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Where were these WMDs manufactured? The ISG didn't find any facilities in Iraq capable of making such huge quantities.

Tighten up your tinfoil DUmb@ss. The Zionists are coming to get you.

There's some evidence that Chalabi was in kahoots with Iran. He was a major source of the bogus information on Iraq+WMDs. Who supplied us with the "WMDs moved to Syria/BV" intel? Since they didn't exist, who fed us that bogus information?

I'm not sure why such an important question caused you to fly off on some paranoid "JOOOOOOOS" rant.

I thought all the Iraqi WMD stockpile was moved by trucks to Syria/Bekaa Valley??? Was it jets or trucks? Also, who stood to gain from the US attacking Syria/Bekaa Valley in pursuit of the the "Iraqi WMDs"?

I think my original post caused confusion. Of course, you can't buy chemical weapons on the open market. You can, or could in the past, buy pesticides and other chemicals that, with further processing, could be turned into CW. These are the well known "dual use" products.

Classic, you ignore the official reports on WMDs from our government and base your attitude on various amateur analyses. Am I to believe that *all* official sources have been "gotten" by the Democrats? Here are some quotes from the ISG:

While a small number of old, abandoned chemical munitions have been discovered, ISG judges that Iraq unilaterally destroyed its undeclared chemical weapons stockpile in 1991.

In practical terms, with the destruction of the Al Hakam facility, Iraq abandoned its ambition to obtain advanced BW weapons quickly. ISG found no direct evidence that Iraq, after 1996, had plans for a new BW program or was conducting BW-specific work for military purposes.

In spite of exhaustive investigation, ISG found no evidence that Iraq possessed, or was developing BW agent production systems mounted on road vehicles or railway wagons.

Iraq Survey Group (ISG) discovered further evidence of the maturity and signifi cance of the pre-1991 Iraqi Nuclear Program but found that Iraq’s ability to reconstitute a nuclear weapons program progressively decayed after that date.

Here's a pdf with the Key Findings: ISG Key Findings

You can believe whoever you want. I'll stick with the expert testimony and findings.

You have no idea who I am. Anyway, if I understand correctly from your posts that you have a son or daughter in Iraq right now, I think getting them out of there ASAP is the best policy. We are *not* going to fight this war properly. Leaving our people there for Jihadi target practice is immoral, imho.

Degraded, pre-1991 junk. Where are the mobile WMD labs? Where are any active WMD factories? Where are the arrays of uranium centrifuges required to produce nukes?

There was no imminent or even near-term threat from Iraq in 2003.

What surprises me is that no one on FR is angry that our government was misled into a war. I sure as hell am. We need to find out who fed us the bad information and punish them. Chalabi should be tops on our hit list, right next to Sadr.

Well, I'm back because I got new marching orders from the DNC. Does that satisfy your paranoia?

I got sucked into the election coverage here a few weeks ago. The disastrous outcome hasn't changed much. Anyway, we're going to bug out of Iraq ASAP. Why so many here can't see it is beyond me. The viciousness of the attacks, name calling, etc. against those who realize what's happening is a bad thing for FR. Feel free to post links rebutting any of the claims I make in my posts.

I still think FR is the place to be for breaking war, space, etc. news.

A remnant of the old Paris will still remain: it will produce the most stylish Burkhas, Jilbabs, etc.

Give me a link to documentation of the US providing even a single ready-to-go chemical weapon (artillery shell, bomb, anything) to the Iraqis in the 1980s. Put up or shut up.

Read more closely - they bought the chemicals used to create WMDs on the open market. They didn't buy Sarin or whatever, they bought the precursors and ran them through a process to create chemical weapons. You probably have some of those precursors in your kitchen right now. Did you get them from Rumsfeld in the 1980s?

Iraq didn't walk into a Walmart and start picking WMDs off the shelf ("I'll take the 5 gallon jug of Sarin on the right, please"). They manufactured them from chemicals used in standard industrial processes. Please use google.com to find out more.

And a bad one. Are you trying to tell me that we sold WMD weapons to Iraq??? WMDs are made from standard chemicals available all over the world. Any chemist could make them. Hell, a nutcase in Japan made them a decade ago. Are you going to claim he got them from us too?

I completely agree with you ... but it doesn't matter. We are NOT going to fight this war properly. We should pull our soldiers out now to prevent more of them from being killed or maimed for nothing.

People on other threads call me a coward/Murtha/etc. but I'm just being realistic. We aren't going to fight so, imho, it's immoral to let our soldiers be targets for snipers and IEDs.

That's BS. We didn't sell WMDs to Iraq. Saddam got the materials in the open market.

Good grief, that was 15 or more years ago. He didn't have WMDs when we invaded in 2003.

If you believe he had them when we invaded, where are they? If you believe he buried them in the desert somewhere, why haven't they been used against our bases in Iraq or the Green Zone? If you believe he gave them to AQ, why haven't they been used against US targets anywhere in the world?

It's time to wake up and smell the coffee. We got suckered into invading Iraq. It is unforgiveable that we did not verify the existence of WMDs in Iraq before we invaded. An unimaginable, colossal blunder.

That isn't going to happen. Forget about it. Start pulling our soldiers out NOW and cut our losses. Anything less would be immoral.

I could have replied to your insulting post with something like "The BushBots ... are everywhere nowadays ... Sheesh" but didn't. You're not a DU'er and deserve better.

There is NO EVIDENCE that Saddam had actual WMDs. Our people have searched Iraq for three years. Bush would have been standing on top of the WH with a bullhorn announcing a major find. Give it up.

Why would Saddam have moved his WMDs to Syria or anywhere else??? Makes no sense at all. However, the same people who tricked Bush into Iraq probably thought they could trick him again into pursuing "Iraqi WMD trucks" into Syria.

Gee, that's still too complicated for me. Make it simple: were our "tactical and strategic objectives" in Iraq to be in a guerilla war taking 50 KIA / 500 WIA per month with thousands of Iraqis killed per month? There is no trend downwards in the numbers.

Do you see a victory in the current strategy? Are you content with the current results? Please don't roll out the standard "we're training xxxxx million Iraqi army recruits" stuff. We both know that ain't working.

No, are you?

There are dictators all over the world who were/are worse than Saddam. Do you support invading those countries too?

BTW, there have been far too many unpublicised terrorist acts pre-empted to pretend AQ and other Islamic extremeist operatives haven't nor are very busy in efforts to deploy unconventional weaponry to ignore the intelligence indicators.

Do you have documentation of any AQ attack using Iraqi WMDs, either before or after the war?

If you choose to play along the rather inept socialist media campaign to discredit anything supporting the GWOT, then remain myopically absorbed on GW Bush and the Iraq Campaign. The situation is dynamic and that basically is old business.

Huh??? I consider the daily killing and maiming of our boys in Iraq to be of prime concern to everyone, not just "old business".