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Beyond Carnivore: FBI Eyes Packet Taps
interactive week ^ | Max Smetannikov

Posted on 10/21/2001 8:51:55 PM PDT by gfactor

Edited on 04/13/2004 2:58:56 AM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

Expect the FBI to expand its Internet wiretapping program, says a source familiar with the plan.

Stewart Baker, a partner with law firm Steptoe & Johnson, is a former general counsel to the National Security Agency. He says the FBI has spent the last two years developing a new surveillance architecture that would concentrate Internet traffic in several key locations where all packets, not just e-mail, could be wiretapped. It is now planning to begin implementing this architecture using the powers it has under existing wiretapping laws.


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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: computersecurityin
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1 posted on 10/21/2001 8:51:55 PM PDT by gfactor
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To: gfactor
How many Freepers' smut collections are in jeopardy over this new technology?
2 posted on 10/21/2001 8:56:11 PM PDT by Hillary 666
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To: gfactor
Us smarties will encrypt our email, however that means the unwashed masses will have their mail snooped on.
What the FBI needs is not more information but to know how to utilize the information it already has. But they'll go for the easy way out so that they can catch the petty thief and be bigshots.
3 posted on 10/21/2001 9:00:12 PM PDT by lelio
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To: gfactor
Before the kneejerking starts let me remind all that the feds need probable cause and a warrant just like they would your phone line.
4 posted on 10/21/2001 9:00:39 PM PDT by grebu
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To: grebu
Before the kneejerking starts let me remind all that the feds need probable cause and a warrant just like they would your phone line.

Thats IF they want to use the info in court. It may be illegal for them to just do other sorts of snooping, but has that ever stopped the feds? And nowadays, you can get secret warrants.

5 posted on 10/21/2001 9:06:00 PM PDT by gfactor
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To: gfactor
This doesn't make any sense to me - if they have probable cause and a warrant, they'd just tap your ISP or your phone line. But the way I read this article, they want to have taps in place on MAE-East and other choke-points on the internet. But they don't need to do that if they have a specific target in mind - they'd just tap the ISP, right? So why would they want to tap MAE...unless they want to start snarfing up everything.

In which case, I think they've got a serious analysis problem ahead of them - I'm curious as to exactly how they think they can intercept and analyze even a fraction of internet traffic in real-time...
6 posted on 10/21/2001 9:11:14 PM PDT by general_re
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To: general_re
All your packets are belong to U.S.
7 posted on 10/21/2001 9:15:24 PM PDT by Doctor Stochastic
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To: general_re
internet traffic in real-time
What makes you think that the FBI can predict anything? What they're doing is building up a case against ordinary citizens (ie "you looked up 'teenage sex' a year ago") for cases later on against people that they don't like.
And what better way to do that but at the choke point? Find out everyone looking up kiddie porn and put that into your databanks. If it cross-references with someone that you want dirt on, investigate it more.
8 posted on 10/21/2001 9:15:51 PM PDT by lelio
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To: gfactor
You don't have to worry about this anymore. hushmail.com and mailvault.com will take care of your email.

Freenet is honest to gosh freedom of speech in its purest form. Noone knows who posted anything, noone knows who is reading anything...not quite ready for prime time but very exciting nonetheless.

I truly believe that encryption could be the final nail in the coffin of big government. What will they do if they don't where all the money is?

9 posted on 10/21/2001 9:16:34 PM PDT by DoSomethingAboutIt
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To: _Jim
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10 posted on 10/21/2001 9:18:29 PM PDT by nunya bidness
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To: Hillary 666
WHATS SMUT ? IS THAT A NEW DANCE? LOL
11 posted on 10/21/2001 9:23:11 PM PDT by ATOMIC_PUNK
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To: gfactor
Ohhhhhh, so it's the old bait-and-switch technique, is it?

Terrorists have struck, and we must strike back -- Oh, but, so sorry, we will just HAVE to remove all your liberties and privacy in the deal? (But, hey it's ONLY TEMPORARY!)

In my book, it's still the same FBI that did it's thing at Waco and Ruby Ridge.

12 posted on 10/21/2001 9:31:45 PM PDT by BenR2
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To: lelio
"you looked up 'teenage sex' a year ago"

Errr, that was somebody else ;)

Seriously, that may be so, but the data storage requirements alone are going to be enormous - profiling everyone's browsing habits for later reference in case they turn out to be a bad guy is likely to eat up a lot of tape.

I think the first thing they'd have to do is run everything through keyword filters if they were grabbing everything - all the packets with certain keywords in them. Or, they could set filters to trap everything to or from particular sites, or to or from particular ISP's. Still, it's easier if you're looking for something in particular, rather than just grabbing everything in case it turns out to be important later.

And in the end it may not matter much - I bet the end result will be a rise in SSL connections to anonymous proxy servers ;)
13 posted on 10/21/2001 9:44:58 PM PDT by general_re
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To: riley1992
Is it just me, or does this sound like something from good ol' Orwell?

This is getting way out of hand. Unless, you don't break any laws and have nothing to hide.

Now, where did I put my National ID card?

14 posted on 10/21/2001 9:53:18 PM PDT by NoCurrentFreeperByThatName
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To: ATOMIC_PUNK
Yep, nobody looks at Swedish porno here. :)
15 posted on 10/21/2001 10:01:49 PM PDT by Hillary 666
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To: nunya bidness
Coded response:
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16 posted on 10/21/2001 10:02:47 PM PDT by _Jim
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To: _Jim
Come on. You can do better than that. Tell us why this is impossible. Or are you getting soft?

I know, I miss Rivero too.

17 posted on 10/21/2001 10:05:07 PM PDT by nunya bidness
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To: DoSomethingAboutIt
I truly believe that encryption could be the final nail in the coffin of big government. What will they do if they don't where all the money is?

If they cannot track the money, government will end period. Who would pay taxes if they didn't have to? Digital cash or, better yet, digital gold combined with unregulated strong encryption can make it impossible for the government to tax our incomes. They could try a head tax but how would they track us? a national sales tax is a possibility but even that would be difficult to enforce in a world where all transactions are anonymous.

18 posted on 10/21/2001 10:56:56 PM PDT by athiestwithagun
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To: grebu
Sure they will. The Home Defense law will see to that!! Want to buy some land in Afghanistan. Acreage is cheap.
19 posted on 10/21/2001 11:30:31 PM PDT by poet
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To: gfactor
Best way to keep the feds from scooping up all packets and snooping on everyone is to use WEAK encryption....

They may convince congress to ban strong encryption someday... but it would be a real hard sell to get congress to outlaw weak encryption that anyone with a linux cluster can crack. If everyone used weak encryption for all traffic then it would be impossible to look at even a small percentage of packet traffic... that fraction of a second to decrypt each packet stream would turn into a giant stone wall... and effectively ensure that wholesale fishing expeditions for data could not be carried out.

Also... multiple encryptions with weak keys can be very hard to break :-)

20 posted on 10/22/2001 12:08:04 AM PDT by Bobalu
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