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Paul faithful flock to Spartanburg appearance (sixteen standing ovations!)
GoUpstate.com ^ | 7/21/07 | Jason Spencer

Posted on 07/23/2007 7:58:41 AM PDT by George W. Bush

Paul faithful flock to Spartanburg appearance

A little-known Texas congressman seeking the Republican nomination for president visited Spartanburg on Saturday and seemed to arrive with all the makings of rock-star candidate for his party — despite polling low, little name recognition and a relatively small campaign staff.

Supporters call it the “Ron Paul Revolution.” You might’ve seen it on signs or T-shirts. Or MySpace.

Paul received no less than 16 standing ovations during his hour-plus speech and question-and-answer session at the Summit Pointe Event Center — first, when he entered the room, a second one when a re-entered after doing a quick television interview and a third when he was formally introduced.

Thunderous applause also followed when he decried the Patriot Act (ovation No. 4), when he said America should never go to war without a declaration from Congress or because of a United Nations resolution (ovation Nos. 8 and 9), and when he attacked President Bush’s foreign policy and handling of the war in Iraq (ovation Nos. 11, 12 and 13).

“No nation building. No policing of the world. Peace is popular,” Paul said. “The sooner we get out of Iraq, the fewer Americans will die. And I say, it’s time to come home.”

About 400 people — half from out of state — were shoehorned into Summit Pointe for a barbecue luncheon that doubled as a fundraiser for the Spartanburg County Republican Party. The local GOP, after expenses, made an estimated $5,000 on the event.

Paul was invited to speak to the local party faithful (they numbered about 80 in the crowd) after county chairman Rick Beltram took offense at Paul’s explanation of the 9/11 attacks as “blowback” from America’s past intervention in the affairs of other countries during a GOP debate. That led to a widely distributed online tit-for-tat between Beltram and Paul supporters, and Beltram eventually invited Paul here to explain himself.

Blowback, in and of itself, was not mentioned Saturday, though Paul often alluded to it, going as far back as World War I, “which (President) Woodrow Wilson got us into unnecessarily, and drew the lines in the Middle East that we’re suffering for today.”

Beltram said he agreed with Paul on most issues except foreign policy, and that he believes the Texan converted some Upstaters to his revolution with Saturday’s speech.

“I left feeling like a hero,” Beltram said. “I got more positive comments after that event than all the other presidential events combined.”



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To: George W. Bush
When we were excluded in Iowa, the rest of the candidates had 600 bored supporters and our rally drew in 1200 very excited RP supporters. The media pretended it was because we offered free hot dogs.

When people show up in sizable numbers everywhere Dr. Paul appears, many traveling hundreds of miles, the GOP just ignores that appeal.


When Ron Paul visits Google, opposes their Net Neutrality stance, gets more attention and video replays in only three days at YouTube's Google presidential site, beating out McCain's video and Hitlery's despite theirs having been up for months, and has to hold a second packed fundraiser that night in Silicon Valley, everyone just pretends it doesn't mean anything.

When young people are excited all over the internet by RP's message, even in socialist bastions in places like Belgium and Germany where there are chapters of RP supporters, somehow, it just gets ignored.

Now, Ron Paul packs them in in a South Carolina event, raises $5000 for the local country GOP and makes everyone, including the formerly opposing county GOP chairman, feel like a winner with his message.


It's the spammers, you fool! It all go's back to the spammers!


201 posted on 07/23/2007 6:18:04 PM PDT by marsh_of_mists
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To: fieldmarshaldj

“About 400 people — half from out of state”

This is newsworthy? PLEASE! The other candidates draw larger crowds than that, without bussing in supporters from other parts of the country.


202 posted on 07/23/2007 6:22:43 PM PDT by Clintonfatigued (Open borders and outsourcing are opposite sides of the same coin)
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To: George W. Bush
We're just asking for a fair chance to be heard.

RP deserves a fair chance to be heard. What he does not deserve is a pass at making some of the ridicules statements he's made about how this country asked to be attacked (perhaps the the exact words he used, but the jist was the same). As a presidential candidate he should be allowed to put forth his resume and his ideas on what he would do as president if elected. But, any presidential candidate, RP included, should not be given a free pass when they make comments or statements which are not supportable or realistic. That applies to any candidate, agree?

203 posted on 07/23/2007 7:28:23 PM PDT by SoldierDad (Proud Father of a 2nd BCT 10th Mountain Soldier fighting the terrorists in the Triangle of Death)
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To: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus

“Who is Don Paul?”

Don Paul is the cousin of Don Ho. They used to sing together and used the stage name Don Don.


204 posted on 07/23/2007 7:31:35 PM PDT by HereInTheHeartland (Never bring a knife to a gun fight, or a Democrat to do serious work...)
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To: fieldmarshaldj
Summit Pointe ? Isn’t that the Spartanburg County Nervous Hospital ?

I don't think so. But we need to start a therapy group here at FR for those who appear about to collapse mentally that a traditional peace-and-prosperity conservative Republican is running and that the answer to our loss in 2006 is to find a candidate even more in favor of the United Nations and Wilsonian adventurism while leaving Osama free to enjoy having murdered 3000 Americans.

Maybe a ten-step program for recovering internationalists.
205 posted on 07/23/2007 7:40:20 PM PDT by George W. Bush (Rudy: tough on terror, scared of Iowa)
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To: marsh_of_mists
It's the spammers, you fool! It all go's back to the spammers!

LOL. My point on some of these threads is this: even if you don't like RP's message on Iraq, take a look at the rest of what he says, that liberty and principled small-government conservative message.

If you look at his speeches and videos, he spends a little time on Iraq and foreign policy. But the large majority of his time is spent on domestic issues, sounding classic conservative themes on economics, personal liberty, small-government.

I keep saying it: what is wrong with that message? Why can't all the Republican candidates run on that message?
206 posted on 07/23/2007 7:45:19 PM PDT by George W. Bush (Rudy: tough on terror, scared of Iowa)
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To: Clintonfatigued
This is newsworthy? PLEASE! The other candidates draw larger crowds than that, without bussing in supporters from other parts of the country.

Generally, no, they don't. Keep watching CSPAN, YouTube, etc.
207 posted on 07/23/2007 7:46:25 PM PDT by George W. Bush (Rudy: tough on terror, scared of Iowa)
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To: SoldierDad
What he does not deserve is a pass at making some of the ridicules statements he's made about how this country asked to be attacked (perhaps the the exact words he used, but the jist was the same).

So, it's the Dan Blather standard for truth then? You know that isn't what he said. No one here at FR should endorse such tactics. If RP fails (and he is a longshot), then let him fail for his real positions, not some nonsense you make up and keep repeating like some Nazi propaganda slogan.

You folks must sense exactly how weak your own position is or you wouldn't resort to such desperate and hysterical attacks on RP. Nothing else really explains it.

To be honest, though, it is actually helpful to the RP cause for reasons I won't bother to explain. So I'm not complaining greatly about it either.
208 posted on 07/23/2007 7:52:41 PM PDT by George W. Bush (Rudy: tough on terror, scared of Iowa)
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To: George W. Bush

Well, we agree to disagree. Good luck to your candidate.


209 posted on 07/23/2007 7:53:42 PM PDT by SoldierDad (Proud Father of a 2nd BCT 10th Mountain Soldier fighting the terrorists in the Triangle of Death)
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To: George W. Bush; Clintonfatigued; BlackElk
Traditional ? Peace ? Ah, yes. A paleo. The ones that have sailed off the political horizon from far-right to Kookcinich far-left. Interesting you mention about Obama, because for our friends that think we can do isolationism in 2007, here's that friendly reminder why it just can't be done anymore.

Of course, with a Dr. Demento administration, it'll be something more like this.

Remember, kids, these people hate us. They hate anyone that doesn't subscribe to their 7th century death cult. They are commanded to kill us if we don't convert. Dr. Demento likes to pretend this is another era. It ain't. These guys aren't cute, and Dr. Demento isn't cute anymore.

210 posted on 07/23/2007 7:58:03 PM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (~~~Jihad Fever -- Catch It !~~~ (Backup tag: "Live Fred or Die"))
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To: WhiteGuy; fieldmarshaldj; Allegra; Dr.Deth; rmlew; SJackson; federal
I disagree with Tancredo on important matters and would not vote for him in all likelihood (not that he is likely to be nominated in any event) but, whatever Tancredo's drawbacks, he is a patriot and a conservative. Antiwar AntiAmerican Al Qaeda propagandist has been worst in show and has proven to be neither. He is an Al Qaeda propagandist because he spent the first debate whining about how we should see the Iraq War from the Islamofascist point of view and inexcusably suggest some sort of moral equivalency between Islamofascists and American patriots. Those are Al Qaeda's talking points and he is spewing them in the debates and generally.

A baseball pitcher is a baseball pitcher because he pitches baseballs. A baseball slugger is a baseball slugger because he slugs baseballs. Someone who pitches propaganda for our nation's Al Qaeda enemies is an Al Qaeda propagandist. This requires more brain cells to figure out than are possessed by "paleowhatevers" who generally seem easily confused as to what side they, as Americans, are supposed to be on in this war. Normal folks see that paleoPaulie and the Paulistinians are clearly on the wrong side and unfit to lead our nation.

This is a free country (at least until the paleowhatevers manage to get their towel-wrapped Islamofascistbuds to impose Sharia Law here) and you are entitled to adopt the heresies of your choice. You are not free to expect much less demand that patriots and conservatives respect your choices when you side with a candidate who sides with the enemies of our nation during war.

If that makes me "narrow-minded" so be it. Guilty! Guilty! Guilty! Ignorance would be the characteristic of the paleowhatevers who reflexively side with the radical left in opposing our nation and its interests. The paleos whine, witch (sp.?), moan and complain every time our nation does something truly American like retaliate against those who think 9/11 was a good idea. That is what is really sad. Betraying your country in time of war is NOT acceptable. Pat Buchanan understands that and paleoPaulie does not. While Pat opposed the war before it began, he has judiciously zipped his lip after it began. Unlike paleoPaulie and the Paulistinian political harem, Pat knows the wages of nakedly undermining one's nation at war and paleoPaulie and company are just beginning to learn that hard lesson.

Your blase attitude as to enemies who struck the World Trade Center and much more importantly our Pentagon is what is really sad. And puhleeeeze spare us the Al Qaeda and Demonrat and paleo propaganda about the hijackers being mostly Saudis which is about as relevant as their eye color. This enemy transcends national boundaries and allegiances and must be crushed wherever found. The now executed Sodamn Insane (and his thankfully ventilated spawn Uday and Kucay) harbored Abbu "Achille Lauro" Abbas (suddenly dead of a heart attack at the beginning of the war) and Abu Nidal (died "a suicide" of five or six gunshots to the back of his head on his Baghdad apartment/hiding place at the very beginning of the war).

Who knows? Maybe it was Dubya's fault. Everything else seems to be, at least to those who agree with International A.N.S.W.E.R., Ramsay Clark and paleoPaulie.

211 posted on 07/23/2007 8:03:27 PM PDT by BlackElk (Dean of Discipline of the Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemen's Club)
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To: George W. Bush

The Ames straw poll has nothing whatever to do with actual Republican public opinion. Like any other source of hope for Paulistinians, the Ames poll will allow antiwar leftists who have nothing whatever to do with the GOP to pack the hall to cause trouble. College student and faculty leftists, communists, moveon.org types, and other enemies of our country will be out in force. They won’t even have to give up choosing delegates for their favorite red Demonrat. When the delegates are chosen, we shall see the definitive humiliation of paleoPaulie and his love slaves.


212 posted on 07/23/2007 8:10:46 PM PDT by BlackElk (Dean of Discipline of the Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemen's Club)
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To: George W. Bush

The choice is occupying Mesopatamia or having them march on Vienna. You cannot ignore history before 1700.


213 posted on 07/23/2007 8:16:06 PM PDT by rmlew (Build a wall, attrit the illegals, end the anchor babies, Americanize Immigrants)
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To: Clintonfatigued; fieldmarshaldj; Abcdefg; Eric Blair 2084; BlackElk; SoldierDad
Just in from our mailing list from Dr. Paul:
July 23, 2007 What a great trip to South Carolina! On Saturday, I talked to the Spartanburg County GOP. About 350 people attended from all over the South, and the local party made $5000 out of it. Originally, this had seemed to be unfriendly territory, but everyone couldn’t have been nicer or more welcoming. And we all learned something.

Then I spoke to a rally in Greenville. The local papers were less biased than most, but they still estimated the crowd at 500. We had set the room with 1100 chairs, and almost all of them were taken. In addition, people stood in ranks at the back and sides. In other words, there were more than 1000 people there.

This crowd -- also from all over the South, and thanks to all those who drove hours to be there -- was typically diverse. Lots of young people, but also lots of families with children. And seniors too. I talked about foreign and domestic policy, and noted that those concerned about pollution must support private property. Government property is never well cared for. Just look at the environmental problems left over from the USSR!

I also talked about sound money and the Federal Reserve, about the inflation it is inflicting on us, and about the recessions it causes, and the unjust redistribution of wealth it brings about. A young man who drove up from Auburn, Alabama, said he never thought he'd see the day when a call to abolish the central bank would receive a long standing ovation in American politics.

But if there is one thing we know, people are hungry for the truth. And that is especially true of this moment. I found the same concerns at a picnic of local political activists I attended. I even got questions about Austrian economics!

Last Tuesday in Georgia, Dr. Paul Broun defeated state senator John Whitehead in a special election to Congress. John had all the establishment and money on his side. But Paul discussed obedience to the Constitution, limited government, the failure of the national Republican leadership, and a less aggressive foreign policy. And he won. Columnist Robert Novak said this “terrified” all the establishment types in the Republican Party. I had talked to Paul during his campaign, and was thrilled to congratulate him on his victory. There is a new wind blowing.

Our bottom-up campaign -- not top-down in the usual official fashion -- has gotten far bigger and more successful, at a faster rate, than even I dreamed. And the sky is the limit. Don't we owe it to our great forbears, and to our children and grandchildren and great grandchildren down through the generations, not to lose our country? We can win the fight for the ideals of the founders. We can have freedom, peace, and prosperity. We can be blessed by our fellow citizens, and by all those who come after us.
Notice how Iraq isn't even mentioned? But he's thrilled with questions on Austrian (von Mises) economics. And the victory of a self-described "Ron Paul-style" congressional candidate from Georgia over the local big-government same-old-same-old Republican establishment candidate.

It's a long road ahead. But recruiting new conservative supporters and electing more constitutionalist conservatives is a great side-effect. We need a revival of the principles that made our party great and brought us to majorities in the House and Senate back in '94 and the two Reagan landslides.
214 posted on 07/23/2007 8:18:55 PM PDT by George W. Bush (Rudy: tough on terror, scared of Iowa)
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To: t_skoz
1. Reagan was credible. Paleos never are because they are limp-wristed weaklings in matters military.

2. Ronald Reagan on Lebanon is one thing. Ronald Reagan would have hammered Al Qaeda a multiple as hard as he hammered Qaddafi after we were attacked in New York City and the Pentagon. Reagan was a man. PaleoPaulie and his backers are wimps. This is the obvious truth and is based on the evidence of El Ron Paulie's own apologetics for Al Qaeda: Ohhhh, the pooor babies. Of course they are upset that we disobey them and that we are allied with Israel!!! You can't blame them for attacking us. Or words to that affect. If citing paleoPaulie's own infamous mouth as evidence of his despicability is a "smear", then you occupy a strange universe. How many moons in your sky????

Also, Lebanon has no oil and is about as important as Somalia or the Balkans (not at all). Iraq is an entirely different matter. Also note that the soviets no longer exist and that Russia is a considerably weaker power than was the ussr.

215 posted on 07/23/2007 8:25:27 PM PDT by BlackElk (Dean of Discipline of the Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemen's Club)
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To: fieldmarshaldj
Traditional ? Peace ? Ah, yes. A paleo. The ones that have sailed off the political horizon from far-right to Kookcinich far-left.

Well, it certainly is a shame when thousands of our citizens are murdered as a result of having voted for the Xlintons and for a leftwing mayor who refuses to take FDNY communications seriously or place his command bunker outside the primary terror target. Voting for liberals is likely to get you killed, it seems.

One assumes that the Islamoterrorists will keep attacking these liberal strongholds until they thin the herd there and the survivors come to their senses and leave the Dim plantation.

Suicidal voting habits aren't caused by most Republicans. If you vote for Dims, you're probably going to get attacked, may even die, because they are grossly incompetent at dealing with terrorism as well as crime. It's unfortunate that our current administration has been so lackadaisical in pursuing Osama Bin Laden and bringing him and his henchmen to justice.

In 2008, we need to remind voters of just how deadly voting for Democrats really is.
216 posted on 07/23/2007 8:26:10 PM PDT by George W. Bush (Rudy: tough on terror, scared of Iowa)
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To: BlackElk
paleoPaulie and his love slaves.

LOL. You really are enjoying yourself.
217 posted on 07/23/2007 8:27:27 PM PDT by George W. Bush (Rudy: tough on terror, scared of Iowa)
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To: George W. Bush
What is wrong with that message is that paleoPaulie refuses to defend our country by attacking our enemies in THEIR lairs but wants to wait until they attack us here first. He must have missed the news coverage on 9/11 or guzzled the Alex Jones Kool Aid because we have already been attacked and many of the attack leaders among paleoPaulie’s Al Qaeda pals still survive. It really does not matter what ANY candidate says once the candidate commits to national suicide as a “peace and prosperity” candidate. He may obsess about money but that is hardly a complete definition of conservative. No one American will make much money after paleoPaulie eagerly opens “trade!!!” with our enemies and admits the Islamofascist wooden horse of his pals.
218 posted on 07/23/2007 8:33:51 PM PDT by BlackElk (Dean of Discipline of the Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemen's Club)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

More reporting from RP himself on the SC event and others he had this weekend. Very upbeat, big crowds. And our RP-style candidate in Georgia won a congressional seat! See my previous post for RP’s email.


219 posted on 07/23/2007 8:36:57 PM PDT by George W. Bush (Rudy: tough on terror, scared of Iowa)
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To: BlackElk
What is wrong with that message is that paleoPaulie refuses to defend our country by attacking our enemies in THEIR lairs but wants to wait until they attack us here first.

Oh, please. RP has supported action in Afghanistan all along. He supports pursuing Osama's bunch into Waziristan.

Finally this last week, BushCo popped out of its coma and decided to...pursue Osama into Waziristan. Then Guiliani hitched up his pantyhose and shrieked me-too-me-too. Maybe he finally finished the reading list assigned to him at the joint press conference held by Ron Paul and Michael Schuerre, the former head of the CIA Bin Laden unit.

Looks like RP's position has a lot more merit and standing than you're willing to admit. But then, I'm just a Love Slave.
220 posted on 07/23/2007 8:41:17 PM PDT by George W. Bush (Rudy: tough on terror, scared of Iowa)
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To: scan59

more RP stuff


221 posted on 07/23/2007 8:46:05 PM PDT by scan58 (Diversity results in a collection of unconnected individuals.)
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To: George W. Bush; Clintonfatigued; BlackElk
It's not just a matter of voting Republican, but for the right kind of leader. We have two options in the 21st century. We either aggressively combat the threat of international evil, be it Mohammadanism, Communism, and other thuggery, go on the offense and take it straight to them and triumph by importing our values of liberal Republican Democracy (not liberal in the sense of statism and appeasement of evil as Liberals do, but the classic sense of what liberalism is supposed to mean), or we do nothing. We roll up the mat and bury our heads in the sand and allow us to be attacked by them, again and again and again until our nation and system is in ruins, and they triumph.

I'm not just an internationalist because I want to be, but because in this day and age, if you're not one, you're just one more useful idiot for the cause of chaos and our nation's ultimate destruction. It's the 21st century whether we want it to be or not. It is that simple.

222 posted on 07/23/2007 8:54:08 PM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (~~~Jihad Fever -- Catch It !~~~ (Backup tag: "Live Fred or Die"))
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To: George W. Bush
PaleoPaulie whose foreign policy most resembles RamsayClarke's is a good reminder that thereis no safety in voting for some who call themselves Republican. I wouldn't vote for Juliannie but it would really be great fun to see him lead Osama bin Laden in flexcuffs, straightjacket and with a bit in his insolent mouth through the streets of DC in an old fashioned triumph before he would be skinned live while being drwoned in pig blood and his tanned pelt hung in the cabinet room. Nonetheless, the babies come first. Fred will take the starch out of Osama's drawers with a theatrical flair as well and what's more, unlike paleoPaulie, Fred is electable.

BTW, "bringing ObL to justice"???? Whatever John Kerry or paleoPaulie may think, this is not a "criminal justice moment" but a WAR to kill these creatures and destroy their world. No, slaughter the SOB and film the slaughter for posterity or torture him for info and THEN slaughter him. No trials, no ACLU, no judges, no juries.

223 posted on 07/23/2007 8:54:55 PM PDT by BlackElk (Dean of Discipline of the Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemen's Club)
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To: fieldmarshaldj

You are NOT an internationalist. You are a conservative. You are an interventionist without any need to ask the UN: Mommy, may I?


224 posted on 07/23/2007 8:58:15 PM PDT by BlackElk (Dean of Discipline of the Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemen's Club)
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To: George W. Bush

No, it does not and yes, you are.


225 posted on 07/23/2007 8:59:25 PM PDT by BlackElk (Dean of Discipline of the Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemen's Club)
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To: George W. Bush

Yes, I am.


226 posted on 07/23/2007 9:00:30 PM PDT by BlackElk (Dean of Discipline of the Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemen's Club)
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To: BlackElk; fieldmarshaldj
You are NOT an internationalist. You are a conservative. You are an interventionist without any need to ask the UN: Mommy, may I?

LOL. What's wrong? Afraid the fieldmarshall will speak for himself?

We've seen FReepers lately advocating (on non-RP threads) for free trade schools and nursing schools and free food and rent and transportation, the full-blown centrally-planned economy bit. And they didn't get banned for it.

So why shouldn't we get to have some United Nations lackeys as well?
227 posted on 07/23/2007 9:01:50 PM PDT by George W. Bush (Rudy: tough on terror, scared of Iowa)
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To: BlackElk

Fred? Who is that, You mean the Bob Dole look alike, who played a president on TV? is he running?


228 posted on 07/23/2007 9:04:28 PM PDT by CJ Wolf
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To: fieldmarshaldj
Very well put. Again 19th Century, and even 20th Century, Conservative thought cannot completely take on 21st century realities.
229 posted on 07/23/2007 9:04:51 PM PDT by ejonesie22 (Hillary has already beat Rudy, She is the better cross-dresser.)
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To: BlackElk
I wouldn't vote for Juliannie but it would really be great fun to see him lead Osama bin Laden in flexcuffs, straightjacket and with a bit in his insolent mouth through the streets of DC in an old fashioned triumph before he would be skinned live while being drwoned in pig blood and his tanned pelt hung in the cabinet room.

I know you're into the whole Torquemada thing but rivers of pig blood, torture and skinning people alive really is a tough sell to the indies and the Reagan Democrats.

The answer to medieval fundamentalism is not to become like them. But they do, culturally, have a grudging respect for retribution. They would understand that we would hunt down and kill those who murdered on our territory.

This fiction that Pakistan would be destabilized if we take Bin Laden & Co. in Waziristan is simply false. We get the same bilge about how the Saudis will fall if we stand up to them on the funding and the terrorists they are filtering directly from S.A. to Damascus and over the Syrian border to kill our soldiers.

I wonder how long people will fall for such transparent nonsense and demand a stop to Saudi terrorism and to Pakistan shielding the Bin Laden organization.
230 posted on 07/23/2007 9:11:59 PM PDT by George W. Bush (Rudy: tough on terror, scared of Iowa)
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To: George W. Bush; Clintonfatigued; BlackElk

What I support has nothing to do with the UN as it is now. The UN has become a debauched caricature of what it was supposed to accomplish and stand for. It serves as no better than a massage parlor for the international left. Tyrants and their abominations that pass for governments go in there for their ejaculatory rewards, and we civilized nations, what few are left, are to swallow the resulting bukkake and ask for seconds.

As we see just today, the UN rejected Taiwan (a civilized nation) for membership once again, stating that the Beijing tyranny is its legitimate representative.

Yes, indeed. Thank you, sir, may I have more ?

The United States IS the real United Nations. It should unapologetically spread the values of the Founding Fathers and Constitutional government to every nook and cranny of creation. Funny thing is, we need some of that simple instruction on our own shores. Spreading that is the very best remedy for what ails our planet.


231 posted on 07/23/2007 9:17:10 PM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (~~~Jihad Fever -- Catch It !~~~ (Backup tag: "Live Fred or Die"))
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To: fieldmarshaldj
What I support has nothing to do with the UN as it is now. The UN has become a debauched caricature of what it was supposed to accomplish and stand for. It serves as no better than a massage parlor for the international left. Tyrants and their abominations that pass for governments go in there for their ejaculatory rewards, and we civilized nations, what few are left, are to swallow the resulting bukkake and ask for seconds.

Well, when we first established it we did take them off-guard and fool them into legitimizing the creation of the state of Israel, convincing all that Israel would quickly fail. They're still peeved.

The United States IS the real United Nations. It should unapologetically spread the values of the Founding Fathers and Constitutional government to every nook and cranny of creation. Funny thing is, we need some of that simple instruction on our own shores. Spreading that is the very best remedy for what ails our planet.

Well, Friends Of Ron certainly agree. Now the question becomes: is it better to make friends by peaceful trade and setting a good example or is it more effective to make friends by bombing them first?
232 posted on 07/23/2007 9:22:35 PM PDT by George W. Bush (Rudy: tough on terror, scared of Iowa)
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To: George W. Bush

In the days of the dinosaur media, a candidate had to have tens of millions of dollars ante in order to be “ordained” as “viable.” Now, thanks to the new media, candidates are actually able to go around the old media, discuss ideas that have been censured by the globalist media and the excitement created in the public is the result. People don’t turn to the newspapers to see what “news” has been chosen for them, why should people turn to newspapers to see what candidates have been chosen for them. We finally have a chance to have a battle of ideas. Ron Paul’s genuine conservatism eschews globalism and it’s failures and that appeals to both sides of the political spectrum.


233 posted on 07/23/2007 9:25:28 PM PDT by Nephi ( $100m ante is a symptom of the old media... the Ron Paul Revolution is the new media's choice.)
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To: fieldmarshaldj

Man it is nice to see someone who gets it. We are the world. We created this global economy by our success and ideals.

It is now time to take back control.


234 posted on 07/23/2007 9:25:52 PM PDT by ejonesie22 (Hillary has already beat Rudy, She is the better cross-dresser.)
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To: BlackElk
Why don’t you man up. Your fear is unbecoming and reads like a frail old menopausal women who sees terrorists behind every bush. Adults did not exhibit as much fear looking down the barrel of 10,000 nukes armed and pointed at us in 1962 from Russia as you do here with your obsessive fear of a bunch of cave dwelling flakes with no military, air force or navy to attack us with, and using homemade ordinance(IEDs) made out of artillery shells as their major weapons system.

You're just another fruitloop expecting to see hordes of long knifed muslims storming the beaches at Malibu. Keep your big government kneepads on...Just don't expect divine protection from it for your servicing it.

235 posted on 07/23/2007 9:26:26 PM PDT by KDD (Ron Paul for President)
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To: George W. Bush

Peaceful trade with peaceable civilized nations goes without saying. Trade alone will not stamp out the scourge of the evil political death cult of 7th century Mohammadanism, nor with tinpot dictators like Hugo Chavez trying to proliferate failed 19th century Marxist tyranny.


236 posted on 07/23/2007 9:36:56 PM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (~~~Jihad Fever -- Catch It !~~~ (Backup tag: "Live Fred or Die"))
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To: KDD
You're just another fruitloop expecting to see hordes of long knifed muslims storming the beaches at Malibu.

Shhh...don't give Goober Graham, the Chappaquiddick Killer and our prez any ideas of how to get more Muslims into this country.
237 posted on 07/23/2007 9:38:13 PM PDT by George W. Bush (Rudy: tough on terror, scared of Iowa)
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To: Dr.Deth
What I'm asking these days is: "Why don't they fear us?"

And that is why I am seriously considering a vote for Ron Paul in the Iowa Caucuses next January. (I would vote for him in the Ames Straw Poll, but my wife is making me go to a wedding! Grrr. But I digress)

I don't think the current administration is putting the fear of god, any god, into them. If you are at war, go and kick the holy crap out of somebody, don't dink around. I perceive our war effort as dinking around.

We blew up your shrine? Too freaking bad! We are THE UNITED STATES of AMERICA. We are the baddest mofos to ever walk the face of earth. We are the smartest, strongest military ever assembled. We don't need to rape your women, they will come to us willingly, because they would love to have the children of supermen. So there. And if you don't like it, we'll kick your rear until you do like it, or until you like watching real football, eating bacon cheeseburgers, and gaping at sitcoms like most Americans.

And if we don't do it that way, we just as well try Ron Paul's way.

238 posted on 07/23/2007 9:38:53 PM PDT by Pappy Smear
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To: fieldmarshaldj
Trade alone will not stamp out the scourge of the evil political death cult of 7th century Mohammadanism, nor with tinpot dictators like Hugo Chavez trying to proliferate failed 19th century Marxist tyranny.

And yet, we're so overextended in Iraq we couldn't help Taiwan if we needed to. We can't give the kind of attention to the Chavez regime and his anti-American neighbors. And we are hardly in any position to put boots on the ground in Iran either. That would be fundamentalist terror-state Iran with a huge and credible nuke program being developed in well-shielded underground labs. Unlike Iraq which had no such programs and which was a secular Arab dictatorship.

A lot is being neglected while we are in Iraq. And we've tarnished our own image, as much with the citizens of other nations as their governments.
239 posted on 07/23/2007 9:43:09 PM PDT by George W. Bush (Rudy: tough on terror, scared of Iowa)
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To: George W. Bush

Not to mention playing kissy face with that third and most dangerous member of the “axis of evil”, North Korea.


240 posted on 07/23/2007 9:46:07 PM PDT by KDD (Ron Paul for President)
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To: Pappy Smear
"And if we don't do it that way, we just as well try Ron Paul's way."

That would be like going to a gunfight and handing your opponent the gun with a full chamber of bullets.

241 posted on 07/23/2007 9:52:10 PM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (~~~Jihad Fever -- Catch It !~~~ (Backup tag: "Live Fred or Die"))
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To: KDD
Thank you, in a very brief post have proven why this 20th Century thought that Paul promotes can not be trusted.

Those “cave dwellers” have hit us, in this country, not over there, more than once, and each time it is more daring and deadly.

Comparing the cold war to life with 21st Century terrorism is apples and oranges for one main reason, the one factor that completely changes the dynamic. The Russian/Soviet government and its people wanted to survive. That’s important to understand, it was the basis of Mutually Assured Destruction, the deterrence that for over 50 years kept things in check. Great expense and effort was made for communication and control on both sides to prevent a nuclear war. Despite the hardware and grandiose plans, neither side truly considered these weapons as anything but defensive.

Our enemy now has no such inhibitions.

One last thing. I have mention 19th and 20th Century thought, and you display it very well. It’s not the Muslims storming beaches with scimitars that worries me for you are right, they currently do not have the means. It’s that radical looking for allah’s virgins with that suitcase nuke outside Richmond, DC or your home town that changes my attitude. They don't need a navy or air force when American Airlines will do.

242 posted on 07/23/2007 9:56:32 PM PDT by ejonesie22 (Hillary has already beat Rudy, She is the better cross-dresser.)
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To: Pappy Smear
(I would vote for him in the Ames Straw Poll, but my wife is making me go to a wedding! Grrr. But I digress)

Aw, skip the wedding. Chances are over 50% it won't last anyway. But you may not get many chances to vote for Dr. No!

How about if I offer to sponsor you via our Adopt-An-Iowan program?

Say, have you gotten any calls from our Call Iowa volunteer phone bank? Looks like we're still expecting to call every Iowan at least once by August 11.
243 posted on 07/23/2007 9:58:54 PM PDT by George W. Bush (Rudy: tough on terror, scared of Iowa)
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To: fieldmarshaldj
I still consider myself an uncommitted voter. And not trying to be argumentive, if you can help me out with a better candidate, please put him or her forth...My big 3--someone who will prosecute the war in a kick butt manner, someone who will help defend America by doing actual protection of our southern border, and cutting the size of government.

I would love to find somebody to hit my trifecta.

244 posted on 07/23/2007 10:00:13 PM PDT by Pappy Smear
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To: KDD
You guys need to make up you mind!

You like Paul because he has come to the conclusion that since we have not played fair with the Arabs they hate us.

Now you are upset because we are trying to “work things out” with NK.

Call the damn ball!

245 posted on 07/23/2007 10:02:04 PM PDT by ejonesie22 (Hillary has already beat Rudy, She is the better cross-dresser.)
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To: Pappy Smear
We don't need to rape your women, they will come to us willingly, because they would love to have the children of supermen. So there. And if you don't like it, we'll kick your rear until you do like it, or until you like watching real football, eating bacon cheeseburgers, and gaping at sitcoms like most Americans.

That's pretty funny stuff. You ought to call in to Mark Levin's show sometime. He'd love it.
246 posted on 07/23/2007 10:02:28 PM PDT by George W. Bush (Rudy: tough on terror, scared of Iowa)
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To: George W. Bush; BlackElk; Clintonfatigued

Fact is, they’re ALL threats. Some are easier to deal with than others. The CIA could dispatch Chavez tomorrow if they had the courage and strength to do it. You don’t need a massive armed invasion there. We should’ve made an example to the Mohammadan world by turning Mecca into a sheet of glass on September 12th, 2001. Adios and Allah Akbar.

As for a tarnished reputation, it’s that same business-as-usual UN-appeasing leftist filth (both domestic and abroad) that is the epicenter of the badmouthing, and nobody else. Sorry to rock their boat, but that ain’t Bush’s fault (his guilt, to them, at least, is having won 2 Presidential elections). He’s only just begun to sweep up the trash, and you see the unbridled hate he gets for it. Nope, they only like us when we have sexual predators and incompetent anti-Semitic abominations in the White House (for those DU twits who don’t understand English, that’s Clintoon and Carter). Yup, we elect Hillary and she goes and atones for the sin of Bush, gives Chavez a big hug and kiss, and to the filth, all will be right with the world. You can just smell the sulphur, can’t ya ?


247 posted on 07/23/2007 10:02:34 PM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (~~~Jihad Fever -- Catch It !~~~ (Backup tag: "Live Fred or Die"))
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To: Pappy Smear

Closest at this point would be Fred Thompson. Can I vouch for him 100% ? Nope. Any of us that are stupid enough to vouch for ANY politician 100% should have their head examined. The difference with him is that he is the only candidate in the race who has been drafted to run. That always puts the person in a much higher category of integrity and trustworthiness on the political scale.

Hey, it’d be nice to resurrect Douglas MacArthur, but we gotta take what we got. ;-)


248 posted on 07/23/2007 10:05:47 PM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (~~~Jihad Fever -- Catch It !~~~ (Backup tag: "Live Fred or Die"))
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To: DJ MacWoW
Yes, You are wrong. Who are you going to blame WHEN there is another attack?

Know something you'd like to share with the rest of us?

So who is going to attack us?

Now if you want to discuss the Chinese or resurgent Russian threat, that is an entirely different matter, but set this nonsense about an islamic bomb aside. If you want to discuss a real terrorist threat, PM me. i will not discuss it publicly.

You have a better chance of dying in an automobile accident than from an islamic terrorist attack.

249 posted on 07/23/2007 10:12:18 PM PDT by Calvinist_Dark_Lord ((I have come here to kick @$$ and chew bubblegum...and I'm all outta bubblegum! ~Roddy Piper))
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To: Clintonfatigued; fieldmarshaldj; Allegra
Many of the 400 were there for the same sort of reason that drew carnival patrons to pay to see the bearded lady or the three-headed dog. In the old days, there was Ripley's Believe It or Not.

Nowadays we have paleoPaulie. Hurry, hurry, hurry, step right up and for one thin dime, one tenth of a dollar you can witness a genyouwine (phonetic) antiwar antiAmerican moonbat posing as a GOP Congresscritter AND, if you can believe it, a presidential candidate! He walks, he talks, he craaaaawwwwwls on his belly like a reptile and not without reason and I don't mean the magazine.

250 posted on 07/23/2007 11:49:17 PM PDT by BlackElk (Dean of Discipline of the Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemen's Club)
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