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Picture Curtis-Wright legally forbidding pilots from informing the US government of results of dogfights between its wildcats and Japanese zeroes in 1942? We might all be speaking Japanese now....

Near as I can tell, most of the cars which have been sold over the last ten years are nearly pollution free, and pollution has become a sort of a 90/10 proposition, with 10% of the vehicles causing 90% of the pollution. The biggest problem as I see it is the cost of newer cars; the best possible way to get the older cars off the road would be to have newer cars available for $5000 instead of $15000 or $25000. A basic good quality car like the Dodge Neon or Toyota Corolla, freed from government regulations for airbags and other unnecessary expenses, might could be sold for that.

Maybe something new has happened which I've never heard about, but my understanding has always been that many experiments have always yeilded the result that gravity was instantaneous within the error bounds of measurement.

One possibility nobody seems to have considered: End the war on drugs and declare a war on (voting) fraud on the same day. You could keep the entire prison/industrial system intact; every dopehead you throw out of prison would simply be one more prison cell available for a democrat. Not a single loser in the whole picture who you could feel sorry for!

"According to Einstein's theory, the speed of gravity is assumed to be equal to the speed of light ," said Sergei Kopeikin, MU associate professor of physics and astronomy. "While there is indirect evidence this is true, the speed has never been measured directly, and that's what we're attempting to do in an experiment that will not be possible again for another decade."

You gotta be kidding? As I've read it, the fact that gravity propagates instantaneously is well known and has been for some time.

Apparently that caused a few problems for Albert Einstein, but he has bigger problems than that at present.

Einstein was trying to use relativistic time to account for the fact that light does not obey the ordinary additive laws for velocities. This was based on what he called "thought experiments", such as the mirror-clock experiment, rather than upon anything resembling real evidence or real experiments. Thought experiments, it turns out, are not a terribly good basis for physics. Moreover, the basic approach is unsound. Louis Carrol Epstein ("Relativity Envisioned"), uses the following analogy: a carpenter with a house in which everything worked flawlessly other than one door which bound, would usually plane the door until it worked. He COULD, however, purchase a couple of hundred jacks and jack the foundation of the house until the one door worked, and then try to somehow or other make every other door and window in the house work again... Light is the one door in the analogy; distance, time, mass etc., i.e. everything else in the house of physics are the other doors and windows. Epstein assumes that relativity is the one case you will ever find in which that sort of approach is the correct one, nonetheless, common sense tells us it isn't terribly likely.

It turns out there is another way in which one could account for light not obeying additive laws, and that this other way is the correct one. That is to assume that light simply does not have a velocity; that it is an instantaneous force between two points, and that the thing we call the "velocity of light" is the rate of accumulation of some secondary effect.

The story on this one lives HERE

The basic Ralph Sansbury experiment amounts to a 1990s version of the Michelson/Moreley experiment using lasers and nanosecond gates, which Michelson and Moreley did not have. Wallace Thornhill, an Australian physicist, describes it:

>I mentioned a few weeks ago that an epoch making experiment had been
>performed in the realm of fundamental physics which had great
>importance for Velikovskian style catastrophism (and just about
>everything else for that matter). The experiment, performed by Ralph
>Sansbury, is amazingly simple but has amazing consequences.
>
>Sansbury is a quiet spoken physicist from Connecticut.  He is
>associated with the Classical Physics Institute, or CP Institute, of
>New York which publishes the Journal of Classical Physics. In the
>Notes to Contributors we find the focus of the journal: "Marinov's
>experiment, Bell's theorem, and similar works reveal increasing
>discontent with the dogmas of modern physics. Some physicists
>postulate that blackbody radiation, atomic spectra, nuclear reactions,
>electron diffraction, the speed of light and all other phenomena which
>Quantum Wave Mechanics and Relativity were designed to explain will
>require different explanations. It is the viewpoint of this journal
>that the new explanations probably will be consistent with
>Aristotelian logic and Newtonian or Galilean mechanics." Volume 1,
>Part 1, in January 1982 was devoted to an article titled "Electron
>Structure", by Ralph Sansbury. The title itself should raise
>physicist's eyebrows since electrons are considered to have no
>structure. They are treated as being indivisible, along with quarks.
>
>The fallout from Sansbury's idea, if proven, is prodigious. To begin,
>for the first time we have a truly unifying theory where both
>magnetism and gravity become a derived form of instantaneous
>electrostatic force. The Lorentz contraction-dilation of space time
>and mass is unnecessary. Electromagnetic radiation becomes the
>cumulative effect of instantaneous electrostatic forces at a distance
>and the wave/particle (photon) duality disappears. Discontinuous
>absorption/emission of energy in quanta by atoms becomes a continuous
>process. And there is more.
>
>Sansbury's was a thousand dollar experiment using 10 nanosecond long
>pulses of laser light, one pulse every 400 nsec. At some distance from
>the laser was a photodiode detector. But in the light path, directly
>in front of the detector was a high speed electronic shutter (known as
>a Pockel cell) which could be switched to allow the laser light
>through to the detector, or stop it.
>
>Now, light is considered to travel as a wavefront or photon at the
>speed of light. Viewed this way, it covers a distance of about 1 foot
>per nanosecond. So the laser could be regarded as sending out 10ft
>long bursts of light every 400ft, at the speed of light. The
>experiment simply kept the Pockel cell shutter closed during the 400ft
>of no light and opened to allow the 10ft burst through to the detector.
>
>What happened?
>
>The detector saw nothing!!!
>
>It is as if a gun were fired at a target and for the time of flight of
>the bullet a shield were placed over the target. At the last moment,
>the shield is pulled away - and the bullet has disappeared; the target
>is untouched!
>
>What does it mean?
>
>Only that Maxwell's theory of the propagation of electromagnetic waves
>is wrong! Only that Einstein's Special theory of relativity (which was
>to reconcile Maxwell's theory with simple kinematics) is wrong! Only
>that, as a result, the interpretation of most of modern physics is
>wrong!
>
>As another classical physicist using a theoretical approach to the
>same problem succinctly put it:
>
>"... there emerges the outline of an alternative "relativistic"
>physics, quite distinct from that of Maxwell-Einstein, fully as well
>confirmed by the limited observations available to date, and differing
>from it not only in innumerable testable ways but also in basic
>physical concepts and even in definitional or ethnical (sic) premises
>as to the nature of physics. Thus a death struggle is joined that must
>result in the destruction of one world-system or the other: Either
>light is complicated and matter simple, as I think, or matter is
>complicated and light simple, as Einstein thought. I have shown here
>that some elegant mathematics can be put behind my view. It has long
>been known that inordinate amounts of elegant mathematics can be put
>behind Einstein's. Surely the time fast approaches to stop listening
>to mathematical amplifications of our own internal voices and to go
>into the laboratory and listen to what nature has to say." -
>Modifications of Maxwell's Equations, T E Phipps, The Classical
>Journal of Physics, Vol 2, 1, Jan 1983, p. 21.
>
>Ralph Sansbury has now done precisely that!
>
>In simple terms, Sansbury gives the electron a structure by proposing
>a number of charged particles (he calls subtrons) orbiting within the
>classical radius of an electron. A simple calculation gives the
>surprising result that these subtrons are moving at a speed of 2.5
>million light years per second! That is, they could theoretically
>cover the distance from Earth to the far side of the Andromeda galaxy
>in one second. This gives some meaning to the term 'instantaneous
>action at a distance'. (Note that this is a requirement for any new
>theory of gravity). (Also I have always considered it evidence of
>peculiar naivety or arrogance on the part of scientists, such as
>Sagan, who search for extra-terrestrial intelligence (SETI) by using
>radio signals. What superior intelligence would use such a slow, and
>therefore useless, interstellar signalling system?) Such near infinite
>speed requires that there can be no mass increase with velocity. The
>speed of light is not a speed barrier. All of the experiments which
>seem to support Einstein's notion are interpreted by Sansbury in a
>more common-sense fashion. When an electron or other charged particle
>is accelerated in an electromagnetic field, it is distorted from a
>sphere into an ellipsoid. The more electromagnetic energy applied to
>accelerating the particle, the more energy is absorbed by distortion
>of the particle until, ultimately, at the speed of light, there is an
>expulsion of the subtrons. Under such conditions, the particle only
>APPEARS to be gaining mass.
>
>Notably, in the past few months, scientists in Hamburg using the most
>powerful electron microscope have found on about a dozen occasions out
>of 10 million trials, relativistic electrons recoiled more violently
>off protons than had ever been seen before. This may turn out to be
>direct experimental proof of Sansbury's model of the electron having
>structure.
>
>To return to the experiment involving a "chopped" light beam: One of
>the major requirements of the new theory is instantaneous
>electrostatic forces between subtrons. This forms the basis of a
>radical new view of the basis of electromagnetic radiation which is
>now the subject of stunning experimental confirmation. In Sansbury's
>view, a signal from a light source is received instantly by a distant
>detector and the speed of light delay in detecting the signal is due
>to the time taken for the ACCUMULATED RESPONSE of the subtrons in the
>detector to result in a threshold signal at the electron level. This
>is totally at variance with orthodox interpretations which would have
>the light travelling as a discrete photon or wave packet at the speed
>of light.
>
>In terms of the gun and target analogy, it is as if particles of the
>bullet are being absorbed by the shield from the instant of firing, so
>that when the shield is pulled aside there is no bullet left to hit
>the target.
>
>It is not possible to overstate the importance of this work because it
>lends direct support to a new model of the electron in particular, and
>matter in general, which EXPLAINS magnetism, gravity and quantum
>effects without any resort to the kind of metaphysics which allows our
>top physicists to think they can see "God" in their equations.  The
>new classical physicists can mix it with the best of them when it
>comes to the mathematics but they are more prepared to "go into the
>laboratory and listen to what nature has to say."
>
>This work is of crucial importance for Velikovskian re-arrangements of
>the solar system in recent times because astronomers have been able to
>say that such scenarios defy the laws of physics - which is true,
>insofar as they know the laws of physics. To discover that gravity is
>a form of charge polarization within the particles that make up the
>atom, rather than a warp in space (whatever the hell that means),
>gives us a simple mechanism by which the solar system can be rapidly
>stabilised after a period of chaotic motion.
>
>There is an impression, as I reread the work of Sansbury and other
>classical physicists, that what we are facing is something like "Back
>to the Future". And like the movie of that name, the possibilities
>that we encounter will seem like science fiction come true. But it is
>well-known that science fiction writers are better at predicting the
>future of science than experts!

Sansbury as I've heard it describes the instantaneous propagation speed of gravity and related phenomena as essentially equivalent to the computed necessary speed of a sub-electron particle which, while not really infinite, would get you from here to one of the near galaxies in a couple of seconds or thereabouts.

Catastrophism

• Kronia
• Catastrophism dot Com
• Aeon
• Global Flood(s)
• Velikovsky Page, Links
• Saturn Thesis
• Al DeGrazia's web site, Quantavolution, Solaria Binaria etc.
• Venus and Differing Paradigms
• Holden WWW Site, Main Page
• American Indians and Dinosaurs
• World Ages Archive

Big Bang, Electric Sun, Plasma Physics and Cosmology Etc.

• Wal Thornhill home page
• Electric Universe
• Tony Peratt, Los Alamos; plasma cosmology etc.
• Don Scott's Version of Electric Sun Theory
• DragonScience: Arp, Demise of Big Bang etc.
• Goodman Site
• Halton Arp WWW Site

Finding Cities in all the Wrong Places

Given standard theories wrt the history of our solar system and our own planet, nobody should be finding cities and villages on Mars, 2100 feet beneath the waves off Cuba, or buried under two miles of Antarctic ice.

• Hydaspis Chaos
• More on Hydaspis Chaos
• City off Cuba
• More on City off Cuba
• Images of City off Cuba
• Lake Vostok Magnetic Anomaly
• Recent Cydonia Images and their Meanings

I'm only "universally scorned" amongst jackasses...

Let me rephrase what I said. You're not scorned. If anything, you're pitied....

I'm only "pitied" by jackasses...

One thing you might notice with the turko-mongol bow is that a right-handed shooter is going to hold the arrow on the right side of the bow since the grip you see in the image is going to torque the arrow to his left instead of to his right as is the case with finger shooting. The grooved ring is worn around the thumb and acts like a modern release device. The shooter locks the thumbring groove around the string and locks the upper two fingers over the thumb, and then snaps the thumb loose to shoot. This wsa the ultimate weapon in warfare for a thousand years prior to workable gunpowder weaponry.

I'm only "universally scorned" amongst jackasses, and guess what? I don't even LIKE jackasses, much less care what they think.

Whattsa matter, Card? Nothing to say? All that bliss getting to you all of a sudden???

For any interested, catastrophism is a sort of a hobby of mine and a topic on which I have a certain amount of expertise. To Andy Card, Catastrophism appears to be merely one of many topics on which to be blissfully ignorant.

Do you have some sort of a special license to pontificate on topics on which you're obviously totally ignorant?

Mongol archery made simple:

A self-organising electronic circuit has stunned engineers by turning itself into a radio receiver.

Why not simply claim that a wet bird never flies at night; and therefore evolution is true...

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		SIS Conference 2002 Ages Still in Chaos An investigation into progress made in the revision of ancient history since 1952, and possible ways ahead 13 - 15 September 2002, London

		Introduction The conference marks the Golden Jubilee of the publication in 1952 of Ages in Chaos by Dr Immanuel Velikovsky and acknowledges the Golden Jubilee of the publication in the same year of Professor W F Libby's work on radiocarbon dating. It will bring together both academics and laymen who have contributed to, or have an interest in, the controversy resulting from Velikovsky's claim that the chronology of the ancient world is hundreds of years shorter than hitherto thought. Also attending will be those who, while agreeing that a shortening of chronology is necessary, consider that the one proposed by Velikovsky is untenable in one respect or another. Velikovsky was the first person in recent times to suggest that the dates ascribed to Egyptian New Kingdom dynasties were incorrect and that they should be dated centuries later. Once this is done new and intriguing connections can be made between the Old Testament record and Egyptian history and another advantage of this down-dating is to remove enigmatic dark ages from many of the cultures that were in contact with Egypt. Although his revision of chronology has not been generally accepted, this approach has been very productive and stimulating for other researchers and some have subsequently gone on to propose alternative lowered chronologies. Papers and Contributors Saturday 14th September 2002 Introduction, Prof. Trevor Palmer Scientific Dating Problems, David Salkeld Evidence for Shortening Egyptian History, Bob Porter The Historical Evidence in the el-Amarna Letters, J Eric Aitchison Testing Time, David Rohl The Lion Gate at Mycenae, plus Ramesses II and Archaic Greek Sculpture, Prof. Lewis M Greenberg Scientific Foundations of Ancient Near Eastern Chronologies, Charles Ginenthal Sunday 15th September 2002 Finding The Limits of Chronological Revision, Dr John J Bimson Stratigraphy and Radically Shortened Chronologies, Prof. Gunnar Heinsohn Velikovsky, Glasgow and Heinsohn Combined, Emmet Sweeney AD Ages in Chaos: A Russian Point of View, Dr Eugen Gabowitsch Implications for Chronology if Certain 'Historical' Characters are Mythological, Ev Cochrane After each speaker, time will be allocated for discussion. Information about each contributor can be found below. Attendance The conference is open to non-members of the SIS on a daily basis and costs given below include attendance morning and afternoon refreshments plus lunch. The latest booking date for non-members is 31st July. SIS Members may attend on a daily, or residential basis at reduced costs and 31st August is the deadline for receipt of payment for day attendance only bookings. For bookings requiring accommodation, 31st July is the deadline for receipt of payment. Details on joining the SIS can be found here. Costs Payment in Sterling should be drawn on a bank in the UK Payment in Dollars should be drawn on a bank in the USA. Day's Attendance Sterling Dollar Saturday or Sunday £51.00 $78.00 Both Saturday and Sunday £90.00 $137.00 Booking To book for either or both days, send your remittance to the address below. If booking for one day only please be sure to state which day you want to attend. Bookings in writing only please, to: SIS Conference 2002 10 Witley Green Darley Heights Stopsley Beds LU2 8TR About the Contributors J Eric Aitchison is a long-standing Australian member and contributor to the SIS. His interest in Velikovsky began in 1967. He is now working on his theory that the Habiru were the Assyrians under Tiglath Pileser III and Sargon II. Dr John J Bimson has been a member of and contributor to SIS since its earliest days. He is the author of Redating the Exodus and Conquest, based on his PhD research into the archaeological setting of the Israelite entry into Canaan. Ev Cochrane, an American teacher of cultural anthropology, is the author of Martian Metamorphoses: The Planet Mars in Ancient Myth and Religion and The Many Faces of Venus and has published many articles on mythology and archaeoastronomy. Dr Eugen Gabowitsch works at a nuclear research centre and is a leading proponent in Germany of revised AD chronology. Charles Ginenthal is the author of Carl Sagan and Immanuel Velikovsky, Stephen Jay Gould and Immanuel Velikovsky and The Extinction of the Mammoth and has contributed articles to Aeon. He is Editor-in-Chief of The Velikovskian and is currently working on the scientific basis of chronology. Prof. Lewis M Greenberg is Professor of Ancient and Oriental Art history at the Moore College of Art & Design in Philadelphia. He was Associated Editor of the journal Pensee, and Editor-in-Chief of Kronos for 12 years; he contributed material to both publications as well as to Science, Astronomy, Biblical Archaeology Review, SIS Review and Kronos. Prof. Gunnar Heinsohn's publication list exceeds more than 400 titles, including contributions to SIS and the special SIS edition, Ghost Empires of the Past -- Did the Sumerians ever really Exist? Since 1984 he has been a tenured Professor at the Universität Bremen where he is now director of the Raphael-Lemkin-Institut für Xenophobie und Genozidforschung. Prof. Trevor Palmer is Professor of Life Sciences and Senior Dean at the Nottingham Trent University. He is the author of Controversy: Catastrophism and Evolution - The Ongoing Debate and numerous articles in SIS publications on evolution and catastrophism. He has been a member of SIS Council since 1986 and is currently ex-officio Chairman. Bob Porter has an M.Sc. in engineering, was for some time a member of the SIS editorial team, and presently contributes a regular feature on "Recent Developments in Near Eastern Archaeology" to C&C Review. David Rohl is the author of A Test of Time and Legend and is the Chairman of the Institute for the Study of Interdisciplinary Sciences, and Archaeology Correspondent for The Express newspaper. His initial work on a revision of chronology, co-authored with Peter James, first appeared in SIS publications. David Salkeld holds a B.Sc. in physics from Bristol University. Following a full career as an electrical engineering officer in the Royal Air Force, he spent 13 years as a systems engineer with British Aerospace. He is a former Treasurer and Chairman of the SIS and keen researcher into biblical history. Emmet Sweeney has an M.A. in Early Modern History and teaches in London. He is a member of the SIS council and is the author of several books on chronological revisions, including The Genesis of Israel and Egypt, The Pyramid Age, The Neo-Assyrians and Persians, Ramessides, Medes and Persians and The Lost History of Ireland. His latest book is Arthur and Stonehenge (Britain's Lost History). See also Previous SIS Events The Revision of Ancient History - A Perspective by P John Crowe Biography of Willard Frank Libby at the Nobel Foundatin About Dr Immanuel Velikovsky

You might want to check this thread, and see if it looks like I'm the "last Velikovskian" on FR, much less in the world...

"Falling Down" and "Pulp Fiction", the later particularly. Hollywood leftists hate Quinton Tarentino to pieces and having Pulp Fiction named as one of the hundred best films of the last hundred years was a massive frakout for them.

An overview of my own vision of prehistory and catastrophism.

Other than that, there are compelling reasons for a major shortening of med basin prehistory and chronology. In fact, there is compelling reason to believe that there simply is no real med basin history going back more than about 3000 years, and that everything we thought we had for the second and third millenia BC turns out to be the kind of ghost and double images which Velikovsky described in Ages in Chaos. The most compelling and readable works along these lines which I am aware of are Emmet Sweeneys "The Pyramid Age", and "Genesis of Israel and Egypt". Those two items are must reads for anybody interested in this stuff.

What I'd have sitting in the back seat next time I got gas at that particular station or, basically, any time I parked the car in that neighborhood again, would be a bottle of expensive wine, with just enough diazanon or some such in it to guarantee that the criminal career of the person who took it would end with the first sip.