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  • Update: Pope Francis and One-World Religion [Pope Picked to Lead One-World Church]

    11/21/2014 8:17:39 AM PST · 26 of 37
    Brian Kopp DPM to ebb tide
    The URI Charter was finally signed on June 26, 2000, during a six-day Summit in Pittsburg, Pennsylvania, making the one-world church a reality.

    I was there that day as an "undercover informant" for Lee Penn, who did a series of investigative reports and wrote the book on the URI. Frankly the meeting was a dud and very poorly attended.

    That Cardinal Bergoglio had anything whatsoever to do with the URI is horrifying to contemplate.

  • The Knives that Were Out for Card. Burke, are Now Being Sharpened for… [Pell]

    11/12/2014 2:57:53 PM PST · 7 of 17
    Brian Kopp DPM to marshmallow

    “Surprise, surprise, surprise!”

  • Thank Cardinal Burke for his Vatican Service [Petition]

    11/09/2014 11:13:43 AM PST · 5 of 17
    Brian Kopp DPM to marshmallow

    Done, thanks.

  • Trumpets of Warning! — Part III

    11/08/2014 7:27:18 PM PST · 20 of 31
    Brian Kopp DPM to Bigg Red
    the author’s statement implies that somehow the consumption of resources in a developed country deprives the poor in underdeveloped nations such as Haiti. Like we are taking food out of their mouths.

    Actually, its our consumption of third world resources that causes problems in the third world. Read up on National Security Study Memorandum 200 ("NSSM 200") if you're not familiar with the US national security policy of controlling third world population growth to maintain cheap US access to strategic reserves in third world nations.

  • Trumpets of Warning! — Part III

    11/08/2014 4:54:59 PM PST · 16 of 31
    Brian Kopp DPM to mlizzy

    In every other supposed Marian apparition, its the local bishop who makes the call on its authenticity. The local bishops have made the call on Medjugorje, its been discredited, but people ignore the local bishops.

    Good analysis here:

  • Trumpets of Warning! — Part III

    11/08/2014 4:49:25 PM PST · 15 of 31
    Brian Kopp DPM to Bigg Red
    I am more disturbed by statements like:

    Wealthy nations consume beyond their needs as thousands die daily from starvation.

    Why? Its true. Our biggest health crises here are all due to over-consumption, primarily of carbs, in one form or another.

    I've been on mission trips to Haiti, just 2 hours flight from our shores, and I've seen starving babies there. Even our "poor" here live like kings and queens compared to many in third world countries.

  • Trumpets of Warning! — Part III

    11/08/2014 3:50:47 PM PST · 12 of 31
    Brian Kopp DPM to Salvation

    I’m sure he means well but his attacks could equally apply to Cardinal Burke.

  • Trumpets of Warning! — Part III

    11/08/2014 12:37:07 PM PST · 6 of 31
    Brian Kopp DPM to Salvation

    I’m sure Mark means well, but he promotes Medjugorje and is accusatory towards those who question Pope Francis’ words/actions/agenda. Therefore I have to take much of his stuff with a big grain or salt.

  • Pope Names New ‘Foreign Minister,’ Prefect of Apostolic Signatura; Cardinal Burke Given New Position

    11/08/2014 8:28:38 AM PST · 11 of 28
    Brian Kopp DPM to SumProVita

    Yes, God can and does bring good even out of evil. But let’s be honest. This demotion is a very bad development for the Church.

  • Who Will Rescue the Lost Sheep of the Lonely Revolution?

    11/06/2014 7:26:48 PM PST · 3 of 12
    Brian Kopp DPM to ebb tide

    Incredible essay, this is a MUST READ.

    Thanks for posting.

  • Bishop Athanasius Schneider: Against Pharisees

    11/05/2014 6:36:22 PM PST · 5 of 8
    Brian Kopp DPM to ebb tide

    God Bless and Protect him.

  • In These Dark Days, the Church Needs Her Men to be Men

    11/03/2014 6:39:28 AM PST · 10 of 13
    Brian Kopp DPM to hiho hiho

    Great article, great video at the end too at the archdiocese site.

  • Cardinal [Burke] Forbidden To Say [old-rite] Mass [in Austria]

    11/02/2014 5:57:11 PM PST · 3 of 30
    Brian Kopp DPM to ebb tide
    The lesson of Thrasybulus

    As I contemplate certain things going on in the Church right now, I am reminded of Thrasybulus of Miletus.

    The story of Thrasybulus is in Book V of Herodotus’ Histories.  A messenger from Periander, a 7th c. BC tyrant of Corinth, asks Thrasybulus, tyrant of Miletus, for advice on how to govern.   Thrasybulus doesn’t immediately respond.  Instead he leads the messenger into a field.  Then, drawing his sword,  he slashes the tallest ears of wheat off their stalks.  The message: eliminate potential threats to your absolute rule by preemptively cutting down any men who are prominent enough to raise a challenge.

    If anyone sticks his head up, chop it off.

    Eliminate excellence by all necessary means and with extreme prejudice.

  • Cardinal Raymond Burke: Not one to back down when it comes to Church teaching

    11/02/2014 1:21:07 PM PST · 3 of 3
    Brian Kopp DPM to NKP_Vet
    The soon-to-be “former Prefect of the Sacred Tribunal of the Apostolic Signatura,” Cardinal Raymond Burke

    The lesson of Thrasybulus

    As I contemplate certain things going on in the Church right now, I am reminded of Thrasybulus of Miletus.

    The story of Thrasybulus is in Book V of Herodotus’ Histories.  A messenger from Periander, a 7th c. BC tyrant of Corinth, asks Thrasybulus, tyrant of Miletus, for advice on how to govern.   Thrasybulus doesn’t immediately respond.  Instead he leads the messenger into a field.  Then, drawing his sword,  he slashes the tallest ears of wheat off their stalks.  The message: eliminate potential threats to your absolute rule by preemptively cutting down any men who are prominent enough to raise a challenge.

    If anyone sticks his head up, chop it off.

    Eliminate excellence by all necessary means and with extreme prejudice.

  • Cardinal says church under Pope Francis is a ‘rudderless ship’

    10/31/2014 6:06:58 PM PDT · 44 of 54
    Brian Kopp DPM to Mrs. Don-o; ebb tide
    He can deliver a coup de grace after Kasper has fully exposed himself --- which Kasper is clearly proud and incautious enough to do.


    JPII and BXVI silenced Kasper's heresies decades ago. They were suppressed and irrelevant, until this pope reintroduced them via Kasper.

    Don't you realize how much it destroys the credibility of our Catholic witness to continue to promote this false hope, that this pope is just flushing out the liberals so he can remove them?

    There is no credible evidence whatsoever, none, zip, zilch, nada, that what's going on here is anything other than the promotion of heterodoxy by this pope through the use of proxies to maintain plausible deniability, and keep the gullible on his side long enough that it becomes a fait accompli.

    Why Would All These People Lie About Pope Francis?


    In the presence of God and of Christ Jesus, who is to judge the living and the dead, and in view of his appearing and his kingdom, I solemnly urge you: proclaim the message; be persistent whether the time is favorable or unfavorable; convince, rebuke, and encourage, with the utmost patience in teaching. For the time is coming when people will not put up with sound doctrine, but having itching ears, they will accumulate for themselves teachers to suit their own desires, and will turn away from listening to the truth and wander away to myths. As for you, always be sober, endure suffering, do the work of an evangelist, carry out your ministry fully.

    – 2 Timothy 4:1-5


    Pope Francis


    Another day, another off-the-record papal conversation. This time, the person in question is a woman by the name of Marie Kane, who was was a victim of clerical sexual abuse in Ireland.

    ONE of the two Irish survivors of abuse who met Pope Francis this morning in the Vatican has described the meeting as a “huge vindication” for her.

    Marie Kane, who has never spoken publicly about the abuse she suffered at the hands a curate in the archdiocese of Dublin, told the Irish Independent that the meeting with the Pope would help bring her healing.

    “It was pretty amazing. There were no time constraints on the meeting and the only others in the room were Marie Collins, who came as a support to me and [Cardinal] Sean O’Malley who acted as translator,” she said.

    In all six survivors of abuse, two from Ireland, two from Britain and two from Germany met the Pope individually this morning, the first official meeting the pontiff has held since his election in March 2013. The other Irish survivor was a man. His identity remains unclear at the moment.

    According to Marie Kane, the Pope “listened intently” to her and “at times seemed frustrated by what he was hearing” about her experiences. Her case was covered in the Murphy Report into the mishandling of allegations of clerical abuse in the archdiocese of Dublin. Her abuser was taken out of ministry but has not been defrocked.


    All of this seems reasonable, even promising.

    But then came Miss Kane’s radio interview, in which she recounted her experience, and her meeting with Pope Francis (excerpts transcribed by me):

    “I think I’ve been angry my whole life at the Catholic Church. I, you know, I could never sit in a Mass without feeling anger…” [...]

    “From meeting all the survivors and listening to their stories, and, they’re all unique stories, but the effects and the damage is the same. And it’s the loss of faith. You know? We all want something to hang onto in these really difficult times. And, you know, I have two children, 18 and 14, and, their faith has been affected. You know? So, I have my own beliefs, I…I’m a good person. I help a lot of people. And, you know, I think, but it has definitely, it there, there’s no replacing what was taken, you know, even for my kids. And these…these are the kids that are coming up now, and the Church will disappear if something doesn’t change.” [...]

    “I prayed for change, change in the Church. Um, maybe that’s very naïve of me, I don’t know. But when you’re sitting there and in a very small chapel and the homily was written in English so you could read what he was saying, because [the pope] speaks Spanish, so, it was very moving for me personally, and, yeah, change. That’s…you know, just, do more. Get these guys out of power that shouldn’t be there. That are guilty of coverup. And who covered up in my case as well. And they know who they are, like, you know? So yeah. Change. Change. I’ll never get my faith back. I don’t think I’ll ever go back to the church. And actually the pope, I said that to him. And he said, ‘You know you don’t need, you don’t need to be in the Church, you are part of the Church, you don’t physically need to be in it, inside it you know to be part of God’s family like.’ So, little messages like that were really nice, you know. He put thought into what he said to me today. It wasn’t just answers off the cuff. So a very positive experience, for me.”


    I was with her, right up until she recounted what the pope said.

    “You don’t need…to be in the Church, you are part of the Church, you don’t physically need to be in it, inside it you know to be part of God’s family…”

    Let’s all open our Catechisms, shall we? Paragraph 2041-2042 :

    2041 The precepts of the Church are set in the context of a moral life bound to and nourished by liturgical life. The obligatory character of these positive laws decreed by the pastoral authorities is meant to guarantee to the faithful the very necessary minimum in the spirit of prayer and moral effort, in the growth in love of God and neighbor:

    2042 The first precept (“You shall attend Mass on Sundays and holy days of obligation and rest from servile labor”) requires the faithful to sanctify the day commemorating the Resurrection of the Lord as well as the principal liturgical feasts honoring the mysteries of the Lord, the Blessed Virgin Mary, and the saints; in the first place, by participating in the Eucharistic celebration, in which the Christian community is gathered, and by resting from those works and activities which could impede such a sanctification of these days.


    While one can certainly understand the desire of a clericial abuse victim to avoid Catholic clergy and the Mass, it’s difficult to understand how cutting a person off from the sacramental life would in any way facilitate healing or salvation.

    More troubling is the formula the pope is alleged to have used in assessing the situation: “You don’t need to be in the Church” to be “part of the Church.”

    Are we ready for the well-trod quote? We are? Good:

    The Most Holy Roman Church firmly believes, professes and preaches that none of those existing outside the Catholic Church, not only pagans, but also Jews, and heretics, and schismatics, can ever be partakers of eternal life, but that they are to go into the eternal fire “which was prepared for the devil, and his angels,” (Mt. 25:41) unless before death they are joined with Her; and that so important is the unity of this Ecclesiastical Body, that only those remaining within this unity can profit from the sacraments of the Church unto salvation, and that they alone can receive an eternal recompense for their fasts, almsdeeds, and other works of Christian piety and duties of a Christian soldier. No one, let his almsgiving be as great as it may, no one, even if he pour out his blood for the Name of Christ, can be saved unless they abide within the bosom and unity of the Catholic Church.

    (Pope Eugene IV, the Bull Cantate Domino, 1441 – Emphasis Mine)


    It’s a tough quote. And yes, there’s been some development of doctrine since the 1400s. We believe that there’s something to the “Baptism of Desire” — though nobody who loves souls would ever want to count on that. We need the sacraments for heaven like a man in the desert dying of thirst needs water. Do men in the desert sometimes, against all odds, survive sunstroke and dehydration? Yes. Would you care to take a crack at that experience on the off-chance that you’ll be the outlier?

    Yeah. I thought not.

    We all need sanctifying grace to get to heaven. Sanctifying grace grows in the soul by means of sacramental reception. So the sacraments are really, as far as anyone knows, completely non-negotiable. If God chooses to work outside their efficacy, how He does that is his prerogative, and frankly, a complete mystery. I sometimes have a hard time believing even with them, I’ll squeak in the door of heaven. I can’t imagine trying to get there without them.

    So why would a sovereign pontiff of the Roman Catholic Church tell anyone — anyone – that they don’t need to be in the Church to be saved?

    Some are arguing that this is, once again, a woman who is recounting what the pope said from memory, and that it is therefore not trustworthy. One person offered this hypothesis, “Maybe a pissed off woman that was was sexually abused saw an opportunity for payback and took it?” (To this person’s credit, they later admitted it was a stretch.)

    But let’s imagine that this was the case. We’d have have to add Miss Kane to the growing list of vengeful “liars” all saying that the pope told them the same thing. Also, they’d have to want to “get back at the pope” by only ticking off the small segment of Catholics who care if the pope says something so…Catholic. Because most Catholics these days, if we’re being honest, would think such a statement was positively fantastic, demonstrative of “mercy”, and even more, a sure sign of progress within the stodgy old Church.

    And there really are a solid handful of these folks out there. People we’re supposed to believe are just making things up to make the pope look bad to a small handful of true believers, and awesome to everyone else.

    Let’s have a look at the statements from those who have said what Pope Francis has told them:

    1. “When he speaks about evangelization, the idea is to evangelize Christians or Catholics,”to reach “higher dimensions of faith” and a deepened commitment to social justice, Skorka said. “This is the idea of evangelization that Bergoglio is stressing — not to evangelize Jews. This he told me, on several opportunities.”

    Rabbi Abraham Skorka, rector of the Seminario Rabinico Latinoamericano in Buenos Aires and close personal friend of Pope Francis


    2. “Bp Venables added that in a conversation with Cardinal Bergoglio, now Pope Francis, the latter made it clear that he values the place of Anglicans in the Church universal.

    ‘He called me to have breakfast with him one morning and told me very clearly that the Ordinariate was quite unnecessary and that the Church needs us as Anglicans.’”

    Rt. Rev. Greg Venables, Anglican Bishop of Argentina and close personal friend of Pope Francis


    3. “And here I am. The Pope comes in and shakes my hand, and we sit down. The Pope smiles and says: ‘Some of my colleagues who know you told me that you will try to convert me.’

    It’s a joke, I tell him. My friends think it is you want to convert me.

    He smiles again and replies: ‘Proselytism is solemn nonsense, it makes no sense. We need to get to know each other, listen to each other and improve our knowledge of the world around us. Sometimes after a meeting I want to arrange another one because new ideas are born and I discover new needs. This is important: to get to know people, listen, expand the circle of ideas. The world is crisscrossed by roads that come closer together and move apart, but the important thing is that they lead towards the Good.’ ”

    Eugenio Scalfari, Atheist founder of La Repubblica (and grantee of three papal interviews despite his habit of reporting quotes without taking notes)


    4. “At lunch I asked Pope Francis what his heart was for evangelism. He smiled, knowing what was behind my question and comment was, ‘I’m not interested in converting Evangelicals to Catholicism. I want people to find Jesus in their own community. There are so many doctrines we will never agree on. Let’s be about showing the love of Jesus.’ ” (Of course Evangelicals do evangelize Catholics and Catholics do the same to us. However, that discussion we will raise another day.)

    Brian C. Stiller, Global Ambassador, World Evangelical Alliance


    And finally, though not specifically related to membership in the Church, this anecdote, which relates to following her most fundamental teachings:

    5. Pope Francis called an Argentine woman married to a divorced man and reportedly told her that she could receive the sacrament of Communion, according to the woman’s husband, in an apparent contradiction of Catholic law.

    Julio Sabetta, from San Lorenzo in the Pope’s home country, said his wife, Jacqueline Sabetta Lisbona, spoke with Francis on Monday.

    Jacqueline Sabetta Lisbona wrote to the pontiff in September to ask for clarification on the Communion issue, according to her husband, who said his divorced status had prevented her from receiving the sacrament.

    “She spoke with the Pope, and he said she was absolved of all sins and she could go and get the Holy Communion because she was not doing anything wrong,” Sabetta told Channel 3 Rosario, a CNN affiliate.

    A Vatican spokesman confirmed the telephone call but would not comment on the conversation’s content.


    Let’s not forget that one of the pope’s closest advisors, whose theology the pope has said he greatly admires, is Cardinal Walter Kasper, who has (in)famously said:

    The only thing I wish to say is that the document Dominus Iesus does not state that everybody needs to become a Catholic in order to be saved by God. On the contrary, it declares that God’s grace, which is the grace of Jesus Christ according to our faith, is available to all. Therefore, the Church believes that Judaism, i.e. the faithful response of the Jewish people to God’s irrevocable covenant, is salvific for them, because God is faithful to his promises.

    This touches the problem of mission towards Jews, a painful question with regard to forced conversion in the past. Dominus Iesus, as other official documents, raised this question again saying that dialogue is a part of evangelisation.This stirred Jewish suspicion. But this is a language problem, since the term evangelisation, in official Church documents, cannot be understood in the same way it is commonly interpreted in everyday’s speech. In strict theological language, evangelisation is a very complex and overall term, and reality. It implies presence and witness, prayer and liturgy, proclamation and catechesis, dialogue and social work . . . which do not have the goal of increasing the number of Catholics. Thus evangelisation, if understood in its proper and theological meaning, does not imply any attempt of proselytism whatsoever.”



    In light of the above, I propose five very serious questions for your consideration:

    1. Why should this pattern of indirectly attributed quotes, all of a piece, not be taken as a serious indication that Pope Francis sincerely believes that membership in the Church and the following of her precepts is not necessary for salvation?
    2. Why should we feel compelled to believe that in every case where we hear that Pope Francis has told a person something along these lines — each report entirely consistent with the last — that the person making the claim is a liar with some personal agenda, and they should neither be believed nor trusted?
    3. What would it possibly gain anyone to tell lies which, while they throw the pope’s orthodoxy into question, do nothing but endear him to the secular world, the leaders of non-Catholic religions, and the majority of Catholics who no longer profess all of the Church’s teachings?
    4. Why, if these attributions are in fact scandalously erroneous misrepresentations of the Pope’s thought, and spread as they have been by the global media, is no effort made by the Vatican to correct or refute them, or to exhort Catholics to accept and profess the Church’s true teaching on these matters?
    5. If what has been said truly represents the mind of Pope Francis, how can this be reconciled with the doctrine of Extra Ecclesiam Nulla Salus, as defined by Pope Boniface VIII in Unam Sanctam and held as an indisputable and infallible teaching of the Church until the latter half of the 20th century?


    I think the answers to these questions, taken together, provide a rather obvious conclusion. Don’t you?

    There is simply not a shred of evidence that Pope Francis wants to disabuse people of the notion that he both believes and said these things. And if that is so, what a heartbreaking situation we find ourselves in.

    We shouldn’t be surprised that what St. Paul prophesied in 2 Timothy is, in fact, coming to pass. But if you’re like me, it’s more than a little surprising to see it coming from the Vicar of Christ.

    We need to batten down the hatches and dig in for a long haul. This isn’t going away, and talking about the latest shocking thing the pope has done is reaching a point of diminishing returns. We need to keep our eyes on the goal of eternal salvation, and focus on building a foundation that will withstand where this is all taking us.

    In the next few days, I plan to announce a project I’m working on that is aimed at helping us to do just that. Your prayers for the success of this endeavor would be appreciated.


    UPDATE – 7/19/2014 @ 5:48PM: Friend of the blog Codgitator submits another quote for our reference in the comments.

    “I’m not expecting any of you to join the Catholic Church. Please understand that’s not what this is about. What we are talking about is a unified position to go before the world and say we are proclaiming Christ as the only hope of salvation.”

    The quote is taken from this video. I’ve set it to play at the relevant timestamp:

    The video is from John and Carol Arnott, who are (according to their website) “the Founding Pastors and Presidents of Catch The Fire (formerly known as the Toronto Airport Christian Fellowship) and overseers of the Partners in Harvest Network of Churches.


  • Cardinal says church under Pope Francis is a ‘rudderless ship’

    10/31/2014 5:45:30 PM PDT · 41 of 54
    Brian Kopp DPM to ebb tide
    Otherwise, why has Papa Tango removed Burke from two major positions?

    Correction, three positions:

    1) Apostolic Signatura
    2) Congregation for Bishops
    3) Congregation for the Causes of Saints

    A Pope easily can't get away with elevating dubious causes of saints to the Altars with a real canonist in the third congregation.

  • Pope solemnly defines evolution as article of the faith (Note: this is satire)

    10/29/2014 6:50:42 PM PDT · 17 of 21
    Brian Kopp DPM to Zionist Conspirator
    My opinion is that "intelligent design" is nothing but "theistic evolution" with a signature.

    I disagree. Someday, God Willing, we will both KNOW.

  • Pope solemnly defines evolution as article of the faith (Note: this is satire)

    10/29/2014 6:26:39 PM PDT · 15 of 21
    Brian Kopp DPM to Zionist Conspirator
    Personally I prefer Intelligent Design over both strict Creationism and atheistic evolution. We can compare notes on the other side and ask The Creator the Truth of the matter. Until then we will all continue to see as through a glass, darkly; but then we will KNOW.

    Personally, I think Pope Francis recent words on evolution and the Big Bang (and his actions via the recent Synod, which he personally engineered and micromanaged) stand condemned by many Popes who came before him, but then, "Who am I to judge?"

    October 29, 2014

    Pius XII On Those Who Put Faith In Evolution, Like Materialists And Communists Do

    By Frank Walker


    Nate Anderson at ars Technica science site reported on Pope Francis' words on creation, the Big Bang, and evolution theory.

    Though only a few paragraphs long (and currently available only in Italian; the translation below is unofficial), Francis's remarks focused largely on evolution—still a controversial doctrine in parts of the worldwide Christian church.

    "When we read in Genesis the account of Creation, we are in danger of imagining that God was a magician, complete with a magic wand capable of doing anything," Francis said. "But he was not. He created beings and let them develop in accordance with the internal laws that He has given to each one."

    The writer goes on to note Pope Pius XII’s warning of on the value that materialists and atheists find in evolutionary theories.

    The Catholic church has long been open to evolution, though always stressing its belief that God is the ultimate power behind the universe and its unfolding story.

    In 1950, Pope Pius XII wrote about evolution in Humani Generis, saying that "Communists gladly subscribe to this opinion so that, when the souls of men have been deprived of every idea of a personal God, they may the more efficaciously defend and propagate their dialectical materialism."

    For Pius XII, however, evolution was only a possibility that was yet unproven, and so he went on to rail against those who "act as if the origin of the human body from pre-existing and living matter were already completely certain and proved by the facts which have been discovered up to now and by reasoning on those facts, and as if there were nothing in the sources of divine revelation which demands the greatest moderation and caution in this question."

    Modern advances in biological science, the fossil record, and technology which reveal the complexity of living organisms, cast many doubts upon 19th century theories of random natural selection. They point rather to an intelligent origin for living things and make the warning of Pope Pius even more relevant.

  • Pope solemnly defines evolution as article of the faith (Note: this is satire)

    10/29/2014 5:58:05 PM PDT · 13 of 21
    Brian Kopp DPM to Zionist Conspirator

    Glad you noticed the turn of phrase. But this is posted in Chat, so why bring the RM into it? The Religion Forum doesn’t like potty talk but I was not aware such was verboten in Chat.

    And when you pinged Alex, was that a Freudian slip, because it looks like you were trying to ping the RM.

    Oops, I mentioned Alex in my post. Maybe I should have pinged Alex too.


  • Pope solemnly defines evolution as article of the faith (Note: this is satire)

    10/29/2014 4:26:07 PM PDT · 7 of 21
    Brian Kopp DPM to Alex Murphy
    Humor? Nah, just the usual ordure of the day for some posters.
  • “God is not a magician, with a magic wand”: Pope Francis schools creationists (Salon)

    10/29/2014 10:21:43 AM PDT · 161 of 206
    Brian Kopp DPM to wagglebee
    Yes, come to think of it, I do know one chap of the sort you describe. He doesn't post here any more but I did find a photo online:

  • Pope Francis distances himself from ‘very conservative’ bishops

    10/25/2014 8:50:56 PM PDT · 54 of 57
    Brian Kopp DPM to fatima

    Actually no, I am most definitely not “Mod friendly.” Just ask any of them.

  • Pope Francis distances himself from ‘very conservative’ bishops

    10/25/2014 8:01:48 PM PDT · 52 of 57
    Brian Kopp DPM to fatima

    If you think this pope is a great and holy pope, that’s fine. I agree with Cardinal Burke that Pope Francis’ antics are harming the Church.

    There is a great divide in viewpoint. The mainstream viewpoint is everything is fine, the Holy Spirit chose the Pope and is guiding him, and anyone so much as criticizing the Pope has placed themselves outside the Church.

    Yep. Everybody is giving this same kind of message, with rare exceptions, from liberal to mainstream and even conservative Catholic commentators to all the best visionaries and prophets, and Cardinal Burke has been thrown under the bus.

    Frankly I’m made suspicious by the emerging unanimity on the forums, in the prophecy blogs, among the mainstream Catholic media and bloggers to include conservatives, and how well it corresponds with the praise of the non-Catholic as well as the anti-Catholic world for this Pope.

    If someone is going to deceive the whole world, he will certainly need the kind of universal support this pope enjoys.

    If saying that makes you mock me and deride me for voicing my opinion, that’s a shame, but it is also further evidence of how this pope is dividing Faithful Catholics.

  • BREAKING: [Burke says] Pope Harming the Church

    10/23/2014 4:09:57 PM PDT · 163 of 164
    Brian Kopp DPM to evangmlw
    ◄ 2 Peter 3:16 ►
  • The True Story of This Synod. Director, Performers, Assistants

    10/23/2014 12:36:43 PM PDT · 9 of 9
    Brian Kopp DPM to Dqban22

    Archbishop Bruno Forte, the man Pope Francis personally appointed as Spdcial Secretary to the Extraordinary Synod and who inserted the pro homosexual language in the relatio:


    Protege of Kasper and Martini

    In the hey day of his academic appointments in the 70s, Forte began to run in various other circles, where he met the rector of the Pontifical Biblical Commission, the future Cardinal Archbishop of Milan, Carlo Maria Martini.

    A lot of conservatives have forgotten about him, since he has passed on to his reward, and we’re pretty glad of it. Nevertheless we should not forget him, because his influence lives on, right on through this most recent synod. Martini distinguished himself in the post-conciliar years as a strong opponent of religious orthodoxy and a champion of liberals in the curia. He formally denied Humanae Vitae, and strongly opposed it long after it was issued, he believed in religious indifferentism, recognition of same-sex civil unions, basked in the praise of the world, and when exiled to Milan by John Paul II, became even more of a media star by regularly attacking the Church. Martini, as the champion of the liberals, also pushed for changes in the Church’s teaching on divorce and remarriage, and it has been said correctly that the recent synod, while short on the Holy Ghost, is not short on Martini’s ghost. The then Monsignor Bruno Forte was very impressed by Martini’s stardom and became a part of his circle. Whether out of ideological conviction or to ride the Cardinal’s coat tails to fame we don’t know, though Forte would make a name for himself on his own. In 1985, at an Ecclesial conference in Loreto, which was about questions on the Church and government and the Church’s voice in public, Martini declared that the old model of an authoritative Church had to give way to a synodal Church, with no more timeless dogmas but instead, where the Church would adjust her teachings based on the subjective experience of the world. It is this which caused the major break between Martini and John Paul II, who opposed Martini’s vision. The keynote address at this conference, in ’85, was given by none other than Monsignor Bruno Forte, in full support of Martini’s program. Little wonder we see him today actively doing this same thing at the synod.

    His relationship and proximity to Martini blossomed into a lifelong friendship, for, when Martini was dying, Forte frequently visited him. Forte has just recently written a book commemorating Martini for the second anniversary of his death, loaded with glowing praise for him, titled Cardinale Carlo Maria Martini, fedele alla storia, fedele alla eterna, “Cardinal Martini, faithful to history, faithful to the Lord. He he said “I speak of him with a heavy heart adding that the effort of objectivity affection, gratitude and deep admiration.”iMoreover, Forte tells us in his own words about his relationship with Martini: [Audio from Australian lecture].

    This glowing book and these gracious words of course, are not disturbed by the novissima verba of the late Cardinal Martini, who in his last interview, said: “The church is tired, in the Europe of well-being and in America. Our culture has become old, our churches and our religious houses are big and empty, the bureaucratic apparatus of the church grows, our rites and our dress are pompous. Do these things, however, express what we are today? … Well-being weighs on us. We find ourselves like the rich young man who went away sad when Jesus called him to be his disciple. I know that we can’t let everything go easily. At least, however, we can seek people who are free and closest to their neighbor, like Archbishop Romero and the Jesuit martyrs of El Salvador. Where are the heroes among us who can inspire us? By no means do we have to limit them by the boundaries of the institution….The question of whether the divorced can receive communion ought to be turned around. How can the church reach people who have complicated family situations, bringing them help with the power of the sacraments?…The church is 200 years behind the times. Why doesn’t it stir? Are we afraid? Is it fear rather than courage?” (Source) In other words, everything in the Church is wrong, unless we discard dogma and surrender to the world. This is the man, whom Forte himself tells us, he calls every week and looks to as a father.

  • The True Story of This Synod. Director, Performers, Assistants

  • BREAKING: [Burke says] Pope Harming the Church

    10/23/2014 5:47:28 AM PDT · 161 of 164
    Brian Kopp DPM to evangmlw

    Yes, God’s Word is all that. But private interpretation of scripture is not. Your personal interpretation of God’s Word is your opinion, it is not inspired, it is fallible and is liable to error. As your posts on this thread have proven. But thank you for sharing your own personal interpretation of scripture anyway. I’m sure you mean well in doing so.

  • BREAKING: [Burke says] Pope Harming the Church

    10/22/2014 1:31:08 PM PDT · 158 of 164
    Brian Kopp DPM to evangmlw

    Thanks for sharing your opinion, but it is nothing more than that, your opinion.

  • The True Story of This Synod. Director, Performers, Assistants

    10/20/2014 6:28:49 PM PDT · 5 of 9
    Brian Kopp DPM to ebb tide

    Every Catholic needs to read this column slowly carefully and prayerfully. This column gives the best overview of this subject that I’ve seen.

    Key point: Pope Francis is a disciple of Cardinal Martini and praises his writing, calling him a churchman for our age. So too is Archbishop Bruno Forte, who Pope Francis named special secretary to the synod.

    Cardinal Martini was an open dissenter to Humanae Vitae, and promoted both homosexual civil unions as well as sacraments for the divorced and remarried.

    Cardinal Martini was too old to be elected in the 2005 conclave so all his supporters threw their votes to Bergoglio. Bergoglio barely lost to Pope Benedict XVI in 2005. He won in 2013.

  • Bishops Reject Shift in Tone for Gay, Divorced Catholics

    10/18/2014 9:32:23 PM PDT · 13 of 17
    Brian Kopp DPM to Mrs. Don-o

    For anyone who understands the Real Presence, giving up the marital embrace when you’re not married is, in the big scheme of things, a very small price to pay to receive Him in the Holy Eucharist.

  • Pope Francis Manipulates Process to Include Rejected Paragraph's of Relatio

    10/18/2014 8:09:18 PM PDT · 9 of 20
    Brian Kopp DPM to livius; Salvation
    Synod Day 12 – On the Way to a Decision?

    ...On more substantive matters, other things have emerged as well. We still don’t know exactly how the four radical paragraphs on homosexuals found their way into the original Relatio. I was not present when the Relatio was read out last Monday. (I’d just arrived in Rome.) But someone who was told me something significant – that must be kept in mind in coming months.

    Archbishop Bruno Forte and Antonio Spadaro, S. J., editor-in-chief of La Civiltá Cattolica, the official/unofficial voice of the Vatican and the place where the Holy Father published the first of many controversial interviews, gave each other an open thumbs-up when the sections on gays were read out. This seems to suggest that not even they were certain (Forte wrote the section on gays) that those passages would survive into the interim document.

    ...It’s not hard to see that whatever happens now – document or no document, final vote or no vote – “outreach” to gays and Communion for the divorced and remarried are now inserted into the discussion at the highest levels of the Church. And unless there’s some strong action from Pope Francis, they’re going to stay there.

    There’s been some shrewd manipulation of the parliamentary procedures all along to get us to this point. Even if there is a course correction in the coming months, the Church is now going to be dealing with these divisive confusions for the foreseeable future.

  • BREAKING: [Burke says] Pope Harming the Church

    10/17/2014 9:16:27 PM PDT · 95 of 164
    Brian Kopp DPM to fatima

    When you post demonstrable falsehoods about fellow FReepers, expect to have your posts deleted. Is that how you think you’ll bring people closer to Christ?

  • BREAKING: [Burke says] Pope Harming the Church

    10/17/2014 8:36:17 PM PDT · 87 of 164
    Brian Kopp DPM to evangmlw

    The Church is the Body of Christ. The gates of hell shall not prevail against it. Just as Christ had to suffer his Gethsemane, so must His Church. And just as Christ rose, so shall His Church.

  • BREAKING: [Burke says] Pope Harming the Church

    10/17/2014 8:32:42 PM PDT · 85 of 164
    Brian Kopp DPM to fatima
    He did not lie about the cardinal's words, he simply abbreviated them for a blog post title.

    The time for naiveté and overly pious responses to harsh realities that have now been exposed is over.
  • BREAKING: [Burke says] Pope Harming the Church

    10/17/2014 8:10:36 PM PDT · 81 of 164
    Brian Kopp DPM to fatima
    Again (!) this Pope and his progressive henchmen just tried to change the Church's teachings on Sacraments for the divorced and remarried and homosexuality, but you're worked up about Voris' title of a blog post?!?

    "You blind guides, straining out a gnat and swallowing a camel!" - Matthew 23:24

  • BREAKING: [Burke says] Pope Harming the Church

    10/17/2014 7:49:59 PM PDT · 76 of 164
    Brian Kopp DPM to fatima
    He is trying to sensationalized the headline.

    No, I do not agree with your assessment. Voris has steadfastly defended this Pope and criticized anyone who criticized this Pope.

    He had his eyes opened this week, I think, and he was shocked by the forthright and blunt words of Cardinal Burke.

    The title reflects the reality at the Vatican, whether we like it or acknowledge it or not.

    As Steve Jalsevac says today in this article, Robert Royal’s synod call to vigilance for the next year

    The time for naiveté and overly pious responses to harsh realities that have now been exposed is over.

    I sat with Steve at lunch one day this week, and I think he and everyone who had reporters on the inside of this Synod, or who was there or talked to orthodox bishops and cardinals there, is shocked by what transpired. None of us know what to say or how to say it as nothing quite like what has transpired over the last two years has ever happened before in the history of the Church.

  • BREAKING: [Burke says] Pope Harming the Church

    10/17/2014 7:24:06 PM PDT · 73 of 164
    Brian Kopp DPM to fatima
    He change the words of Cardinal Burke. Michael is welcome to come here to answer for himself.He changed to words of Cardinal Burke-unreal.Puff up Michael.

    The Pope and his progressive henchmen just tried to change the Church's teachings on Sacraments for the divorced and remarried and homosexuality, but you're worked up about Voris' title of a blog post?!? that we got that cleared up...

  • BREAKING: [Burke says] Pope Harming the Church

    10/17/2014 7:21:40 PM PDT · 72 of 164
    Brian Kopp DPM to fatima
    I thought you said once I was just on TV a few weeks ago.

    I've been on EWTN Radio and Radio Maria network. I've never been on Voris' programs.

  • BREAKING: [Burke says] Pope Harming the Church

    10/17/2014 7:07:25 PM PDT · 68 of 164
    Brian Kopp DPM to icwhatudo

    No. See my new sig.

  • BREAKING: [Burke says] Pope Harming the Church

    10/17/2014 6:55:17 PM PDT · 66 of 164
    Brian Kopp DPM to Greetings_Puny_Humans
    But why the envy over the money to begin with?

    No idea! Its one of the most bizarre things I've seen come from our "side" over the years.

  • BREAKING: [Burke says] Pope Harming the Church

    10/17/2014 6:54:08 PM PDT · 64 of 164
    Brian Kopp DPM to fatima
    I was never on any of his TV shows, ever. At one time I served as a moderator on a forum that was associated with his previous RealCatholicTV website, but it sure as heck wasn't a formal affiliation and I've never been paid for any Catholic journalism anywhere.

    Why in the world would you insinuate some kind of financial misdeed for him or myself?

    That's just bizarre, even calumnious.

    Feel free to disagree with my Catholic position, call me a wrongheaded idiot, but please don't insinuate I'm benefiting financially from posting here or anywhere else.

  • BREAKING: [Burke says] Pope Harming the Church

    10/17/2014 6:48:45 PM PDT · 60 of 164
    Brian Kopp DPM to fatima
    How much money does he make with Militant Catholic TV?

    Less than $50,000 a year, if I remember correctly. (I think it was actually $40,000 a year?) Not much, regardless. So your point is?!? He's not wealthy like the German bishops pushing this heresy, who make between $131,000 and $189,000 a year, exactly the kind of rich churchmen this Pope otherwise deplores. I guess they're Ok, since they're pushing his agenda?.

  • BREAKING: [Burke says] Pope Harming the Church

    10/17/2014 6:37:33 PM PDT · 54 of 164
    Brian Kopp DPM to St_Thomas_Aquinas; livius
    Still, the headline does not relate to the statement quoted in the article.

    Voris' headline: BREAKING: Pope Harming the Church

    Burke's quote: "Pope has done a lot of harm by not saying openly what his position is"

    I'm not seeing how the headline differs that much from the quote.

  • BREAKING: [Burke says] Pope Harming the Church

    10/17/2014 6:19:20 PM PDT · 38 of 164
    Brian Kopp DPM to piusv
    Yes, it is Voris' headline and knowing how he has been wrt criticizing the Pope, I do not think it is inflammatory. It is surprisingly refreshing.

    Voris has been hypercritical in the past of what he considers "rad Trads" who were criticizing the Pope early and often. He said CMTV would never criticize this Pope.

    I think after seeing what went on at this Synod and talking to bishops and cardinals there, he realized just how dire the situation is.

    Plus Cardinal Burke was an early supporter of his media apostolate, so I'm sure his words really struck home for Voris.

  • BREAKING: [Burke says] Pope Harming the Church

    10/17/2014 6:07:58 PM PDT · 32 of 164
    Brian Kopp DPM to livius

    Its Voris’ headline, not mine.

  • BREAKING: [Burke says] Pope Harming the Church

    10/17/2014 5:58:53 PM PDT · 22 of 164
    Brian Kopp DPM to St_Thomas_Aquinas
    The headline is inflammatory.

    Not at all. It is a simple reflection of reality. Please take the time to read this piece, carefully:

    The True Story of This Synod. Director, Performers, Assistants

    New paradigms of divorce and homosexuality are now at home in the highest levels of the Church. Nothing has been decided, but Pope Francis is patient. An American historian confutes the ideas of “La Civiltà Cattolica”

    by Sandro Magister

    ROME, October 17, 2014 - “The spirit of the Council is blowing again,” Filipino Cardinal Luis Antonio G. Tagle has said, a rising star of the worldwide episcopate as well as being a historian of Vatican II. And it is true. At the synod that is about to conclude there are many elements in common with what happened at that great event.

    The most visible similarity is the distance between the real synod and the virtual synod driven by the media.

    But there is an even more substantial resemblance. Both at Vatican Council II and at this synod the changes of paradigm are the product of careful coordination. A protagonist of Vatican II like Fr. Giuseppe Dossetti - the consummate strategist of the four cardinal moderators who were at the controls of the conciliar machine - asserted this with pride. He said that he had “transformed the fate of the Council” thanks to his capacity to pilot the assembly, which he had learned in his previous political experience as the leader of the foremost Italian party.

    The same thing has happened at this synod. Both the openness to communion for the civilly divorced and remarried - and therefore the admission of remarriage on the part of the Church - and the startling change of paradigm on the issue of homosexuality that found its way into the “Relatio post disceptationem” would not have been possible without a series of skillfully calculated steps on the part of those who had and have control of the procedures.

    In order to understand this, it is enough to review the stages that led to this result, even if the provisory finale of the synod - as will be seen - has not met the expectations of its directors.

    The star of the first act is Pope Francis himself. On July 28, 2013, at the press conference held on board the plane taking him back to Rome after his voyage in Brazil, he issued two signals that had a powerful and lasting impact on public opinion.

    The first on the treatment of homosexuals:

    “If a person is gay and is seeking the Lord and has good will, who am I to judge?”

    The second on the admission of remarriage:

    “Also – a parenthesis – the Orthodox have a different practice. They follow the theology of what they call oikonomia, and they give a second chance [of marriage], they allow it. But I believe that this problem – and here I close the parenthesis – must be studied within the context of the pastoral care of marriage.”

    There followed in October of 2013 the convening of a synod on the family, the first in a series of two synods on the same issue in the span of a year, with decisions postponed until after the second. As secretary general of this sort of permanent and prolonged synod the pope appointed a new cardinal with no experience in this regard, but very close to him, Lorenzo Baldisseri. Beside whom he placed, as special secretary, the bishop and theologian Bruno Forte, already a leading proponent of the theological and pastoral approach that had its guiding light in the Jesuit cardinal Carlo Maria Martini and its major adversaries first in John Paul II and then in Benedict XVI: an approach explicitly open to a change of Church teaching in the area of sexuality.

    The proclamation of the synod was associated with the issuing of a questionnaire throughout the whole world with specific questions on the most controversial questions, including communion for the divorced and homosexual unions.

    Thanks in part to this questionnaire - which would be followed by the intentional publication of the answers on the part of some German-speaking episcopates - public opinion would be given the idea that these were questions to be considered “open” not only in theory but also in practice.

    Proof of this breaking ahead of the pack came, for example, from the archdiocese of Freiburg in Germany, headed by president of the German episcopal conference Robert Zollitsch, who in a document from one of his pastoral offices encouraged access to communion for the divorced and remarried on the simple basis of “a decision of conscience.”

    From Rome, the prefect of the congregation for the doctrine of the faith, Cardinal Gerhard L. Müller, reacted by republishing on October 23, 2013 in “L'Osservatore Romano” a note he had already issued four months earlier in Germany reconfirming and explaining the ban on communion.

    But his call to have the archdiocese of Freiburg withdraw that document came to nothing. On the contrary, both German cardinal Reinhard Marx, and in more blunt terms Honduran cardinal Óscar Rodríguez Maradiaga criticized Müller for his “presumption” of cutting off discussion on this matter. Both Marx and Maradiaga are part of the council of eight cardinals called by Pope Francis to assist him in the governance of the universal Church. The pope did not speak out in support of Müller.

    On February 20 and 21, 2013, the cardinals met in Rome in consistory. Pope Francis asked them to discuss the family and delegated the introductory talk to Cardinal Walter Kasper, already in the early 1990’s a combative supporter of dropping the ban on communion for the remarried, but defeated at the time by John Paul II and by Joseph Ratzinger.

    At the consistory, held behind closed doors, Kasper revived all of his ideas. Many cardinals opposed him, but Francis approved him with the highest praise. Afterward, Kasper would say that he had “coordinated” with the pope on his proposals.

    Moreover, Kasper gave the pope the privilege of breaking the secrecy on the things he had said at the consistory, unlike all the other cardinals. When his talk came out by surprise on March 1 in the Italian newspaper “Il Foglio,” it was already being prepared for the presses by the publisher Queriniana. The coverage of the publication was immense.

    In early spring, to balance the impact of Kasper’s proposals, the congregation for the doctrine of the faith planned the publication in “L'Osservatore Romano” of an opposing presentation by a prominent cardinal. But the pope vetoed the publication of this text.

    Kasper’s ideas were nevertheless the object of severe and substantiated criticism on the part of a good number of cardinals, who spoke out repeatedly through various media outlets. On the eve of the synod, five of these cardinals republished their previous statements in a book, accompanied by essays by other scholars and by a leading official of the curia, a Jesuit archbishop expert in the marriage practices of the Eastern Churches. Kasper, with widespread consensus in the media, deplored the publication of the book as an affront aimed at the pope.

    On October 5 the synod opened. Unlike in the past, the statements in the assembly were not made public. Cardinal Müller protested against this censorship. But in vain. One more proof, he says, that “I am not one of the directors.”

    The operational center of the synod is made up of the general and special secretaries, Baldisseri and Forte. But alongside of them the pope has placed, selected by him personally, those who will attend to the drafting of the message and the final “Relatio,” all of them belonging to the pro-change “party,” led by his trusted ghostwriter Víctor Manuel Fernández, archbishop and rector of the Catholic University of Buenos Aires.

    The fact that this is the true cockpit of the synod became overwhelmingly evident on Monday, October 13, when in front of two hundred journalists from all over the world the cardinal delegate who figures as the formal author of the “Relatio post disceptationem,” Hungarian cardinal Péter Erdõ, asked about the paragraphs regarding homosexuality, refused to answer and gave the floor to Forte, saying: “The one who drafted the passage, he should know what to say.”

    To the request for clarification on whether the paragraphs on homosexuality can be interpreted as a radical change in the church’s teaching on the matter, Cardinal Erdõ again responded, “Certainly,” displaying his disagreement here as well.

    In effect, these paragraphs reflect not an orientation expressed in the assembly by a substantial number of fathers - as one would expect to read in a “Relatio” - but things said by no more than two out of almost two hundred, in particular by the Jesuit Antonio Spadaro, director of “"La Civiltà Cattolica,” appointed a member of the synod by Pope Francis himself.

    On Tuesday, October 14, at a press conference, South African cardinal Wilfrid Napier denounced in biting words the effect of the prevarication carried out by Forte by inserting those explosive paragraphs into the “Relatio.” These, he says, have put the Church in an “irredeemable” position, with no way out. Because by now “the message has gone out: This is what the synod is saying, this is what the Catholic Church is saying. No matter how we try correcting that, whatever we say hereafter is going to be as if we're doing some damage control.”

    In reality, in the ten linguistic circles in which the synod fathers carried out the discussion, the “Relatio” was heading for a massacre. Starting with its language, “overblown, rambling, too wordy and therefore boring,” as the official relator of the French-speaking “Gallicus B” group mercilessly blasted it, although this group contained two champions of its language - and of its likewise vague and equivocal contents - in cardinals Christoph Schönborn and Godfried Danneels.

    When the assembly resumed its work on Thursday, October 16, secretary general Baldisseri, with the pope beside him, made the announcement that the reports of the ten groups would not be made public. A protest exploded. Australian cardinal George Pell, with the physique and temperament of a rugby player, was the most intransigent in demanding the publication of the texts. Baldisseri gave up. That same day, Pope Francis saw himself forced to expand the group charged with writing the final relation, adding Melbourne archbishop Denis J. Hart and above all the combative South African cardinal Napier.

    Who, however, had seen correctly. Because no matter what may be the outcome of this synod, intentionally devoid of any conclusion, the effect desired by its directors has to a large extent been reached.

    On homosexuality as on divorce and remarriage, in fact, the new talk of reform inserted into the global media circuit is worth much more than the favor actually gained among the synod fathers by the proposals of Kasper or Spadaro.

    The match could go on for a long time. But Pope Francis is patient. In “Evangelii Gaudium” he has written that “time is greater than space.”
  • BREAKING: [Burke says] Pope Harming the Church

    10/17/2014 5:54:40 PM PDT · 19 of 164
    Brian Kopp DPM to Bogey78O
    I believe the problem is that those who surround Francis are manipulating what he says and issuing dictates that are the problem.

    There just no longer any way to credibly believe this. Pope Francis has carefully engineered and guided this Synod agenda from day one.

    No, this Pope is the one behind the agenda that emerged on Monday, no one else.

    The Pope read and approved it prior to its release.


    “A reliable source told me Pope Francis was sent the text last Saturday morning, returned it to the Synod leaders Sunday, all before it appeared Monday. So as has long been the case, we do not know his thoughts other than he didn’t interfere in the release.”

  • BREAKING: [Burke says] Pope Harming the Church

    10/17/2014 5:35:24 PM PDT · 4 of 164
    Brian Kopp DPM to Salvation

    Very sad. Even more sad that we must trust a Cardinal more than a Pope to defend the Faith.

    See my new sig line.

  • BREAKING: [Burke says] Pope Harming the Church

    10/17/2014 5:25:44 PM PDT · 1 of 164
    Brian Kopp DPM

    Conservative Cardinal Who Clashed With Pope Francis Confirms He Has Been Ousted

    The head of the Catholic Church’s highest court speaks to BuzzFeed News from the Vatican.

    posted on Oct. 17, 2014, at 2:47

    Updated — 6:01 p.m. ET

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    Cardinal Raymond Burke leaves meeting during Extraordinary Synod on the Family in Vatican City. Franco Origlia / Getty Images

    A top cardinal told BuzzFeed News on Friday that the worldwide meeting of church leaders coming to a close in Rome seemed to have been designed to “weaken the church’s teaching and practice” with the apparent blessing of Pope Francis.

    Cardinal Raymond Burke, an American who heads the Vatican’s highest court of canon law, made the remarks in a phone interview from the Vatican, where a two-week Extraordinary Synod on the Family will conclude this weekend. An interim report of the discussions released on Monday, called the Relatio, produced a widespread backlash among conservative bishops who said it suggested a radical change to the church’s teaching on questions like divorce and homosexuality, and Burke has been among the most publicly critical of the bishops picked by Pope Francis to lead the discussion.

    If Pope Francis had selected certain cardinals to steer the meeting to advance his personal views on matters like divorce and the treatment of LGBT people, Burke said, he would not be observing his mandate as the leader of the Catholic Church.

    “According to my understanding of the church’s teaching and discipline, no, it wouldn’t be correct,” Burke said, saying the pope had “done a lot of harm” by not stating “openly what his position is.” Burke said the Pope had given the impression that he endorses some of the most controversial parts of the Relatio, especially on questions of divorce, because of a German cardinal who gave an important speech suggesting a path to allowing people who had divorced and remarried to receive communion, Cardinal Walter Kasper, to open the synod’s discussion.

    “The pope, more than anyone else as the pastor of the universal church, is bound to serve the truth,” Burke said. “The pope is not free to change the church’s teachings with regard to the immorality of homosexual acts or the insolubility of marriage or any other doctrine of the faith.”

    Burke has publicly clashed with the pope since Francis took office in 2013, and he has come to represent the sidelining of culture warriors elevated by Joseph Ratzinger as Pope Benedict and as the top doctrinal official under Pope John Paul II. Burke, who caused controversy while bishop of St. Louis by saying Catholics who voted for politicians supportive of abortion rights should not receive communion, went on Catholic television in 2013 to rebut remarks Pope Francis made to an interviewer that the church had become “obsessed” with abortion and sexuality to the exclusion of other issues, saying, “We can never talk enough about that as long as in our society innocent and defenseless human life is being attacked in the most savage way,” Burke said. While Francis famously responded to a question about homosexuality in 2013 by asking, “Who am I to judge?” Burke described homosexual “acts” as “always and everywhere wrong [and] evil” during an interview last week.

    In the interview with BuzzFeed News, Burke confirmed publicly for the first time the rumors that he had been told Francis intended to demote him from the church’s chief guardian of canon law to a minor post as patron to the Sovereign Military Order of Malta.

    “I very much have enjoyed and have been happy to give this service, so it is a disappointment to leave it,” Burke said, explaining that he hadn’t yet received a formal notice of transfer. “On the other hand, in the church as priests, we always have to be ready to accept whatever assignment we’re given. And so I trust, by accepting this assignment, I trust that God will bless me, and that’s what’s in the end most important.”

    When the pope first took office, his pivot away from an emphasis on questions of sexuality were more a matter of personal tone rather than changes in church policy or personnel. There were rumors that he was trying to oust the man chosen by Pope Benedict to head the church’s office responsible for doctrine, Gerhard Müller, but last winter he instead elevated him from archbishop to cardinal. When word that Burke was on his way out began circulating last month, it signaled that Francis would take major steps to reshape the church. It coincided with the selection of a new archbishop of Chicago, Blase Cupich, whom Catholic progressives celebrated for positions like breaking with the American church hierarchy when it withheld its support for President Obama’s health reform law over questions of abortion and contraception.

    Internal discontent among conservatives inside church leadership began to simmer over in the weeks leading up to the synod. Just before it began, Burke, Müller, and other senior cardinals published a book in several languages attacking the ideas laid out by Cardinal Walter Kasper on allowing those who had divorced and remarried to receive communion in a speech heartily praised by Pope Francis. It broke into open revolt at the midpoint of the synod, following publication of a document presented as a summary of discussions but that conservatives said misrepresented the debate by including passages on “welcoming homosexual persons” and discussing some of Kasper’s proposal on divorce. The backlash appeared to have been especially strong from the English-speaking world, which includes a large number of African and American bishops; in an apparent attempt to mollify anglophone conservatives, the Vatican released a new translation of the report that changed the phrase “welcoming homosexual persons” to “providing for homosexual persons” and made other small changes, while leaving the versions in all other languages unchanged.

    The report is now being revised with feedback from small-group discussions held this week, and a final version is scheduled to be voted on on Saturday. Burke said he hoped that the committee writing the new report will produce a “worthy document,” but said his “trust is a little bit shaken” by the language in the interim draft he said lacks “a good foundation either in the sacred scriptures or in the church’s perennial teachings.”

    But there seems to be little middle ground between Pope Francis’ worldview and Burke’s. Francis was president of the Argentinian bishops conference when that country passed a marriage equality bill in 2010 and reportedly tried to convince his colleagues to support a civil union proposal instead. He lost the internal battle and gave voice to the hard-line consensus that the law was “sent by the devil.” The fight over the bill left the church appearing out of step with the beliefs of many in Argentina, a country where 76% identify as Catholic but only 38.2% went to church in 2005, per the most recent data available from the Association of Religious Data Archives. While Francis has shown no sign he supports overhauling the church’s teachings that homosexuality is sinful, he seems to have taken from this experience a desire to downplay conflicts over sexuality in order to broaden the church’s message.

    But, Burke said, the church must always call a “person who’s involved in sinful acts … to conversion in a loving way, but obviously, like a father or mother in a family, in a firm way for the person’s own good.” There cannot be “a difference between doctrine and practice” on questions like homosexuality or anything else, Burke said.

    “The church doesn’t exclude anyone who’s of goodwill even if the person is suffering from same-sex attraction or even acting on that attraction,” said Burke. “If people don’t accept the church’s teaching on these matters then they’re not thinking with the church and they need to examine themselves on that and correct their thinking or leave the church if they absolutely can’t accept. They’re certainly not free to change the teaching of the church to suit their own ideas.”

    At the request of several readers, BuzzFeed News has printed a transcript of the section of the interview wherein Cardinal Burke talks about leaving the Signatura.

    BuzzFeed News: I should ask you about the reports that you’re being removed from the Signatura. What message is that sending? Do you think you are being removed in part because of how outspoken you have been on these issues?

    Cardinal Burke: The difficulty — I know about all the reports, obviously. I’ve not received an official transfer yet. Obviously, these matters depend on official acts. I mean, I can be told that I’m going to be transferred to a new position but until I have a letter of transfer in my hand it’s difficult for me to speak about it. I’m not free to comment on why I think this may be going to happen.

    BFN: Have you been told that you will be transferred?

    CB: Yes.

    BFN: You’re obviously a very well-respected person. That must be disappointing.

    CB: Well, I have to say, the area in which I work is an area for which I’m prepared and I’ve tried to give very good service. I very much have enjoyed and have been happy to give this service, so it is a disappointment to leave it.

    On the other hand, in the church as priests, we always have to be ready to accept whatever assignment we’re given. And so I trust that by accepting this assignment, I trust that God will bless me, and that’s what’s in the end most important. And even though I would have liked to have continued to work in the Apostolic Signatura, I’ll give myself to whatever is the new work that I’m assigned to…

    BFN: And that is as the chancellor to the Order of Malta, is that right?

    CB: It’s called the patron of the Sovereign Military Order of Malta, that’s right.


    Cardinal Raymond Burke is being removed from the position as the chief of the Supreme Tribunal of the Apostolic Signatura. An earlier version of this post mischaracterized that position in one instance. Oct. 17, 2014, at 6:02 p.m.

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    Not rude, shrewd. They knew exactly what they were doing.