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No Compromise with Rome
Reformation INK ^ | Unknown | Martin Luther

Posted on 10/12/2002 1:59:34 PM PDT by fortheDeclaration

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To: RochesterFan
Your #34 was well put! Good summary of the Good News!

Amen!

41 posted on 10/14/2002 9:55:01 PM PDT by fortheDeclaration
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To: fortheDeclaration; RnMomof7; xzins
Now, under any definition I would say that he meant alone without works, or merit (Eph.2:9)

I think that your definition admits the heresy of antinomianism. I could be persuaded otherwise.

42 posted on 10/15/2002 6:40:05 AM PDT by WriteOn
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To: fortheDeclaration; RnMomof7; xzins
Clearly we don't regard the Eastern Orthodox as "condemned." They are not RCC. The current spirit of Ecumenism of JP II's Magisterium suggests that while there are formulaic differences between kinds of Lutheranism and the Church of England, there are no issues of salvation; if there were I don't think we'd be as close as we are to rejoining those branches.

That said, I'm sure I'm not competent to answer this question as fully as you might like, but I would go out on a limb and say that each individual works out there salvation with Jesus, not the RCC.

My understanding of the core RCC position on the sacraments is that they are a gift of the Holy Spirit, not a litmus test for salvation. The sacraments are certainly not "helping" God, though they do help us. We are called to work with God, but I don't think of it as a partnership. The best analogies are probably from Lord and serf, rather than modern business practice.

I am most disappointed in the acrimony of the debates, but I can see some of the differences are wide. The more I learn of Catholicism the more I see that it is a hard faith that asks a lot of a catechist or practitioner. It is not for the unlearned which is why so many of our children fall away -- and why so many scholars of Protestant faiths return.

It is also foreign to America's current mindset. It is something out of antiquity.

I hope that if RCs have hurt you, that you accept healing in my suffering and sorrow.

43 posted on 10/15/2002 6:59:14 AM PDT by WriteOn
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To: RochesterFan; fortheDeclaration; All
Post# 34.........YES......!!!

Your #34 was well put! Good summary of the Good News!

ftD's..................................#34....Amen!

Maranatha!

44 posted on 10/15/2002 7:29:39 AM PDT by maestro
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To: WriteOn
I hope that if RCs have hurt you, that you accept healing in my suffering and sorrow.

Thank you, that is a very Christian attitude.

45 posted on 10/15/2002 1:04:02 PM PDT by fortheDeclaration
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To: WriteOn
Now, under any definition I would say that he meant alone without works, or merit (Eph.2:9) I think that your definition admits the heresy of antinomianism. I could be persuaded otherwise.

Even those Protestants who deny eternal security (which are most of them) accept the fact that salavation must be a free gift not a work that you earn (Rom.6:23)

It is simply by faith because it is a gift, not a work that we can take credit for (Rom.4:4-5)

46 posted on 10/15/2002 1:22:54 PM PDT by fortheDeclaration
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To: fortheDeclaration
BTTT.................Thank you for this important insight/information!

[Now, under any definition I would say that he meant alone without works, or merit (Eph.2:9) I think that your definition admits the heresy of antinomianism. I could be persuaded otherwise.]

Even those Protestants who deny eternal security (which are most of them) accept the fact that salavation must be a free gift not a work that you earn (Rom.6:23)

[It is simply by faith because it is a gift, not a work that we can take credit for (Rom.4:4-5)]

Yes,......saints are made/created as saints by God and HIS work,......NOT by Man and his organizations !

47 posted on 10/16/2002 5:43:32 AM PDT by maestro
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Bump......#46 & #47.........FYI........bump.........BTTT
48 posted on 10/16/2002 10:29:13 AM PDT by maestro
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To: fortheDeclaration
I am so glad Jesus is above and beyond "religion"
49 posted on 10/16/2002 4:57:52 PM PDT by marbren
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To: marbren
I am so glad Jesus is above and beyond "religion"

He is above 'religion' but He is a God of Doctrine (2Tim.3:16)

50 posted on 10/16/2002 7:11:46 PM PDT by fortheDeclaration
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To: fortheDeclaration
The Bible is the true inerrant word of God. It is so neat that God's Gospel message gets through in spite of human religious institutions and interpretations. There is no perfect church on earth. My church is OK, not perfect, right now our big "worry" is paying our bills, you would think a church could live by faith.
51 posted on 10/17/2002 2:39:56 AM PDT by marbren
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To: marbren
The Bible is the true inerrant word of God. It is so neat that God's Gospel message gets through in spite of human religious institutions and interpretations. There is no perfect church on earth.

Amen.

My church is OK, not perfect, right now our big "worry" is paying our bills, you would think a church could live by faith.

What church is that?

A church (the Christians in it) should never 'worry' about anything.(2Cor.5:7)

52 posted on 10/17/2002 5:17:14 AM PDT by fortheDeclaration
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