Posted on 05/07/2002 10:20:28 AM PDT by CCWoody
Oh, yes, I forgot that you believe Christ's Blood was shed in vain. And you say we Calvinists limit the Atonement.
Humans will be in the Lake of Fire for their sins, which Christ perfectly foreknew before the foundation of the world. Yet, you still insist that Christ actually covered ALL of those sins. And you claim that God will punish people who are 100% forgiven for all eternity.
And you are clearly asserting with the rest of you post that God will throw people who have been perfected forever into hell.
It's real easy to believe this: I can read and understand English - no matter how old it is.......
We Calvinists have not presumed to say how many professing Christians are lost after all. So, xzins has misrepresented us in his "Nazi accusation" post.
We just think that the mess of spurious conversion has become what I would call "unknowably bad." And this is because of the theology which people like xzins are clinging to.
Note: the word "you" in the following post is a general "you"--not a specific "you."
You know, when non-Calvnists were saying that about the Calvinists, we were summarily dismissed as not knowing what we were talking about. This was all in truth, so it was obviously done in love, correct? We were then given examples of Christ and the Pharisees and how He treated them, and you implied that your actions were just perfectly Christ-like.
We were ridiculed as being too lovey-dovey, too soft on error, enablers of sin and other much worse things. Now, you are complaining about the exact same things we were. Aren't you just being a little too lovey-dovey?
Unfortunately killing the messenger is today's theme. We'll see it played over and over and over, probably throughout the weekend.
You just can't say it, can you?
Christ died for God....
Yes, it is real easy to read and understand English. Unfortunately, you are not doing it. Notice, that I have quit debating with you. You see, I simply will not waste my time with someone who believes that Christ shed vain blood and that He purposefully covered and remitted ALL sins for one whom He would then trample in His fury. My Lord is not double minded nor does He love a false balance.
Your scriptural errors are more than I have either the time or patience for. Plus, I'm pretty repulsed by your view and think it is disgusting. Make out of that whatever you will.
I wrote a personal note to the "father"..But that did not stop your friends from following me around (in fact one alluded to it today)...Xzins called us nazis..direct and he knew what he was doing.
He gets no pass from me.
Interesting point carton. In Christ's human nature, could he have chosen a different path? If not, what was the point of the temptation? If not, what was the point of his prayer?
And he went a little farther, and fell on his face, and prayed, saying, O my Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me: nevertheless not as I will, but as thou wilt.
- Matthew 26:39
The God part of Jesus knew the cross was necessary. The human part of Jesus chose to go forward with it.
In the Cross, in the willing sacrifice of the Son of God... in the complete obedience and total surrender of the Son... is the true picture of Sonship.
The Son lives for the Father. He surrendered totally to the will of the Father... choosing to fulfill the will of God no matter the price to Himself, instead of escaping what God asked of Him. The Father and He were one and the same because the Son didn't want anything else but the Father. Every word, every movement, every parable and every sermon, every breath, every look, everything was centered in the Father. It is unfathomable. Just trying to type it leaves me shipwrecked... there are not enough words to convey the depth of love, devotion, and joy the Son had for the Father (and visa versa).
What I like to do when I read the Gospels is to watch Him. In His actions with others. So much of His true glory is revealed. To me, the Scriptures aren't a text book... they are a letter from home. In Jesus, I see my high calling. In Jesus, I see just how ruined man was. In Jesus, I see what He is making all of us.
The scriptures are a picture of the Son of God... who clothed in flesh, pitched His tent among us... opened wide the flaps and allowed us to see what no one had ever seen before. The Father perfectly reflected in the Son. It is better than a snapshot. Better than a photo album. So much can be seen in every phrase He utters and every thing He does.
The cross... here is love demonstrated. We have a tendency to make it man centered. What did it mean for me? Who is affected, who is not? Sometimes I think that shallows the sacrifice because we do not know what the cross meant to the Father and to the Son. To me, I can only know what the cross meant in it's "totality" when I see it reflected in the Father.
Christ died for God, and God was satisfied with Christ and has made Him Lord of all.
I dunno Shadow, if he knew any real Texans he'da said "y'all."
Just a little Friday afternoon fun Jerry. I'm sure your wife is a lovely woman - but I bet she'd spell it "y'all." ;-)
Lovey-dovey!!! Shadow, I'm guessing your age at 40-55. Am I even close? (Thanks for the support, BTW.)
If I'm the "whip du jour," they're probably wasting good heat. I GENERALLY only read the pings. None of the black leather crowd is pinging me to the whipping posts (pun intended.)
It's not a poorly chosen illustration....didn't I include a :-) ? If I didn't, I meant to -- so that makes it all right.
And......I didn't call anyone a nazi. I said that any god who'd preselect some to hell and also throw EVEN the ones who tried to believe in him into that hell would be LIKE the functionaries in a Nazi death camp in their dealings with common Jews and collaborator Jews; e.g. (Mengele, Goebbels, et al)
It's actually based on the recent calvinist questioning of every naysayer's salvation with the "not everyone who says to me Lord, Lord" type of verses.
I can't even handle thinking about that one.
;p)
Beware though.......
I'm repulsive.
I hope you don't think you've cornered the market on that...
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