Posted on 05/29/2002 7:49:02 PM PDT by xzins
I believe that what attracts them is that they don't trust their own beliefs and decisions to be saved. Thus, if all the decisions have been made for them, then they don't have to worry about growing in their faith. They don't have to learn anything, because God as already predetermined everything the believer is going to do. They don't trust themselves (or the Lord) to truly evangelize. They can say "Repent and believe!" to everyone, but they don't have to go after people who initially refuse them as those people are not "elect."
Excellent post, Gold, - dense with learning and logic. Ideologues will not be moved off their position. "Real" Marxists never capitulate to reality nor do "Real" Darwinists change their spots - like, Stephen Jay Gould did, they just rhetorically repackage the hoary "hopeful monster" theory as "punctuated Equilibrium," to account for their inability to provide convincing evidence for their putative "scientific" theory. No, any countervailing evidence to their ideology is reinterpreted to quell the possibility of cognitive dissonance.
This was lifted from that Armstroing debate. There are some on these threads that do think God is the author of evil. They think it ontologically ineluctable ( I know I could have written that differently but those words sound neat together)
never heard of him - Ive got two heroes - Jesus and the guy who invented plain red pizza (no cheese) with anchovies, possibly including the saint who created Linguine with white clam sauce, provolone, white wine, red wine, miller genuine draft, & doritos (only with french onion dip) - everything else is mans construct
shallower yet
Yeah - but my eyes hurt
plain english for us nine to fivers, or at least little tiny plain english translation at the bottom - besides, moneys too tight to be usin expensive words like that
I do not know your god LOL
Ok, Its a holdover from my Catholic days - self denial LOL - Ok maybe just a pinch on real goats milk romano -
You sir with all due respect are a child of the devil for suggesting as much ! ;)
Do you mean like these Jude was speaking of?
Jude 4 For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ.
12 These are spots in your feasts of charity, when they feast with you, feeding themselves without fear: clouds they are without water, carried about of winds; trees whose fruit withereth, without fruit, twice dead, plucked up by the roots;
13 Raging waves of the sea, foaming out their own shame; wandering stars, to whom is reserved the blackness of darkness for ever. 5 I will therefore put you in remembrance, though ye once knew this, how that the Lord, having saved the people out of the land of Egypt, afterward destroyed them that believed not.
6 And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.
7 Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.
8 Likewise also these filthy dreamers defile the flesh, despise dominion, and speak evil of dignities.
I resent your labelling me anything I am not a Calvinist. You and many others here attempt to box everyone in some nice convenient label so your rejection can be wholesale when we are fellow believers with you. You accuse of another interpretation then provide none for the scriptures I supplied. By doing these things you border on sinning against the children of God but not to worry, you are in good company here.
The above is from Young's Literal Translation of the passage of Jude in question.
long ago having been written beforehand to this judgement.....that certainly opens up different avenues of approach, doesn't it?
WRITTEN about long before to this judgement. In other words, this kind of judgement was written about long before for these kind of lacivious men. Nothing eerie, spookie there, was there?
Study the word ordained. Sometimes in order to obtain the proper meaning of words we look to other uses of the same word in scripture.
13:48 And when the Gentiles heard this, they were glad, and glorified the word of the Lord: and as many as were ordained to eternal life believed.
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