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Announcing the Catholic Freeper Locator List
June 14, 2002 | Romulus

Posted on 06/14/2002 8:24:23 AM PDT by Romulus

Yesterday's thread on the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops Summer Plenary Session. turned up a lot of Catholic FReepers suggesting that it's time for the faithful laity to get more visible and active in pressing for a restoration of right order in the Church. To that end, I've decided to develop and maintain a list of Catholic FReepers, sorted by state, as a resource for future activism. Some of us will wish to collaborate on future projects; others may simply find the list handy for purposes of fellowship. If you want to be on this list, please post your state (or overseas country) on this thread. I'll collate whatever comes in, and Askel5 will post the results on the ConSpiratio web site.

In posting your FR handle and location, you're not volunteering for anything except the chance of being contacted in the future. Whatever activism you then undertake is entirely up to you. For the record, I have no specific plan for this list, nor am I aware of anyone else's. It seems like something that needs to be done, however, and I'll wager the very existence of a good list will generate fruitful ideas.

If you prefer not to post your location, please bump the thread anyway. Thanks!


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To: katnip
No Crucifixes there anymore.

Bizarre. It is because Christ died for our sins that we are even here as believers.

51 posted on 06/14/2002 10:23:33 AM PDT by Salvation
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To: Romulus
Catholic by choice, Texan by the grace of God. ;o)
(Truthfully, both by the grace of God)

Allen, Texas ... Diocese of Dallas.

52 posted on 06/14/2002 10:23:52 AM PDT by al_c
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To: Romulus
AZ- Phoenix diocese
53 posted on 06/14/2002 10:25:55 AM PDT by kstewskis
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To: Gophack
If my church moved the tabernacle ... which is on the altar, to the right of center ...

OK, I have a problem with this. My church is a modernish one (1958) that has the main altar and two small sides ... to the left and right of the main altar. The right side contains a statue of the BVM holding baby Jesus and Joseph alongside with his tools (and in front of this is where the large choir sings, but that is another story), and the other one used to have a statue that was removed and the Tabernacle was placed there on a small altar. Now, the main altar has grooves for the Tabernacle and both are made of the same marble... why move it? To me, it should be front and center... am I being too picky?

And you know... I miss votive candles.

54 posted on 06/14/2002 10:27:04 AM PDT by american colleen
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To: american colleen
I am really beginning to think that it is up to the lay faithful to keep traditional alive and well in the Church. I know it sounds trite to say we only have ourselves to blame, but it's true in some ways. I blame myself because for nearly 20 years I rarely went to mass (I was a Christmas/Easter Catholic). That's 20 years where my prayers could have been joined with others to strengthen the church.

Now that we are seeing these problems, we can do something about it. The first is to know the rules, the second is to learn diplomacy, and the third is to never give up.

55 posted on 06/14/2002 10:27:56 AM PDT by Gophack
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To: american colleen
My church was remodelled because of growth about 10 years ago, before I started attending. The altar is in the center of the church, and the tabernacle is not directly behind it, but to the right, and directly to the right of the crucifix. It is prominently displayed, I feel, even more a focal point than some of the older, traditional churches. It the tabernacle were directly behind the altar, it would be blocked by the priest and block the crucifix.

Hard to explain ... but I think the placement in my church is perfect.

56 posted on 06/14/2002 10:31:19 AM PDT by Gophack
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To: Romulus
Pennsylvania
57 posted on 06/14/2002 10:37:03 AM PDT by Domestic Church
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To: Romulus
Camden, NJ
58 posted on 06/14/2002 10:40:55 AM PDT by Antoninus
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To: Romulus
Florida
59 posted on 06/14/2002 10:44:00 AM PDT by Catholicguy
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To: Romulus
Minnesota. Our bishop is Archbishop Harry Flynn... :o(
60 posted on 06/14/2002 10:47:01 AM PDT by redhead
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To: Romulus
Rochester, NY
61 posted on 06/14/2002 10:47:39 AM PDT by victim soul
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To: Romulus
California
62 posted on 06/14/2002 10:48:50 AM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: katnip
All Catholic Churches in the world have a crucifix

Since some churches are dispensing the crucifix on the main altar, inquiring minds would like to know, the number of scandals per church with the crucifix missing. After all, if you remove that which is most precious to the Catholic faith...wouldn't that contribute to erratic behaviour? He, Jesus, is not present therefore anything goes, would that be their attitude?

Diocese of Trenton, NJ

63 posted on 06/14/2002 10:50:48 AM PDT by ejo
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To: Romulus
Palm Beach Co. Diocese Florida. Thanks, Romulus and Aske et al. I spend most of my time watching the AmChurch in horror. I imagine I look like Ignatius J. Reilly ("Confederacy of Dunces") did when he was watching a Doris Day movie.
64 posted on 06/14/2002 10:51:29 AM PDT by Catholicguy
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To: american colleen
A few years ago, I went back in for a visit and found the crucifix placed in the back of the church over to the side (barely visible unless you looked for it) and it had been replaced by a plain cross over the altar (which doesn't house the Tabernacle anymore) - the front pews - about the first 10 rows - had been ripped out and replaced with chairs that have no kneelers. My heart was broken.

My point exactly! Thank you, american colleen. If you look deeper inside that church, you will probably find upgraded speakers for the electronic instruments that accompany the "Kumbaya" choir. And banners! These "contemporized" churches have banners everywhere. In fact, check out the "banner" (of the Blessed Virgin) just behind the main podium at the bishops conference. What a piece of work!! How inspiring is that?

And .. the music. Some of the contemporary music is beautiful but much of it reminds me of what they sing or perform in the Crystal Cathedral. Is it any wonder catholics are confused, angry, and lost?

65 posted on 06/14/2002 10:51:58 AM PDT by NYer
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To: Romulus
Diocese of Trenton, NJ
66 posted on 06/14/2002 10:57:15 AM PDT by ejo
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To: Romulus
Shawnee, OK/Archdiocese of Oklahoma City/Archbishop Beltran
67 posted on 06/14/2002 11:04:36 AM PDT by Okies love Dubya 2
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To: Romulus
California
AKA Elena
68 posted on 06/14/2002 11:04:43 AM PDT by AKA Elena
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To: Okies love Dubya 2
I know this is off-topic, but since it's a Catholic thread...any FReepers going to be at the CCLI (Couple to Couple League International) Convention which starts a week from Sunday here in Shawnee OK? I know we have some NFP instructors on FR. I would love to meet anyone who might be going!
69 posted on 06/14/2002 11:07:32 AM PDT by Okies love Dubya 2
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To: Romulus
Arizona----Diocese of Phoenix
70 posted on 06/14/2002 11:24:50 AM PDT by Azonie
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To: Romulus
Pennsylvania - Diocese of Greensburg

SD

71 posted on 06/14/2002 11:50:18 AM PDT by SoothingDave
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To: Romulus; Askel5
Massachusetts
72 posted on 06/14/2002 11:53:36 AM PDT by Unam Sanctam
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To: Romulus
New York - Diocese of Syracuse
73 posted on 06/14/2002 11:56:14 AM PDT by Gerish
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To: Romulus
California
74 posted on 06/14/2002 11:59:13 AM PDT by Canticle_of_Deborah
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To: Romulus
Archdiocese of Philadelphia,Pa. Anthony Cardinal Bevilaqua
75 posted on 06/14/2002 12:03:52 PM PDT by baseballmom
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To: american colleen
You aren't being to picky. You are absolutely right that the tabernacle should be front and center.

You are without votive candles? I'm so sorry. That almost happened here, but in my role as banshee the votive candles have remained in place.

76 posted on 06/14/2002 12:08:15 PM PDT by Siobhan
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To: Romulus
Archdiocese of Newark, New Jersey, here.
77 posted on 06/14/2002 12:15:08 PM PDT by Mike Fieschko
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To: ejo
inquiring minds would like to know, the number of scandals per church with the crucifix missing.

Gee, that could be a real interesting research project.
There is a beautiful crucifix in the Jesuit run church I attend now, no scandals that I know of.

78 posted on 06/14/2002 12:17:13 PM PDT by katnip
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To: Siobhan
in my role as banshee

LOL! That's a critically important role.

79 posted on 06/14/2002 12:28:42 PM PDT by Steve1789
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To: Romulus
I attend the Tridentine Indult Mass at St. Thomas More Parish in the Archdiocese of Chicago.
80 posted on 06/14/2002 12:43:35 PM PDT by Sock
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To: Romulus
Northern Virginia, Diocese of Arlington
81 posted on 06/14/2002 12:52:37 PM PDT by COBOL2Java
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To: katnip
Huge Crucifix in our Church and Chapel, and our parish is thriving. The Clergy above reproach, that it seems as if all this scandal is eons away. The Lord seems to be protecting the churches where He is still being honored as our Saviour.
82 posted on 06/14/2002 12:59:51 PM PDT by ejo
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To: Romulus
Minnesota
Harry Flynn (yuck)
83 posted on 06/14/2002 1:03:11 PM PDT by oline
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To: Gophack
I blame myself because for nearly 20 years I rarely went to mass (I was a Christmas/Easter Catholic). That's 20 years where my prayers could have been joined with others to strengthen the church.

I'm shamefaced, I was the same. I thank God every single day that He has helped and allowed me come back to Him. I've never been so happy.

84 posted on 06/14/2002 1:12:10 PM PDT by american colleen
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To: american colleen
Is an "Anglican Use" parish fully Roman Catholic and one with the Pope? Just curious, I really don't know. There is one in Boston, St. Andrew's I believe, but I have not attended.

Yes! "The Pastoral Provision is a generous arrangement made by the Holy See in 1980 for those who were formerly priests and laypeople in the Episcopal Church and who now wish to enter the Roman Catholic Church while retaining some of the elements of their Anglican heritage and customs." [Source] "The creation of the 'Anglican Use' parishes stemmed from the statement made by Pope John Paul II in 1980, as a result of a proposal from the bishops of this country to develop terms under which former Episcopal clergymen and other members of the Episcopal Church could be admitted to full communion in the Catholic Church while still retaining some elements of their liturgy, tradition and devotional life."[Source]

Anglican Use parishes are 100% Catholic, 100% in union with the Pope, and 100% loyal to the Bishops and Magisterium. We have "no affiliation with the so-called 'Continuing Anglican Movement,' nor with any branch of the Episcopal or Anglican churches. Rather, its members, many of whom are converts from the Episcopal Church, have been granted permission to retain some elements of the Anglican liturgical heritage while being fully Roman Catholic.." [Source]

So don't worry -- the Anglican Use parishes are completely Catholic, and celebrate the same Mass that every other Catholic Church in the world does -- and are more traditionally liturgical than many! Keep in mind that "[w]hile the liturgy used" in the Anglican Usage of the Roman Rite "is not a separate Rite, it is the only approved variation of the Latin Rite in the United States." [Source]

I hope you'll pay a visit to the 100% Roman Catholic Congregation of St. Athanasius in Boston. You'll be glad you did!

Yours in Christian Fraternity,

B-chan

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85 posted on 06/14/2002 1:16:33 PM PDT by B-Chan
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To: ElkGroveDan
Ping
86 posted on 06/14/2002 1:16:37 PM PDT by Gophack
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To: Romulus
Diocese of Sacramento, CA
87 posted on 06/14/2002 1:50:29 PM PDT by ElkGroveDan
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To: sandyeggo
There aren't any in California as far as I know. You can check this list for locations of Anglican Use parishes in the U.S.

Yours in Christian Fraternity,

B-chan

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90 posted on 06/14/2002 2:31:51 PM PDT by B-Chan
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To: Romulus
Slyfox, Diocese of Dallas.
91 posted on 06/14/2002 2:38:40 PM PDT by Slyfox
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To: Romulus
Archdiocese of Los Angeles, CA
94 posted on 06/14/2002 2:51:45 PM PDT by Aunt Polgara
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To: Romulus, Siobhan
Orange, Texas- Diocese of Beaumont; Bishop Curtis Guillory
95 posted on 06/14/2002 3:36:12 PM PDT by roachie
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To: Romulus
I'm in Virginia, Diocese of Richmond.

Thanks,
Dan

96 posted on 06/14/2002 4:01:08 PM PDT by pgkdan
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To: american colleen
Now, the main altar has grooves for the Tabernacle and both are made of the same marble... why move it? To me, it should be front and center... am I being too picky?

And you know... I miss votive candles.

No! You are not being too picky. The Tabernacle contains the Real Presence, the Body and Blood of Our Lord Jesus Christ. I'm tired of attending Mass at strange churches while travelling and having to spend 5 minutes tracking down the Tabernacle.

I belonged to what was once the only somewhat traditional parish in my area, then we built a new sanctuary, removed the Tabernacle to a chapel off the "commons" and it's been down hill there ever since. We had an uproar about that and as a result the Pastor installed a small temporary Tabernacle behind and to the right of the altar. If you didn't already know it was there you'd never notice it. They've completely lost the sense of reverence that I grew up with. Nobody genuflects anymore...the children don't even know how to genuflect, and nobody knows when to genuflect anymore. Kids run back and forth to and from the bathroom...even at the Consecration. They've adopted the obnoxious habit of nodding their heads when they approach the altar..even though the Blessed Sacrament is reserved in the tiny little half hidden Tabernacle. I suppose that nod is acceptable to a bare altar when no Tabernacle is present, but it's unsettling to see folks approach the Tabernacle and nod...like they're seeing a buddy in a pub.

No I don't think you're being picky...leave the Tabernacle where it belongs. It contains the central mystery of our Faith and it's place should be central in our sanctuaries and our hearts.

97 posted on 06/14/2002 4:18:47 PM PDT by pgkdan
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To: Romulus
dadwags, Roswell, Georgia, St. Andrew's Parish, Atlanta Archdiocese .
98 posted on 06/14/2002 4:27:43 PM PDT by dadwags
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To: Romulus
Maryland (unfortunately)
99 posted on 06/14/2002 4:37:13 PM PDT by big'ol_freeper
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To: B-Chan
Go Red Sox!!
100 posted on 06/14/2002 4:40:32 PM PDT by big'ol_freeper
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