the bottles will be marred: but new wine must be put into new bottles.
Mr 15:23 And they gave him to drink wine mingled with myrrh: but he received it not.
Lu 1:15 For he shall be great in the sight of the Lord, and shall drink neither wine nor strong drink; and he shall be filled with the Holy Ghost, even from his mother's womb.
Lu 5:37 And no man putteth new wine into old bottles; else the new wine will burst the bottles, and be spilled, and the bottles shall perish.
Lu 5:38 But new wine must be put into new bottles; and both are preserved.
Lu 5:39 No man also having drunk old wine straightway desireth new: for he saith, The old is better.
Lu 7:33 For John the Baptist came neither eating bread nor drinking wine; and ye say, He hath a devil.
Lu 10:34 And went to him, and bound up his wounds, pouring in oil and wine, and set him on his own beast, and brought him to an inn, and took care of him.
Joh 2:3 And when they wanted wine, the mother of Jesus saith unto him, They have no wine.
Joh 2:9 * When the ruler of the feast had tasted the water that was made wine, and knew not whence it was : (but the servants which drew the water knew;) the governor of the feast called the bridegroom,
Joh 2:10 And saith unto him, Every man at the beginning doth set forth good wine; and when men have well drunk, then that which is worse: but thou hast kept the good wine until now.
Joh 4:46 So Jesus came again into Cana of Galilee, where he made the water wine. And there was a certain nobleman, whose son was sick at Capernaum.
Ro 14:21 It is good neither to eat flesh, nor to drink wine, nor any thing whereby * * thy brother stumbleth, or is offended, or is made weak.
Eph 5:18 And be not drunk with wine, wherein * * is excess; but be filled with the Spirit;
1Ti 3:8 Likewise must the deacons be grave, not doubletongued, not given to much wine, not greedy of filthy lucre;
1Ti 5:23 Drink no longer water, but use a little wine for thy stomach's sake and thine often infirmities.

[IMRight]

Jesus Christ is Risen Today! Alleluia!

He is Risen! Alleluia!

[IMRight]

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Sorry angelo. That was to everyone.

A glorious Easter to you all!

[american colleen]

A Happy and Joyous Easter to all of you, a wonderful Passover to you Angelo.

Angelo, thanks for directing me to the "search" facility... after a little fooling around with the new format it isn't so bad. What are you gonna do anyway?

I like the new Neverending room - decorated very tastefully, IMO. Is the corner with the statue of Our Lady of Lourdes for the Catholics to hang out in?

[Iowegian]

On that morning, almost 2000 years ago, when they heard the news and rushed to the tomb and found it empty and found the burial clothes there, some believed immediately, but many did not. They needed to see Jesus, in the flesh resurrected in order to believe.

Then Jesus told him, "Because you have seen me, you have believed; blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed." John 20:29

All of us today, who believe in His resurrection, have this blessing.

[Wordsmith]

Hi angelo, good work! I like the new digs. And a blessed and glorious Resurrection celebration to all you non-Orthodox!

Christ is risen from the dead,

Trampling down death by death,

and upon those in the tombs bestowing life!

Much refreshed from my hiatus from the thread, and I wish you all well. I'll pop in occasionally. :)

About 5 years ago there was a conference among conservative Evangelicals, Catholics, and Orthodox. I'm reading a book about it, called "Reclaiming the Great Tradition." Couple of great quotes from the introduction seem appropriate for the discussion:

The words “ecumenical” and “traditional” were to be seen in a certain sense as in tension, concern for the former having so often gone hand in hand with a neglect of the latter. In fact someone suggested early in the planning that our slogan should be “Let all the antiecumenical forces of the Christian world unite!”

Father Richard John Neuhaus captured the spirit of our thinking in the opening address when he observed that in many cases “our unity in the truth is more evident in our quarreling about the truth than in our settling for something less than the truth..”

CS Lewis writes, “It is at her center, where her truest children dwell, that each communion is really closest to every other in spirit, if not in doctrine. And this suggests that at the center of each there is something, or a Someone, who against all divergences of belief, all differences of temperament, all memories of mutual persecution, speaks with the same voice.”

The person who is struggling to love God with his entire heart, soul and mind, who is intent on following the shortest path to this center, simply does not have the time to consider other paths than his own. And when he is forced to, when the presence of other paths can no longer be ignored, often the only way to keep them from interfering with his focus on Christ is to reject them as errors…The only alternative in such a case is indifference, and indifference means spiritual death. It is with good reason that we put blinders on a horse if we mean for it to plow a straight row…We need to be careful that our busyness around the ecumenical household does not distract us, like Martha, from “the one thing…needful” (Lk 10:42).

Christ makes it clear that the interiority of real Christian union is not the same as the inwardness of pious feeling or tolerant sentiment. True unity will come instead only in the interior of God himself and to the measure that we are drawn into his trinitarian life.

[Iowegian]

I offer that only as a helpful suggestion, it's your church and I don't pretend to think I should have any say in how things are run. The question is, will your hierarchy listen to the average RC who wants something done to change in order to avoid these tragedies in the future (such as getting rid of homosexual priests), or will they continue to lord it over you all and pretend that everything is fine and that they know best?

[MarMema]

Christ is risen from the dead,
Trampling down death by death,
and upon those in the tombs bestowing life!

Trying to get in a little early celebrating, I see. :-)

[Khepera]

Easter is fun, fun is good. Borrowing a phrase from the hoosier lottery.

[Wordsmith]

Trying to get in a little early celebrating, I see. :-)

Absolutely! It's tough being Orthodox in a Christian sub-culture on another calendar. And this weekend is the first really Spring-like weekend we've had in New England. 5 more weeks until Pascha is tough. Sigh... ;)

[OLD REGGIE]

You have freepmail.

[OLD REGGIE]

[MozartLover]

HAPPY EASTER TO THE CHRISTIAN CHRONICLES GANG!

.....FROM AN OCCASIONAL LURKER.:)