WAR IS NOT INEVITABLE[AtThisTime] PRAY IN TONGUES

Meri Burlingame's AP list ^ | 16 SEP 2002 | Chris Strom [of Andrew Strom]

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WAR IS NOT INEVITABLE. PRAY IN TONGUES"
Meri Burlingame
Sep 16, 2002

Chris Strom

From: "Chris Strom" Date sent: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 10:48:45 +1200

"WAR IS NOT INEVITABLE. PRAY IN TONGUES"
- by C. Strom. [-My father. -Andrew.]

I was woken early this morning by the "noise" of my spirit shouting silently in tongues. (Nothing can shout as loud as when silently praying in tongues!) Over this prayer was the clear message in English:

"WAR IS NOT INEVITABLE. PRAY IN TONGUES."

As I continued to pray I felt the following things:

(1) To alert as many people as possible to this message. That it wasn't just for me.

(2) That the battle is spiritual, not physical. That if we Christians win the battle spiritually, the physical battle will not be necessary (2Chron 20).

(3) That the same negative spiritual power that was behind Nebuchadnezzar is behind Saddam Hussein. First we must bind this strong man in the background before his puppet, the strong man in the foreground will equally submit and allow his goods to be spoiled.

(4) In practical terms: we must win the prayer battle before that spiritual power will allow Saddam to submit to the unqualified unrestricted viewing of all sites essential to prevent war.

(5) That tongues is essential. That we cannot possibly pray accurately enough in sufficient detail in English to accomplish this depth of intercession.

(6) To especially draw Christians' attention to 1 Thess 5:17,19:

Pray without ceasing...Quench not the Spirit.

The Holy Spirit will continue to pray in tongues through us (Acts 2:4) so long as we continue to co-operate with Him in this urgent occupation. Don't let other preoccupations quench Him, as can so easily happen.

(7) That fasting acts as an intensifier. Fasting amplifies the prayer. That any form of fasting is better than no fasting at all. Fasting from TV, or partial fasting, for instance. If you can't pray because of work but can fast, remember that "fasting is your whole body praying."

(8) Finally, that things would never have got this bad if only Christians had prayed. Far too many Christians are sidetracked on other good things and are neglecting the essential of prayer. Far too many intercessors are stuck on receiving revelation before praying when we already have the supernatural weapon par excellence of Holy Spirit gifted tongues. Pray without ceasing! Literal Greek: Pray without a pause!

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[drstevej]

Was once told that if you pray in tongues the Devil can understand what you are praying. Heavenly encryption?

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Sigh.

A very close friend has had a long habit of going to various Native American tribes and ministering to them.

In one short month's time once--she had visited 3 different tribes. During the closing prayer at each one, she'd prayed quietly--barely audibly--in tongues.

EACH TIME, an old man or old woman who had been standing next to her in the circle would ask her where she had learned the old, formal, eloquent version of their language. She had no idea she'd been speaking their language. They then told her in EACH case that she had presented a wonderful poetic version of The Gospel story.

I realize your construction on reality may not allow for the TRUTH of this to sink in. But at least the possiblity exists that Holy Spirit might be ever ready to broaden your spiritual and Scriptural understanding. Of course, you have some control over His success with you on that score, or not.

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I QUITE AGREE WITH YOU that prayers do not turn God into a vending machine at our whim or direction.

HOWEVER, That GOD CHOOSES to allow Himself to be influenced by our prayers is one of the great mysteries of Love of the ages. Thankfully, His wisdom decrees often enough that His best answer to our prayers is NO! Otherwise, we'd be in worse trouble.

Thanks for your post.

[drstevej]

***EACH TIME, an old man or old woman who had been standing next to her in the circle would ask her where she had learned the old, formal, eloquent version of their language. ***

Assuming this account is true (and I don't dispute it) this sounds more like the biblical gift than much of the ecstatic speech around today.

[drstevej]

Correction:

Was once told that if you pray in tongues the Devil CAN'T understand what you are praying.

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Do you think that the Holy Spirit can transmit the needs of a believer to the Father without the believer engaging in the act of speaking in incomprehensible sounds?

I suspect Holy Spirit CAN do whatever He and The GodHead decide needs doing. THAT GOD THE FATHER AND THE SON WITH HOLY SPIRIT HAVE DECREED in The Word that such a means will be one of the powerful gifts to the New Testament Church for her proper functioning throughout the "church age" is a Grace and honor that I guess you'll have to ask them about. I personally believe it is one of Father's 'jokes' on us that in order to be more powerful, potent in our prayers and our walk in The Spirit--we have to humble ourselves to speaking ostensibly gibberish. It has marvelous results for those willing to so humble themselves and persist in faith accordingly as led by Holy Spirit. Paul gives some very strong warnings about speaking in the "tongues" you describe, what is your interpretation of those warnings? I disagree that Paul gave any such warning about any such use of tongues. On the contrary, he asserts that he would that all spoke in tongues. . . and quench not The Spirit. . . that all seek to be able to speak and to interpret. Certainly public meetings must be ran in an orderly fashion and he gave instructions for that.

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Your assertion via I Cor 13:8-10 that tongues was to be temporary is illogical on the face of it.

If KNOWLEDGE HAD PASSED AWAY as would have to have happened for tongues to have also passed away--You'd not be able to assert much of anything about much of anything.

Where is the perfect knowledge that has come?

Joel asserts that propehcies etc. were for our entire era. Why do you find it so ?reflexively? necessary to disagree with him?

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Am I given to understand that you realllllly question the capacity of Almighty God to tell the difference between white-wash and the authentic; between heart and surface stuff?

I wonder how many times the Scriptures talk about God looking on the heart.

Authentic tongues is an issue of the heart--not the tongue--nor the ears.

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I THINK you meant the devil caN'T tell what we're praying. Heavenly encryption, indeed.

I hope that's true. Sounds nice.

But a lot of people are experts at watching others and guessing well what they are thinking. I suspect satan is at least as good as that at such.

But it's a nice thought that he can't read our minds nor understand prayers in tongues. I've counted on that a lot. I pray in tongues silently more than I do out loud. Can I call that a double level of security?

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I find your link labeled STRAIGHT TALK on TONGUES ANYTHING BUT straight talk.

I find it largely straight, overwhelmingly blind bias. I don't even find it very Scriptural.

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I still prefer to consider the FRUIT as the Bible instructs us to do.

The authentic has persistently in my life experience and in countless other's lives and relationshiops--brought RESURRECTION LIFE; HEALING; A MUCH CLOSER WALK WITH GOD; HOLY SPIRIT COMFORT IN GREAT TRAUMA; DIRECTION IN THE MIDST OF CONFUSION ETC. ETC. ETC.

I can't imagine satan producing such a long, long, long list of very edifying, very Scriptural, God-relationship-enhancing fruit.

[drstevej]

***I pray in tongues silently more than I do out loud. Can I call that a double level of security?***

No need, our amillennial folks say Satan is bound already.

[BibChr]

I had that same unconsidered, kneejerk response when I was a charismatic.

But think again: what is "knowledge"? Is it really an improvement to say that "the perfect" is Jesus, or Heaven, or the Second Coming? As you are (mis)taking "knowledge," will knowledge pass away at the return of Christ, or in Heaven? I daresay knowledge will increase beyond our wildest imagination.

Try again. Look at the context, near and far. It will lead you in a different direction than that you've found comfortable in the past.

Dan

[BibChr]

Perhaps if you read it...? Looked up the verses...?

Glad to be the one to challenge your unBiblical, unconsidered areas of ignorance.

Dan

[drstevej]

I applaud the effect [RESURRECTION LIFE; HEALING; A MUCH CLOSER WALK WITH GOD; HOLY SPIRIT COMFORT IN GREAT TRAUMA; DIRECTION IN THE MIDST OF CONFUSION] even if I question the cause. I observe these same effects in yielded non-charismatic believers.

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Have been back and forth over such an issue adnauseam. . . perhaps as much as you or more.

I've usually found that hostility to tongues etc. has more to do with psychology than theology.

And, as has been said, the person with an experience is rarely if ever at the mercy of one with merely an argument. I don't know what your experiences were like in charismania. There's certainly a lot of silliness that goes under that title. But the authentic is not something I'd trade for.

I know in who I've believed . . . and what HE has taught me and led me into and through is . . . not for sale . . . I'd be brain dead to believe anything less. . . my many experiences have been much toooooo convincing many, many dozens of times over.

Thanks for caring or bothering enough to respond etc.

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Just did yet again before posting my response to it. It's also a chapter I've virtually memorized at God's encouragement.

This is not exactly an area of ignorance on my part. Agreement or not with you is NOT my definition of ignorance.

Thankfully, I have long felt what some have started to say publically--Cessationism is going to cease AT GOD'S DOING.

When He escalates the demonstration of the supernatural as He is definitely scheduled to do--all kinds of petty arguments will fall lifeless in the dust. Stay tuned.

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BTW, I don't believe you have sufficient perspective, nor insight, nor discernment to be able to accurately assert what I have CONSIDERED and what I haven't CONSIDERED.

Your what--?arrogance?--might assert that you can accurately read my inner most thought processes and thereby with great overwhelming perfect knowledge assert what I have or have not considered. However, I don't buy it.

I suppose you can claim that I APPEAR or not to have considered something. But that's not what you said.

[RnMomof7]

LOL

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I don't think someone has to fit comfortably under the label Charismatic to hear God or demonstrate a lot of fruits of The Spirit. God uses whom He will. And He takes all yielded, surrendered folk as far as they will go with Him. If they have blind spots, He either enlightens them IF it's a priority of HIS or He ignores such blind spots and concentrates on other more fruitful areas in that life. IMHO.

I have usually found, though, that in AT LEAST 70+% of the time, pride is what's in the way of at least praying in tongues, not theology.