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Bible Believers Resource | Unknown | Andrew Telford

Posted on 04/13/2002 1:33:01 PM PDT by fortheDeclaration

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"By this shall all men know that ye are my disciples, if ye have love one to another."

I suppose if one were a Clinton protege or a Pharisee one might try to more closely define "one to another" or in other words ask the question, "but who is my neighbor?"

1,781 posted on 05/01/2002 8:09:33 AM PDT by Some hope remaining.
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To: Some hope remaining;ShadowAce;CCWoody;Revelation 911;RnMomof7;scottiewottie;Cubicleguy...
This is a good thought and if one can't think of another as their Brother or Sister, than the Lord said to love thy neighbor, so friend or amigo is another good address
1,782 posted on 05/01/2002 8:14:36 AM PDT by restornu
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To: drstevej
Are Baptists a once saved always saved group?

My little brother returned like a dog to his vomit. He is irresistably drawn to hell, with all those other 'nice' people.

1,783 posted on 05/01/2002 8:51:23 AM PDT by scottiewottie
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To: Some hope remaining.
Morning!

Look at it this way, it could be a debate about Harry Potter!

1,784 posted on 05/01/2002 9:14:55 AM PDT by scottiewottie
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To: scottiewottie
"Are Baptists a once saved always saved group?"

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Depends upon the baptist group. A genuinely saved person is no longer a dog, he/she's a lamb.

1,785 posted on 05/01/2002 9:20:08 AM PDT by drstevej
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To: drstevej
Depends upon the baptist group.

Why am I NOT surprised!

BTW- The 'dog to his vomit'(Proverbs 26:11, 2 Peter 2:22) was for your entertainment. We welcomed him as the prodigal son.

Lambs!? I seriously wonder why you thought you needed to tell me that?

1,786 posted on 05/01/2002 9:54:05 AM PDT by scottiewottie
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To: scottiewottie
LOL!! Nevermind! I figured it out. You still think my brother is a Baptist!! I guess you failed to read "My brother finally, got it."
1,787 posted on 05/01/2002 10:04:03 AM PDT by scottiewottie
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To: scottiewottie
I guess the implication of your question is if your brother got saved during the time he was a Baptist he should continue to be saved even though he's now back in the LDS church. Hmm, makes me wonder if I should do the same thing... :)
1,788 posted on 05/01/2002 11:18:59 AM PDT by Some hope remaining.
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To: Some hope remaining.
I got sprinkle in the Presbyterian Church when I was young am I saved by the drops?
1,789 posted on 05/01/2002 11:51:37 AM PDT by restornu
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To: CCWoody;xzins;winstonchurchill;forthedeclaration;admin moderator;shadow ace;corin stormhands...
Please make your abbreviations clear in the future.

try reading without the log

And, if Mom has apologized and I have apologized on behalf of Calvinist, then please tell me why you have refused to apolozied for:

saying Calvinist are "humped up on your leg like a frothing dog"

again, not an accurate quote - look youve misquoted it, twisted it and changed it to suit your needs for the last time - what I actually said was Hey - he knows where Im coming from - Free Grace baby - Wesley made it quite clear - why I need to rehash it with a hammer wielding "christian" eludes me - but if you want to go there - we CAN play that pissing game all day if you want... in the end solving NOTHING - as he - (and apparently you) have no desire to discourse calmly and in a demeanor befitting the subject matter. As for misrepresenting thier comments - Its plainly apparent to all (with open minds) exactly what is happening here. - I came into that topic with an open mind, got dusted up a bit and ended by offering prayer - just as I did throughout the discourse.

Ive yet to see any real Christ like attitudes in trying to sway me as a "lost" brother - Instead the leg of Calvinism is humped like a frothing pinscher. C'mon - sway me with brotherly love - point being you can't - and for that I'll pray.

- youve frothed, youve bitten, you plainly have difficulty reading the difference between "denom" and "demon" - therefore you run with the pack and have shared the same fleas - I find it amusing you get pious a month later and only when brother doc takes a lashing for spewage to DBK. No, that one stands on its own legs as it is my own opinion to which I am completely entitled. If you recall, you stated I am mentally unbalanced or unstable, which (while possibly accurate given the thorazine treatments), is entirely your opinion-

God allows me to hate evil - what you people practice in the name of Christianity is evil. Hence, I hate the construct as you hate "satanic" arminianism

What I have done, is precisely the same doc has done repeatedly by calling arminianism "satanic". He spoke to the group, as do I - there is no individual personal attack in those comments.

regarding your other complaint.

and Calvinists are "animals"

What kind of person drags an innocent person (someones wife) into a fracas? surely not a rational one, or one that purports to debate on the "playing field of truth". OP got suspended twice, doc is close, youve had posts pulled, as has Ma, I proved Jean was lying about the dog quote, yet I have to apologize? - the rationale escapes me. I will however rephrase it. HYPER Calvinists are animals, (my apologies to rational Calvinists, rhesus monkeys, small crawly things and Lorraine B.) I assume you are a "regular" calvinist. Now again, note the construct of the comment. Just as OP calls my faith "spiritual crack cocaine" in a non specific manner, my animal comment was put forth in the same manner.

Rather we need to look at how calvinists degenerate into personal attacks regarding mental accuity and attacks upon others spouses, with whom they hold a doctrinal beef.

I ping the admin moderator, so that he or she can assess my comments and address them as seen fit.

1,790 posted on 05/01/2002 12:10:48 PM PDT by Revelation 911
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To: Revelation 911
God allows me to hate evil - what you people practice in the name of Christianity is evil.

Amen

Through thy precepts I get understanding, therefore I hate every false way (Ps.119:104)

1,791 posted on 05/01/2002 12:54:16 PM PDT by fortheDeclaration
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To: fortheDeclaration
Ephesians 5:11 Have nothing to do with the fruitless deeds of darkness, but rather expose them.

Psalm 97:10 Let those who love the Lord hate evil, for he guards the lives of his faithful ones and delivers them from the hand of the wicked.

1,792 posted on 05/01/2002 1:15:34 PM PDT by Revelation 911
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To: Revelation 911
Ephesians 5:11 Have nothing to do with the fruitless deeds of darkness, but rather expose them. Psalm 97:10 Let those who love the Lord hate evil, for he guards the lives of his faithful ones and delivers them from the hand of the wicked.

Amen! Like I told corin stormhands, it seems that all I am doing today is 'Amening':>)

1,793 posted on 05/01/2002 1:21:42 PM PDT by fortheDeclaration
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To: Revelation 911
Rev even though we had exchanged FR mail on this topic I have to tell you I read it like Woody did..I usually use Demo as the abbreviation....this has been a terrible mixup!!
1,794 posted on 05/01/2002 1:56:27 PM PDT by RnMomof7
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To: Revelation 911
I ping the admin moderator, so that he or she can assess my comments and address them as seen fit.

I am a grown up and I hate censorship..no way I would seek advance approval..

1,795 posted on 05/01/2002 1:57:56 PM PDT by RnMomof7
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To: scottiewottie
My little brother returned like a dog to his vomit. He is irresistably drawn to hell, with all those other 'nice' people.

We see false conversionas all the time..that is the problem with the Arminian churches.

and the answer is no

1,796 posted on 05/01/2002 2:00:36 PM PDT by RnMomof7
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To: RnMomof7
....this has been a terrible mixup!!

for woody, yes - and while I am not privy to the calvin clique abbreviations, I think the context of the abbreviation all but defined the word for him. Can we just drop the whole thing?

1,797 posted on 05/01/2002 2:31:29 PM PDT by Revelation 911
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To: RnMomof7
conversionas

is this the way your "demon" spells "conversions"? - ;{) LOL

1,798 posted on 05/01/2002 2:34:33 PM PDT by Revelation 911
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To: Revelation 911
Writing in tongues?
1,799 posted on 05/01/2002 2:55:34 PM PDT by scottiewottie
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To: RnMomof7
So how many good works do you need to see before the person has proven his persistence?

My brother was drinking quite heavy, did use some illegal drugs, and these things were influencing his life and job. So on the advise of a co-worker some good Baptists took him in and he cleaned up his personal and professional life.

He really did start reading the Bible. He quit attending the LDS church around age 16, so he had only done some reading before that. He had never studied the Bible or read any of our scriptures on his own.

So now my brother seemed by all observations to be thriving in the Word of God quite well.

So again, the question how can you tell who the fakers are?

1,800 posted on 05/01/2002 3:04:46 PM PDT by scottiewottie
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