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A Message to All the Cut and Run Freepers Currently Polluting Free Republic
Friday, November 24, 2006 | Kristinn

Posted on 11/24/2006 6:46:08 PM PST by kristinn

I'm reading an astonishing number of comments on Free Republic these days by posters who have joined the ranks of the anti-American left in calling for an immediate withdrawal from Iraq. Some claim to have military experience, some claim to be patriotic Americans and some claim to be smarter than the rest.

These posters are joining the Murtha-Rangel-McDermott treason caucus. Oh, they say they love the troops, but their decision to abandon them in the field speaks otherwise.

Three years ago, the United States led an international coalition to rid the world of one of the worst regimes on the planet. Saddam Hussein was an international terrorist: He financed terrorism, he trained terrorists and he harbored terrorists. He waged war on Iran, Kuwait, Saudi Arabia and Israel. He waged war on the people of Iraq, including genocidal campaigns against the Kurds in the north and the marsh Arabs in the south.

Saddam successfully subverted the Oil-for-Food program and was wearing down support for continuing the sanctions keeping him in check.

He had numerous contacts with al Qaeda over the years. He tried to assassinate a former U.S. president. He maintained research capabilities to implement nuclear, chemical and biological weapons as soon as the sanctions were lifted. There is evidence that some of these programs would have been operational within a year even with the sanctions in place.

The decision to remove Saddam and his regime as part of the Global War on Terror was correct.

Three-and-a-half years after Iraq and the world were liberated from Saddam and his terrorist regime, there are those on Free Republic who are clamoring to give up, surrender, cut and run, stab the troops in the back, betray the Iraqis, betray our allies in the GWOT, spit on the graves of our fallen heroes and join Cindy Sheehan, Medea Benjamin and Ramsey Clark in bringing about America's defeat in the GWOT.

It's only been three-and-a-half years--only six months since the freely elected government in Iraq was formed. In that time, what has been called a mini-Marshall Plan of construction and reconstruction has come to fruition. The Iraqis have held three national elections, they have held numerous local elections, fourteen out of eighteen Iraq provinces are relatively peaceful and stable.

Six months ago, when the Iraqi government was formed, the experts said the war would be taken to Baghdad because our enemies in the region could not abide the example of a free, democratic society in the Middle East. For once, the experts were right. The battle of Baghdad has been a prolonged Tet Offensive style operation of headline-grabbing attacks intended to sap the morale of Americans and Iraqis alike.

From what I've been reading on Free Republic lately, a lot of Freepers have fallen for the enemy's ploy and are howling like barking moonbats for our immediate withdrawal from Iraq. Some of that talk is couched in talk of 'we're fighting a PC war like Vietnam!' The soldiers I met in Iraq recently told Debra Argel Bastian to pass on a message to the Vietnam vets criticizing the war: With all due respect to your service, this is not Vietnam. It is not being fought like Vietnam. Please let us finish our mission.

But our enemy is playing the Vietnam ploy to great benefit. They know they can count on the American and world media to broadcast their propaganda. They work with leftist Americans to sabotage the war effort at home. They know these leftist Americans have allies in the Democratic party. They know they do not need a military victory--only political and psychological victories are needed to defeat America.

You guys are playing right in to their hands. Congratulations.

There are those who argue that murder and dictatorship is the mindset of the Middle East and that will not be changed by our actions. Funny how those who smugly denigrate the Arab peoples' capacity for freedom forget the wholesale slaughter of millions of Westerners by Westerners at the hands of Western dictatorships just a few generations past.

I hear complaints that the Iraqis aren't standing up. Yet, to use one common example, when police recruits are slaughtered in bombings, Iraqis line up the next day at the same recruiting center. The insurgency is small in number, but they are able to do enough damage on a daily basis to stretch out the time it will take to secure the whole of Iraq.

At this time of our testing, the American people are starting to go wobbly. Sadly, many Freepers are too. Our troops and their Commander-in-Chief are not, thank God. It's only been three-and-a-half years. The progress made has been phenomonal. Throw in the towel now, and you'll just have the terrorists follow us home. Everyone knows that, including you. I'm not willing to pay that price, not now, not ever, but you are.

Let me close by offering similar sentiments recently offered by two men 'in the know' on the situation in Iraq who are not giving up. First, Kurdish Regional Government Prime Minister Barzani: "When I was in the United States recently and read the negative news in the Washington Post, New York Times and in the network TV broadcasts, I even wondered if things had gotten so bad since I had left that I shouldn't return."

Next, Gen. Abizaid: "When I come to Washington, I feel despair. When I'm in Iraq with my commanders, when I talk to our soldiers, when I talk to the Iraqi leadership, they are not despairing."


TOPICS: News/Current Events; War on Terror; Your Opinion/Questions
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Thank you for reading this.
1 posted on 11/24/2006 6:46:10 PM PST by kristinn
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To: kristinn

Thank you for writing it.


2 posted on 11/24/2006 6:47:59 PM PST by Revolting cat! (Who invented rock and roll hiccups?)
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To: kristinn

FReepers don't cut and run from terrorists and we don't cut and run from democrats.


3 posted on 11/24/2006 6:49:23 PM PST by cripplecreek (If stupidity got us into this mess, then why can't it get us out?)
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To: kristinn

Thanks for posting this.


4 posted on 11/24/2006 6:49:36 PM PST by mdittmar (May God watch over those who serve,and have served, to keep us free.)
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To: kristinn
"When I come to Washington, I feel despair."

Sir, everything that comes OUT of Washington breathes despair.

5 posted on 11/24/2006 6:50:01 PM PST by madison10 (If my people, who are called by My name will humble themselves and pray...I will heal their land.)
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To: kristinn

Well put, kristinn. Thank you.


6 posted on 11/24/2006 6:50:04 PM PST by speedy
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To: kristinn

Bump

Thank you


7 posted on 11/24/2006 6:50:17 PM PST by nuconvert ([there's a lot of bad people in the pistachio business] (...but his head is so tiny...))
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To: kristinn
Next, Gen. Abizaid: "When I come to Washington, I feel despair. When I'm in Iraq with my commanders, when I talk to our soldiers, when I talk to the Iraqi leadership, they are not despairing."

Good quote.
8 posted on 11/24/2006 6:50:20 PM PST by kinoxi
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To: kristinn

Thank YOU, for all you do!


9 posted on 11/24/2006 6:50:33 PM PST by digger48
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To: B-Chan; GraniteStateConservative

bttt.


10 posted on 11/24/2006 6:51:08 PM PST by vbmoneyspender
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To: kristinn

Yes but how do you really feel? :-)


11 posted on 11/24/2006 6:51:09 PM PST by Valin (Rick Santorum 08)
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To: kristinn

Well done, kristinn. As usual.


12 posted on 11/24/2006 6:51:14 PM PST by doug from upland (Stopping Hillary should be a FreeRepublic Manhattan Project)
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To: kristinn

Good message bro'.


13 posted on 11/24/2006 6:52:33 PM PST by sauropod ("Come have some pie with me.")
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To: kristinn

Well said.


14 posted on 11/24/2006 6:52:44 PM PST by TWfromTEXAS (We are at war - Man up or Shut up.)
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To: kristinn

thanks


15 posted on 11/24/2006 6:52:58 PM PST by righthand man (WE'RE SOUTHERN AND PROUD OF IT)
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To: kristinn

Is reasonable discussion of the issue even an option for patriotic Americans, or is there only one acceptable path? Is everyone who questions it an enemy of America and the troops?


16 posted on 11/24/2006 6:53:15 PM PST by Young Scholar
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To: kristinn

This should be made a "stickie," and an optional read prior to entering the forum. Thank you. Now let's get to work on care packages for the troops for Christmas.


17 posted on 11/24/2006 6:54:16 PM PST by Harrius Magnus (Not Welcome.)
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To: kinoxi

WWPD?
What
Would
Patton
Do?
If we can't fight it the way he and McArthur would we should leave. Why let our soldiers die for "the PC cause." If the "PC" people ran football we'd have flag, co-sex and Saturday/Sunday afternoons would be ruined forever.


18 posted on 11/24/2006 6:54:16 PM PST by personalaccts (Is George W going to protect the border?)
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To: kristinn
When my unit was pulled out of Viet Nam in 1971 the people in the village where I lived cried. They hugged us and said they were going to die when the North came. The North came and they did. We can't do that again!

http://www.capmarine.com

19 posted on 11/24/2006 6:56:15 PM PST by chesty_puller (USMC 70-73 3MAF VN 70-71 US Army 75-79 3d Inf Old Guard)
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To: kristinn
thank you Kristinn
20 posted on 11/24/2006 6:56:52 PM PST by vigilante2 (Thank You Veterans)
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To: Young Scholar

Don't you think it is appropriate to criticize Freepers who have given up, when the troops haven't?


21 posted on 11/24/2006 6:57:19 PM PST by vbmoneyspender
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To: kristinn
BTTT! Only Drive-By Freepers say cut and run.

And thanks for the reports from Iraq, Kristinn. They're great pleasure to read.

Speaking of pleasure, I still chuckle over something that happened during your Freep in Philly. You prompted Sheehan to say the dumbest thing a Leftist ever said: If freedom weren't free, they'd call it expensivedom! Keep the faith!

22 posted on 11/24/2006 6:58:07 PM PST by RedRover (They are not killers. Defend our Marines.)
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To: kristinn

Give 'em Hell, Kristinn!


23 posted on 11/24/2006 6:58:13 PM PST by SquirrelKing
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To: kristinn

We dishonor our troops by leaving before victory is achieved. doesn't anybody but us get it?


24 posted on 11/24/2006 6:58:23 PM PST by hobblemaster
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To: Young Scholar

Depends on who you ask. Some of us welcome debate. Others must experience bleeding from the ears whenever criticism of the actions of certain politicans is heard to judge from their acidic responses.


25 posted on 11/24/2006 6:58:23 PM PST by KantianBurke
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To: kristinn

Okay, but ...

FoxNews has been running a bit where GW is saying "I'm not sure what we are going to do [in Iraq]."

That is very unsettling. If HE doesn't know, who DOES?

That bit makes the Administration sound more and more inept at their handling of Iraq.

Maybe GW needs to give Jon Carry a call. At least we know Jon Carry has a plan .... for all occasions.


26 posted on 11/24/2006 6:58:34 PM PST by TomGuy
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To: kristinn

Despair is not a strategy.


27 posted on 11/24/2006 6:58:54 PM PST by Choose Ye This Day (Despair is not a strategy.)
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To: kristinn

Taxman Bravo Zulu Kristinn!

Simply put, those of us who support prosecution of the GWOT with all our military might and expertise are right, and the LIEberal/Socialist/Marxist Bastards who follow of "Cut and Run" Murtha and the rest of his weak-kneed, lily livered syncophants are wrong.

The USA must stand and fight against tyranny and for FReedom!

It is as simple as that.


28 posted on 11/24/2006 6:58:55 PM PST by Taxman (So that the beautiful pressure does not diminish!)
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To: kristinn

If you think it's bad now, wait until the RATS (& their lapdog the MSM) really start exercising their power.


29 posted on 11/24/2006 6:59:34 PM PST by lilylangtree (Veni, Vidi, Vici)
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To: SandRat; Marine_Uncle

Ping


30 posted on 11/24/2006 6:59:45 PM PST by mdittmar (May God watch over those who serve,and have served, to keep us free.)
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To: kristinn
I don't think it's "going wobbly" to question the presidents strategy of using our soldiers as babysitters for the monkeymen of Mesopotamia.

Is it unpatriotic to question if we are actually using enough ruthless fire power of if we have enough boots on the ground?

I don't think so.

31 posted on 11/24/2006 6:59:58 PM PST by zarf
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To: vbmoneyspender

The troops don't make the decisions.


32 posted on 11/24/2006 7:00:09 PM PST by Conservababe
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To: personalaccts
If we can't fight it the way he and McArthur would we should leave

What the hell are you talking about? Different times require different strategies. Are you suggesting unguided inaccurate carpet bombing?
33 posted on 11/24/2006 7:00:16 PM PST by kinoxi
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To: Young Scholar

Go ahead, ask your question.


34 posted on 11/24/2006 7:00:16 PM PST by Valin (Rick Santorum 08)
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To: kristinn
Three-and-a-half years after Iraq and the world were liberated from Saddam and his terrorist regime, there are those on Free Republic who are clamoring to give up, surrender, cut and run, stab the troops in the back, betray the Iraqis, betray our allies in the GWOT, spit on the graves of our fallen heroes and join Cindy Sheehan, Medea Benjamin and Ramsey Clark in bringing about America's defeat in the GWOT.

....usually prefaced by, "I used to be a long time conservative, but......"

35 posted on 11/24/2006 7:00:24 PM PST by He Rides A White Horse (Unite)
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To: kristinn
I'm reading an astonishing number of comments on Free Republic these days by posters who have joined the ranks of the anti-American left in calling for an immediate withdrawal from Iraq. Some claim to have military experience, some claim to be patriotic Americans and some claim to be smarter than the rest.

I've seen no evidence of this at all. Regardless, a cut'n run poster would be ZOTted. Ergo, I don't see the purpose of this thread.

Cheers.

36 posted on 11/24/2006 7:00:32 PM PST by Cobra64 (Why is the War on Terror being managed by the DEFENSE Department?)
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To: kristinn

I have no desire to see this turn into another war, where our troops apparently died in vain; that means seeing Iraq through to victory. Our opposition on the left knows nothing other than Viet Nam, and attempts to recreate it with every military intervention. What has me dismayed, though, is the apparent sacking of Donald Rumsfeld, in favor of the James Baker ISG "realist" camp, who reportedly want to negotiate with Iran and Syria. I'm not cutting and running, but more than just a little bit of doubt is beginning to trickle in, as far as the administration's commitment to not cutting and running themselves. I would feel much better if this was negated and laid to rest.


37 posted on 11/24/2006 7:00:43 PM PST by RegulatorCountry
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To: Young Scholar

How about those of us who were on board with the decision to go in, on board for the removal of Saddam, on board for the killing of his sons -- but wonder why, now, we are (apparently) just sending Marines and soldiers out on patrols, waiting to be blown apart by those who aren't being turned in by other Iraqis. Bush and the people around him have, to my eye, decided to minimize violence against the "innocent" and find many more of them to protect than seems legit. We need vicious, continual, utter destruction -- and then, when enough of them are dead, we come home. Bush could start with retracting the silly idea that Islam is just another God-worshipping religion. Just who, exactly, is being weak-kneed?


38 posted on 11/24/2006 7:00:47 PM PST by SoCalRight
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To: kristinn
Neoconservatism is an aberration that deserves to die, and would die faster if it were not for partisanship. Classic conservatives should never support adventures in nation building because we recognize a great truth of human nature: culture matters. To put it more bluntly:
Premise #1: Muslims are not capable of making Democracy work

Thus, the only circumstances under which I would support staying in Iraq are:

Premise #2: we can use "dumb" technology and level the whole country, "good" and "bad" Iraqis together

If we haven't reached that point (and I do not think we have), then we shouldn't have our militay in Iraq.

I would humbly submit that neoconservatives need to go back to first principles.

39 posted on 11/24/2006 7:00:51 PM PST by Jibaholic (Whatever you want men to do to you, do also to them, for this is the Law and the Prophets)
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To: kristinn

I'm with you...thanks for posting this!


40 posted on 11/24/2006 7:00:56 PM PST by tubebender (Growing old is mandatory...Growing up is optional)
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To: Young Scholar

Yes.
Next?


41 posted on 11/24/2006 7:01:03 PM PST by mabelkitty
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To: kristinn

We CAN'T cut-and-run.

Osama Bin Laddin himself said Americnas were "soft". Muslims and Islamic society is a war obsessed society and cutting and running is out of the question. To loose face by leaving at this juncture would endanger what little respect tehy might have for us. At this point it isn't much. It was quite a bit after Shake and Awe.

Equally out of the question is let things remain as they are. We should use Iraq and Afghanistan as military bases to take out the Baathists in Syria and the Ayatollahs in Iran. Iraq will never be secure with the Ayatollahs running Iran and the Baathists in Syria.

THEN leave and let them deal with the mess THEY hace cerated in Syria and Iran.


42 posted on 11/24/2006 7:01:13 PM PST by ZULU (Non nobis, non nobis, Domine, sed nomini tuo da gloriam. God, guts, and guns made America great.)
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To: Revolting cat!
I posted this earlier today on the RFK film review and likened the comparison to present day "cut and run" scenario:

In a series of oral history interviews for the JFK Library, RFK said that "it was worthwhile for psychological, political reasons" to stay in Vietnam.

RFK said: "The President felt that he had a strong, overwhelming reason for being in Vietnam and that we should win the war in Vietnam....If you lost Vietnam, I think everybody was quite clear that the rest of Southeast Asia would fall." (32)

John Bartlow Martin point-blank asked RFK: "if the President was convinced that the United States had to stay in Vietnam." The one-word response was "Yes." (33)

43 posted on 11/24/2006 7:01:18 PM PST by fight_truth_decay
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To: personalaccts
If we can't fight it the way he and McArthur would we should leave.

This isn't WWII.

44 posted on 11/24/2006 7:01:23 PM PST by FreeReign
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To: personalaccts
If the "PC" people ran football....

Already happening. I've seen countless "roughing" penalties this year for play only slightly rougher than flag football.

WWPD?

Answer: Certainly not what we're now doing. Different era, different breed. The PC that has infected almost every aspect of American life would've undoubtedly repulsed him.

45 posted on 11/24/2006 7:01:25 PM PST by Mr. Mojo
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To: Young Scholar
Well said young scholar. Guess the opening vitriol stopped you from posting specifics. Pulling out doesn't mean not going back, except to a Democrat. As I see it, leave 9MM ammo and weapons on every street corner. Go back in one year and shoot the winner.

If people really support the troops, then express the need to blow the living ... er .. out of the Iranians; put the Chinese feet to the trade fires and generally give the terrorists the idea we are going to win. As it is now, these guys are pop-up targets. There is a NEED for change in strategy and definitive action. In war the more timid the approach the more casualties.

46 posted on 11/24/2006 7:01:34 PM PST by Sam Ketcham (Amnesty means vote dilution, increased taxes to bring them UP to the Poverty Level!)
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To: Young Scholar
is there only one acceptable path

Yes. Victory.

47 posted on 11/24/2006 7:01:56 PM PST by M. Thatcher
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To: Conservababe

Huh?


48 posted on 11/24/2006 7:01:57 PM PST by vbmoneyspender
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To: He Rides A White Horse

Or: "I'm as Republican as anyone..."

Or: "I'm a Reagan conservative, but..."


49 posted on 11/24/2006 7:02:10 PM PST by Choose Ye This Day (Despair is not a strategy.)
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To: cripplecreek
FReepers don't cut and run from terrorists and we don't cut and run from democrats.

Truer words were never spoken.

50 posted on 11/24/2006 7:02:18 PM PST by Cobra64 (Why is the War on Terror being managed by the DEFENSE Department?)
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