Roses are red
Violets are blue
Even with spell check
I look like a fool
What ya think rest??? Should I frame it:>))))
Posted on 04/13/2002 1:33:01 PM PDT by fortheDeclaration
that "excuse" seems a valid violation to the moderator -take it up with him/her
Roses are red
Violets are blue
Even with spell check
I look like a fool
What ya think rest??? Should I frame it:>))))
LOL..good night rev
Am I now? Let's go to Romans 9, since that's where the core of the "election" debate begins.
These words, with those of Malachi, Jacob have I loved, and Esau have I hated, are cited by the apostle to prove, according to their typical signification, that the purpose of God, according to election, does and will stand, not of works, but of him that calleth; that is, that the purpose of God, which is the ground of that election which he makes among men, unto the honour of being Abraham's seed, might appear to remain unchangeable in him; and to be even the same which he had declared unto Abraham. That these words are used in a national and not in a personal sense, is evident from this: that, taken in the latter sense they are not true, for Jacob never did exercise any power over Esau, nor was Esau ever subject to him. Jacob, on the contrary, was rather subject to Esau, and was sorely afraid of him; and, first, by his messengers, and afterwards personally, acknowledged his brother to be his lord, and himself to be his servant; see #Ge 32:4; 33:8, 13. And hence it appears that neither Esau nor Jacob, nor even their posterities, are brought here by the apostle as instances of any personal reprobation from eternity: for, it is very certain that very many, if not the far greatest part, of Jacob's posterity were wicked, and rejected by God; and it is not less certain that some of Esau's posterity were partakers of the faith of their father Abraham. ...That no personal, absolute, eternal reprobation of Esau can have been intended, we learn from this; that he was most amply reconciled to his brother, who had so deeply wronged and offended him, by depriving him of his birthright and his blessing: and his having forgiven his brother his trespasses, was no mean proof that God had forgiven him. See our Lord's words, #Mt 6:14. Therefore there can be assigned no competent ground of his damnation, much less of his personal reprobation from all eternity.(Clarke's Commentary on Ro. 9:12)
I have loved Jacob—With a peculiar love; that is, the Israelites, the posterity of Jacob; and I have comparatively hated Esau—That is, the Edomites, the posterity of Esau. But observe, 1st, This does not relate to the person of Jacob or Esau: 2d, Nor does it relate to the eternal state either of them or their posterity. Thus far the apostle has been proving his proposition, namely, that the exclusion of a great part of the seed of Abraham, yea, and of Isaac, from the special promises of God, was so far from being impossible, that, according to the Scriptures themselves, it had actually happened. And his intent herein, as appears from verses 30-33, (which passage is a key to the whole chapter,) is evidently to show, that as God before chose Jacob, who represented the Jews, and admitted him and his posterity to peculiar privileges, above the Gentiles, without any merit in him or them to deserve it; so now, (the Jews through their unbelief having rejected the Messiah, and being justly therefore themselves rejected of God,) he had chosen the Gentiles, represented by Esau, to be his peculiar people; according to the prediction of Hosea, I will call them my people, &c., cited verse 25, where see the note; and that without any thing on their part to deserve this favour. It was entirely free with respect both to them and Jacob, God's mercy and goodness preventing, not the endeavour only, but even the will of both. As, before Jacob either willed or strove for it, the blessing was designed of God for him; so, before ever the Gentiles sought after God, the blessings of Christ's kingdom were designed for them. Yet it does not follow that all who are called Christians, and enjoy outward church privileges, shall be finally saved, any more than it is to be concluded that all the Jews were saved before Christ came in the flesh, on account of their privileges.(Benson's Commentary on Ro. 9:9-13)
This is like saying a Christian is not a saint because the apostles were addressing groups of Christians in calling them "saints."
Huh?
Besides, Romans 16:13 actually says "Salute Rufus, chosen in the Lord."
ton eklekon, one of great excellence in Christianity; a choice man, as we would say. So the word eklekton often signifies. #Ps 78:31: They smote toun eklektoun, the chosen men that were of Israel. So eklekta mnemeia are choice sepulchres, #Ge 23:6: eklekta ton doron choice gifts, #De 12:11; and andren eklektoi, choice men, #Jud 20:16. By the same use of the word, the companions of Paul and Barnabas are termed chosen men, eklexamenoun andran, persons in whom the Church of God could confide. See Whitby.(Clarke's Commentary on Ro. 16:13)
all this nonsense aside - I have to laugh at some point - this is like the old warner brother cartoon where foghorn leghorn and the wolf battle all day - then punch out on the time clock at 5pm the best of friends - we may bullwhip each other - but you are appreciated
I didnt understand what he was talking about regarding using the term "demons" after the apology - and quite frankly scratched my head - Ive called them demons before, but did not use the word after his sincere apology. Which leads me to conclude, he is dyslexic, or intentionally misrepresented the word.
Here is an older post in which I used the same word :
Minster charged with having sex with teen Posted by Revelation 911 to ArrogantBustard On News/Activism Mar 14 6:03 PM #81 of 83
you also need to consider - that "sort" of people have come to some understanding as to why it was established by the denom in the first place - I want "queers" (as you so lovingly call them) in seminary as much as you do - it blasphemes the faith. Was celibacy instituted to accomplish the same goal? - I think not - and Im confident you know that.
So, there we are - Id ask for an apology, but I am so annoyed with his rank contentiousness that it is best left alone.
He never said those things, and he never said demon--he said denom--shorthand for denomination.
Try reading the posts before you react to them.
Could we spend the day finding all the wonderful verses on Loving one another, and also what it means to forgive?
Today lets have a big welcome for the spirit of the Lord.
Should someone bark, we will pet him, and if he continues we don't know him, until he invites the spirit of the Lord in his post:)
The heavens declare the glory of God; and the firmament sheweth his handywork.
Day unto day uttereth speech, and night unto night sheweth knowledge.
There is no speech nor language, where their voice is not heard.
Their line is gone out through all the earth, and their words to the end of the world. In them hath he set a tabernacle for the sun,
Which is as a bridegroom coming out of his chamber, and rejoiceth as a strong man to run a race.
His going forth is from the end of the heaven, and his circuit unto the ends of it: and there is nothing hid from the heat thereof.
The law of the LORD is perfect, converting the soul: the testimony of the LORD is sure, making wise the simple.
The statutes of the LORD are right, rejoicing the heart: the commandment of the LORD is pure, enlightening the eyes.
The fear of the LORD is clean, enduring for ever: the judgments of the LORD are true and righteous altogether.
More to be desired are they than gold, yea, than much fine gold: sweeter also than honey and the honeycomb.
Moreover by them is thy servant warned: and in keeping of them there is great reward.
Who can understand his errors? cleanse thou me from secret faults.
Keep back thy servant also from presumptuous sins; let them not have dominion over me:
then shall I be upright, and I shall be innocent from the great transgression.
Let the words of my mouth, and the meditation of my heart, be acceptable in thy sight,
O LORD, my strength, and my redeemer.
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Yes rest - I merely posted this morning to shed some light on the subject and show the term as it was used and HAS been used before
Funny winston cause the 5 words or less are straight out of the Bible, you know, word for word. Admit it, you don't have a clue what the GOSPEL is. If you did, you would have immediately posted it.
So, tell me, what words of man do you use and call a "gospel?" Is it your wierd gospel where Jesus is standing at the door to a perverse heart and hoping against the scripture itself that somehow from the abundance of a perverse heart that the person will bring forth the treasure of righteousness?
Hey, here's a thought: Do you believe like ftd that the gospel changes over time?
Oh, BTW, you might find this interesting, given that you seem to be waiting for all the planets to come into perfect alignment before you begin to share your manmade gospel: Evidently over the next few days several of the planets will come into a perfect triangle alignment which will be visible in the night sky. The last time this occured was 2000 years ago. So, here's your big change to spread your manmade message...
As for me, I'll stick to the gospel found in the Bible that I preached last night...
It’s a good and lovely start, lets lift our Spirit as often as we can as we post. Even though we are of different faiths, could we address each other in language of the Lord Brother and Sister and remember who we are a child of God.
Is it not the presents of the lord that edifies us, not our judging one another?
Could we allow the Lord to consider who is of him or not, for in the end he has the final word.
You were abbreviating? Geez! Well, then I am sorry. Please make your abbreviations clear in the future.
And, if Mom has apologized and I have apologized on behalf of Calvinist, then please tell me why you have refused to apolozied for:
saying Calvinist are "humped up on your leg like a frothing dog"and Calvinists are "animals"
Sister Rest:)
Wrong, he said everything exactly as I quoted him.
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