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  • Vatican Alleged to Have Intercepted Synod Book

    02/25/2015 3:26:45 PM PST · 7 of 25
    Brian Kopp DPM to BlatherNaut

    Cardinal Baldiserri, personally elevated to cardinal by Pope Francis and appointed secretary of the Synod by Pope Francis, ordered the book opposing Cardinal Kasper’s proposals to be STOLEN from the Vatican post office boxes of all the Synod participants! What kind of banana republic has Vatican City become under Pope Francis?!?

  • Emergency Contraception at Catholic Institutions: Bishops Can No Longer Claim Ignorance

    02/24/2015 8:56:44 AM PST · 3 of 8
    Brian Kopp DPM to Vermont Lt

    If you read the study, Dr. Kahlenborn’s point is that Plan B is largely ineffective, but when Plan B does work, the majority of the time it is via an abortifacient effect. Given the latter, it simply should not be used in Catholic institutions.

  • Emergency Contraception at Catholic Institutions: Bishops Can No Longer Claim Ignorance

    02/24/2015 8:46:22 AM PST · 1 of 8
    Brian Kopp DPM
  • Study: Plan B more likely to cause abortion than prevent pregnancy

    02/20/2015 10:40:23 AM PST · 13 of 17
    Brian Kopp DPM to trisham; wagglebee
    The Washington Times also had an article this week about Dr. Kahlenborn's study: Plan B more likely to end, versus prevent, pregnancy

    Notice how one of the people they interviewed tried to use the redefinition of "conception" against Dr. Kahlenborn's main point:

    Jessica Arons, president and chief executive of the Reproductive Health Technologies Project, said the study authors seemed to be crafting a political statement to push their “radical notion” that Catholic hospitals should not use EC for rape victims.

    “However, [the Linacre Quarterly authors’] definition of abortion to include interference with the implantation of a fertilized egg is outside the medical mainstream, said Ms. Arons.

    “Whether LNG-EC disrupts ovulation, interferes with fertilization or prevents implantation is irrelevant, since all three function to prevent pregnancy under established medical definitions,” she said, adding: “No matter what patina of science they attempt to use to cloak their ideological intentions, the bottom line is this: LNG-EC works only to prevent, not end, pregnancy.”

    Dr. Kahlenborn's position has only been outside the medical mainstream since they deliberately and with malice redefined these words in the recent past. They've been working on this verbal engineering since the late 1960s. Readers can see this 13 year old thread here for more on the subject:

    Medical dictionaries redefine "CONCEPTION" to obscure the TRUTH regarding contraceptive technologies

  • Medical dictionaries redefine "CONCEPTION" to obscure the TRUTH regarding contraceptive technologies

    02/20/2015 9:43:04 AM PST · 115 of 116
    Brian Kopp DPM to wagglebee; trisham

    Ping. Documentation of the evolution of the definition of conception, related to recent thread. Note this thread is almost 14 years old now.

  • Study: Plan B more likely to cause abortion than prevent pregnancy

    02/19/2015 12:48:37 PM PST · 7 of 17
    Brian Kopp DPM to trisham; wagglebee

    The medical community denies it causes an abortion because in the last two decades they’ve conveniently redefined “conception” as the moment of implantation. Therefore anything that destroys the fertilized egg prior to implantation is in their mind not abortifacient because “conception” has not yet occurred. Then based on this language manipulation, they claim anyone who points out an abortifacient effect prior to implantation is “outside the mainstream” of modern medicine and simply pushing an agenda. Goebbels would be proud.

  • As church-goers wane, Germany's controversial tax prompts unease

    02/13/2015 4:45:32 PM PST · 8 of 11
    Brian Kopp DPM to NYer

    How can this article be written without addressing the obvious: the German church’s attempt through the Synod to change Church doctrine and discipline, to readmit the divorced and remarried to the Sacraments, to bring fallen away Catholics back into being nice little pew warming, TAX PAYING members?

  • On Russia's Babylonian Captivity Under Vladimir Putin

    02/06/2015 9:08:47 AM PST · 11 of 14
    Brian Kopp DPM to Teófilo

    Amen, brother.

  • EPA chief headed to Vatican to talk climate change

    01/28/2015 10:41:10 AM PST · 29 of 30
    Brian Kopp DPM to redgolum

    Frightening, eh? The red movement hid itself inside the green movement. Now the green movement is using “global warming” to implement the red movement’s goals, goals they could never achieve when they were up front and honest about them.

  • EPA chief headed to Vatican to talk climate change

    01/28/2015 10:38:58 AM PST · 28 of 30
    Brian Kopp DPM to A Navy Vet

    The only thing worse than organized religion is disorganized religion.

  • EPA chief headed to Vatican to talk climate change

    01/27/2015 6:19:33 PM PST · 1 of 30
    Brian Kopp DPM
    Ah yes. What the world needs most right now is more collusion between the Obama regime and the Vatican, right?
  • Drawn to God's design Cath converts share how Church’s teaching on contraception led them to Faith

    01/25/2015 4:17:58 PM PST · 15 of 45
    Brian Kopp DPM to babygene
    You do not know what you're talking about, so let's refer to the medical literature for some verifiable statistics:

    British Medical Journal, Sept 18, 1993 v307 n6906 p723(4) 

    "Natural family planning": 
    Effective Birth Control Supported by the Catholic Church
     R.E.J. Ryder. 


    Abstract:
        Natural family planning, when used by motivated couples, is a safe and cost-effective means of birth control. Natural family planning, which involves teaching women to recognize signs of ovulation and to avoid intercourse on fertile days, is the only method of birth control approved by the Catholic Church. A total of 869 women of diverse ethnic and economic backgrounds participated in a study conducted by the World Health Organization. Regardless of literacy and culture, 93% of the women were able to recognize the changes in their cervical mucus associated with ovulation. Other studies have emphasized the importance of good initial teaching and the motivation of the woman practicing the method. A failure rate of 0.2 pregnancies per 100 women was found in a study of 19,843 women in India. 

    ...The largest natural family planning study combined effective teaching with high motivation and showed that natural family planning can be extremely effective in the Third World.[33] The study was of 19 843 predominantly poor women in Calcutta, 52% Hindu, 27% Muslim, and 21% Christian. Because of poverty motivation was high both among the users and among the well trained teachers of natural family planning. The failure rate was similar to that with the combined contraceptive pill--0.2 pregnancy/100 women users yearly.[33] The result suggests that poverty as the motivation can greatly improve the effectiveness of natural family planning. A similar result, however, was achieved in Germany in a study with a pregnancy rate of 0.8.[34] 


    An Italian study found an overall pregnancy rate of 3.6, all the pregnancies occurring in couples wishing to space but not limit their families. The pregnancy rate was zero in couples who wanted no more children.[30] With other German studies finding pregnancy rates of 1.8[31] and 2.3,[36] a study in general practice in the United Kingdom finding a rate of 2.7,[39] and a study among 3003 illiterate and semiliterate women in India yielding a pregnancy rate of 2.04[37] the accumulating data confirm that natural family planning can be as effective as any method of family planning. 

  • Rabbits and NFP

    01/23/2015 5:34:00 PM PST · 51 of 68
    Brian Kopp DPM to humblegunner

    British Medical Journal, Sept 18, 1993 v307 n6906 p723(4)

    “Natural family planning”:
    Effective Birth Control Supported by the Catholic Church
    R.E.J. Ryder.

    Abstract:
    Natural family planning, when used by motivated couples, is a safe and cost-effective means of birth control. Natural family planning, which involves teaching women to recognize signs of ovulation and to avoid intercourse on fertile days, is the only method of birth control approved by the Catholic Church. A total of 869 women of diverse ethnic and economic backgrounds participated in a study conducted by the World Health Organization. Regardless of literacy and culture, 93% of the women were able to recognize the changes in their cervical mucus associated with ovulation. Other studies have emphasized the importance of good initial teaching and the motivation of the woman practicing the method. A failure rate of 0.2 pregnancies per 100 women was found in a study of 19,843 women in India.

    [Full Text: COPYRIGHT 1993 British Medical Association]

    During 20-22 September Manchester is to host the 1993 follow up to last year’s “earth summit” in Rio de Janeiro. At that summit the threat posed by world overpopulation received considerable attention. Catholicism was perceived as opposed to birth control and therefore as a particular threat. This was based on the notion that the only method of birth control approved by the church—natural family planning—is unreliable, unacceptable, and ineffective.

    In the 20 years since E L Billings and colleagues first described the cervical mucus symptoms associated with ovulation natural family planning has incorporated these symptoms and advanced considerably. Ultrasonography shows that the symptoms identify ovulation precisely. According to the World Health Organisation, 93% of women everywhere can identify the symptoms, which distinguish adequately between the fertile and infertile phases of the menstrual cycle. Most pregnancies during trials of natural family planning occur after intercourse at times recognised by couples as fertile. Thus pregnancy rates have depended on the motivation of couples. Increasingly studies show that rates equivalent to those with other contraceptive methods are readily achieved in the developed and developing worlds. Indeed, a study of 19 843 poor women in India had a pregnancy rate approaching zero. Natural family planning is cheap, effective, without side effects, and may be particularly acceptable to and efficacious among people in areas of poverty.
    The 1993 follow up to last year’s “earth summit” in Rio de Janeiro is to take place in Manchester during 20-22 September and is entitled “Partnerships for change.” The Rio earth summit focused considerable attention on the expanding population of the world as an important issue in relation to resources, environment, and poverty. In the media the “opposition of the Catholic Church to birth control” was discussed (BBC Radio 4, Today Programme, 18 May 1992) and considered to be an important factor with the many millions of Catholics in the world, particularly the Third World, such as Brazil. In the medical press the “Pope’s continuing opposition to birth control” was condemned[1] and powerful Vatican opposition was considered likely to wreck hope of useful progress at the earth summit with regard to global overpopulation as a most urgent ecological hazard.[2]
    The widespread beliefs that the Catholic Church is opposed to birth control,[1] that the urgent provision of artificial contraception within the Third World is the only answer to overpopulation, and that the Catholic Church is opposed to this[2] all stem from the perception that the so called “natural methods of family planning,” which are approved by the Catholic Church, are unreliable, unacceptable, and ineffective. Historically, this perception is based on the unreliability of the rhythm method of contraception (”Roman roulette”), which attempts to identify the fertile phase of the woman’s cycle by calendar calculations. Is this perception as accurate today as it may have been in the past?
    The ovum has a life span of not more than 24 hours and is fertilisable for only part of that time.[3] The life span of the sperm may be measured in hours under adverse conditions. Under optimum conditions, however, sperms may remain viable for four or five days, and a life span of up to seven days has been postulated.[3] Thus a woman is potentially fertile for no more than six to eight days of her cycle, probably less in most cases. To what extent can these potentially fertile days be accurately identified and avoided by most women as a method of birth control?
    Cyclical changes in cervical mucus secretion

    In 1972 Billings et al reported the characteristic changes in cervical mucus secretion which occur during the menstrual cycle.[4] After menstruation there are a variable number of “dry” days with little or no mucus secretion and a feeling of dryness in the vaginal area. Then, as ovulation approaches under the influence of increasing oestrogen concentrations[3 5] the dry feeling ends and there is increasing secretion of cervical mucus, which at the time of ovulation becomes an abundant discharge of substance like the raw white of an egg. After ovulation the first secretion of progesterone abruptly reverses the effect of oestrogen on cervical mucus and causes it to become thick and rubbery, forming a plug in the cervix.[3 5] The fertile-type, “raw egg white” cervical mucus is of low viscosity and high threadability (spinnbarkeit) with glycoprotein fibrils in a micelle-like structure which aids sperm migration. It contains sugars and trace elements necessary for sperm survival, capacitation, and transport and it can maintain the sperm capable of fertilisation for several days.[3 5 6] By contrast, the thick, white, non-stretchy mucus which occurs at other times in the cycle is impenetrable by sperm and hostile to its survival.

    Other symptoms have been described in association with ovulation, in particular periovulatory pain and the progesterone induced postovulatory rise in basal body temperature. Hormonal studies have confirmed the close relation of the various symptoms with ovulation,[4 7] and more recently ovarian ultrasonography has suggested that the day of most abundant secretion of fertile-type egg white mucus identifies the day of ovulation as precisely as does the luteinising hormone peak (see figure).[8] Other symptoms associated with the cyclical changes in oestrogen and progesterone concentrations include changes in the cervix, breast tissue, skin, hair, libido, and moods.[3 5]

    Pregnancy and contraception

    Reported pregnancy rates (pregnancies per 100 woman years; Pearl index) in well motivated couples using the condom, diaphragm, intrauterine device, and progestogen only and combined oestrogen-progestogen oral contraception are 3.6, 1.9, 1.4, 1.2, and 0.18 respectively.[9] Much higher rates have been recorded, particularly among less motivated couples—for example, pregnancy rates of 21 and 22 in condom users[10] and 23 in diaphragm users.[10] Pregnancy rates of 23 and 28 have also been reported in users of oral contraceptives in the developing world.[11] As shown in Oxford, even the contraceptive pill may fail if the woman forgets to take it, runs out of tablets, or has diarrhoea and vomiting or other illness.[12]
    Early trials of birth control based on symptom observation[13-17] yielded pregnancy rates of 6.0[17] to 25.4.[13] Most conceptions occurred because of intercourse on days designated by the family planning method as fertile. Controversy therefore ensued[18-21] between those who thought that all pregnancies occurring in trials should be considered as failures of the particular method[19 21] and those who thought that the method could not be blamed if couples had intercourse during a phase which they knew to be fertile.[18 20] It was also possible that initial scepticism about natural family planning methods led to a casual approach by couples.[13]
    WHO study

    Given a natural pregnancy rate—that is, the Pearl index without any birth control—estimated as 80,[22] the cheapness of natural family planning, and the acceptability of natural family planning to many cultures and religions, the World Health Organisation undertook an international study.[23-27] A total of 869 women of proved fertility and widely varying cultural, educational, and economic backgrounds were studied in five centres (Auckland, Bangalore, Dublin, Manila, and San Miguel, El Salvador). Regardless of culture and education, 93% of the women recorded an interpretable ovulatory mucus pattern. Of the El Salvador women, 48.1% were illiterate and yet recognised the mucus symptoms.[23]

    Detailed analysis in the WHO study confirmed the potential effectiveness of mucus symptom observation as a means of family planning. The probability of conception from intercourse outside the period of fertility defined by cervical mucus observation was 0.004 (see table).[25] Intercourse on days designated as fertile by cervical mucus observation resulted in conception with increasing frequency the nearer to ovulation that intercourse occurred, intercourse on the peak day of cervical mucus secretion resulting in a probability of conception of 0.667 (table).[25] Thus it is clear that women of all cultures and educational backgrounds can learn to recognise when they ovulate and when they are potentially fertile and that if intercourse is avoided on potentially fertile days pregnancies will not occur.

    [TABULAR DATA OMITTED]
    Increased confidence in natural contraception

    After the early studies,[13-17] increased confidence in and experience with natural family planning methods tended to lead to progressively lower overall pregnancy rates. The rates, however, remain variable, depending on the standard of teaching and the motivation to avoid pregnancy.[24 28-39] A study in Chile confirmed the importance of good initial natural family planning teaching, experienced teachers achieving a pregnancy rate of 4.7, inexperienced teachers achieving a rate of 16.8.[28] Studies have underlined the importance of motivation, one international study finding a pregnancy rate of 4.13 in couples wishing to limit their families but a rate of 14.56 in couples wishing only to space their families.[29] Studies suggest that methods combining several indicators of ovulation yield lower pregnancy rates.[3] The cost issue has been addressed, studies from Liberia and Zambia showing pregnancy rates of 4.3 and 8.9 and user costs of $40 and $30 respectively.[35] A study of natural family planning in general practice in the United Kingdom also found it to be by far the cheapest method.[39]

    The largest natural family planning study combined effective teaching with high motivation and showed that natural family planning can be extremely effective in the Third World.[33] The study was of 19 843 predominantly poor women in Calcutta, 52% Hindu, 27% Muslim, and 21% Christian. Because of poverty motivation was high both among the users and among the well trained teachers of natural family planning. The failure rate was similar to that with the combined contraceptive pill—0.2 pregnancy/100 women users yearly.[33] The result suggests that poverty as the motivation can greatly improve the effectiveness of natural family planning. A similar result, however, was achieved in Germany in a study with a pregnancy rate of 0.8.[34]

    An Italian study found an overall pregnancy rate of 3.6, all the pregnancies occurring in couples wishing to space but not limit their families. The pregnancy rate was zero in couples who wanted no more children.[30] With other German studies finding pregnancy rates of 1.8[31] and 2.3,[36] a study in general practice in the United Kingdom finding a rate of 2.7,[39] and a study among 3003 illiterate and semiliterate women in India yielding a pregnancy rate of 2.04[37] the accumulating data confirm that natural family planning can be as effective as any method of family planning.

    Implications for the Third World

    In the WHO study most couples in the three developing countries who practised natural family planning were satisfied with the frequency of intercourse, whereas in the two developed countries one third of subjects and half of their partners who practised the method would have preferred more frequent intercourse.[27] It might be argued that natural family planning being cheap, effective, without side effects, and potentially particularly effective and acceptable in areas of poverty may be the family planning method of choice for the Third World. The case for and against this may be argued and debated, but whatever the standpoint there is no doubt that it would be more efficient for the ongoing world debate on overpopulation, resources, environment, poverty, and health to be conducted against a background of truth rather than fallacy. It is therefore important that the misconception that Catholicism is synonymous with ineffective birth control[1 2] is laid to rest.

    Understanding the simple facts about the signs of fertility confers considerable power to couples to control their fertility, for achieving as well as preventing conception. The widespread dissemination of these simple facts would be useful everywhere but might be of particular value in the Third World.

    Notes

    [1] Godlee F. Going backwards in Rio. BMJ 1992;304:1525.
    [2] Poole J. Time for the Vatican to bend. Lancet 1992;339:1340-1.
    [3] Flynn AM. Natural methods of contraception. Maternal and Child Health 1991;16:148-53.
    [4] Billings EL, Billings JJ, Brown JB, Burger HG. Symptoms and hormonal changes accompanying ovulation. Lancet 1972;i:282-4.
    [5] France JT. The detection of ovulation for fertility and infertility. In: Bonnar J, ed. Recent advances in obstetrics and gynaecology. Edinburgh: Churchill Livingstone, 1982:215-39.
    [6] Bromwich PD. Problems with sperm/cervical mucus interaction. Part 1: pathophysiology. British Journal of Sexual Medicine 1985;12:124-5.
    [7] Flynn AM, Lynch SS. Cervical mucus and identification of the fertile phase of the menstrual cycle. Br J Obstet Gynaecol 1976;83:656-9.
    [8] Depares J, Ryder REJ, Walker SM, Scanlon MF, Norman CM. Ovarian ultrasonography highlights precison of symptoms of ovulation as markers of ovulation. BMJ 1986;292:1562.
    [9] Vessey M, Lawless M, Yeates D. Efficacy of different contraceptive methods. Lancet 1982;i:841-2.
    [10] Mills A. Barrier contraception. Clin Obstet Gynecol 1984;11:641-60.
    [11] Laing JE. Natural family planning in the Philippines. Stud Fam Plann 1984;15:49-55.
    [12] Duncan G, Harper C, Ashwell E, Mant D, Buchan H, Jones L. Termination of pregnancy: lessons for prevention. British Journal of Family Planning 1990;15:112-7.
    [13] Weissman MC, Foliaki L, Billings EL, Billings JJ. A trial of the ovulation method of family planning in Tonga. Lancet 1972;ii:813-6.
    [14] Ball M. A prospective field trial of the ovulation method of avoiding conception. Eur J Obstet Gynecol Reprod Biol 1976;6:63-6.
    [15] Marshall J. A field trial of the basal body temperature method of regulating births. Lancet 1968;ii:8-10.
    [16] Marshall J. Cervical-mucus and basal body temperature method of regulating births. Lancet 1976;ii:282-3.
    [17] Parenteau-Carreau S, Lanctot CA, Rice FJ. Etude internationale Fairfield sur l’efficacite de la methode sympto-thermique de regulation des naissances. Resultats Canadiens compares aux resultats globaux. La Vie Medicale au Canada Francais 1976;4:145-53.
    [18] Billings JJ. Natural family planning. Lancet 1976;ii:579.
    [19] Marshall J. Natural family planning. Lancet 1976;ii:685.
    [20] Billings JJ. Natural family planning. Lancet 1976;ii:969.
    [21] Marshall J. Natural family planning. Lancet 1976;ii:1085.
    [22] Reid KM. Choice of method. In: Loudon N, ed. Handbook of family planning. Edinburgh: Churchill Livingstone, 1985:25-39.
    [23] World Health Organisation. A prospective multicentre trial of the ovulation method of natural family planning. I. The teaching phase. Fertil Steril 1981;36:152-8.
    [24] World Health Organisation. A prospective multicentre trial of the ovulation method of natural family planning. II. The effectiveness phase. Fertil Steril 1981;36:591-8.
    [25] World Health Organisation. A prospective multicentre trial of the ovulation method of natural family planning. III. Characteristics of the menstrual cycle and of the fertile phase. Fertil Steril 1983;40:773-8.
    [26] World Health Organisation. A prospective multicentre trial of the ovulation method of natural family planning. IV. The outcome of pregnancy. Fertil Steril 1984;41:593-8.
    [27] World Health Organisation. A prospective multicentre trial of the ovulation method of natural family planning. V. Psychosexual aspects. Fertil Steril 1987;47:765-72.
    [28] Perez A, Zabala A, Larrain A, Widmer S, Nunez M, Baranda B, et al. The clinical efficiency of the ovulation method (Billings). Rev Chil Obstet Ginecol 1983;48:97-102.
    [29] Rice RJ, Lanctot CA, Garcia-Devesa C. Effectiveness of the symptothermal method of natural family planning: an international study. Int J Fertil 1981;26:222-30.
    [30] Barbato M, Bertolotti G. Natural methods for fertility control: a prospective study. Int J Fertil 1988;33(suppl):48-51.
    [31] Frank-Hermann P, Bremme M, Rosmus t, Kunkel W. Use-effectiveness of a symptothermal method in Germany. In: Schaitouits H, ed. Proceedings of 4th European congress IFFLP/FIDAF Vienna, Austria. Vienna: Institut fur Ehe und Familie, 1987:27-45.
    [32] Bonnar J. Natural family planning including breast feeding. In: Mishell DR, ed. Advances in fertility research. New York: Raven Press, 1982:1-18.
    [33] Ghosh AK, Saha S, Chattergee G. Symptothermia vis a vis fertility control. Journal of Obstetrics and Gynaecology of India 1982;32:443-7.
    [34] Roetzer J. Symptothermal methods of natural family planning. International Review of Natural Family Planning 1981;5:200-2.
    [35] Kambic RT, Gray RH, Lanctot CA, Martin MC, Wesley R, Cremins R. Evaluation of natural family planning programs in Liberia and Zambia. Am J Obstet Gynecol 1991;165:2078.
    [36] Frank-Herrmann P, Freundl G, Burr S, Bremme M, Doring GK, Godehardt EAJ, et al. Effectiveness and acceptability of the symptothermal method of natural family planning in Germany. Am J Obstet Gynecol 1991;165:2052-4.
    [37] Dorairaj K. The modified mucus method in India. Am J Obstet Gynecol 1991;165:2066-7.
    [38] Kelly J. Audit of health services in Gurage. J Trop Pediatr 1992;38:206-7.
    [39] Clubb EM, Pyper CM, Knight J. A pilot study on teaching natural family planning in general practice. In: Natural family planning: current knowledge and new strategies for the 1990s. Washington, DC: Georgetown University, 1990:130-2.

  • Rabbits and NFP

    01/23/2015 2:30:39 PM PST · 33 of 68
    Brian Kopp DPM to piusv

    Some FReeper’s sole purpose is to mock and derail threads on topics they find disagreeable. Why its tolerated, we’ll never know.

  • Rabbits and NFP

    01/23/2015 1:47:00 PM PST · 26 of 68
    Brian Kopp DPM to DarkSavant
    To say this has made your average Catholic's ability to evangelize more difficult is an understatement.

    Indeed.

    You can only blame it on mistranslations and media manipulations for so long before you lose all credibility yourself in defending these gaffes.

  • Rabbits and NFP

    01/23/2015 12:38:38 PM PST · 13 of 68
    Brian Kopp DPM to webheart
    No, NFP does not mean withdrawal ("coitus interruptus"). It means abstaining from sex the 6 to 6 days a months when the woman might be fertile.

    In regards to "responsible parenthood" this is what we taught in our NFP classes:

    To say that NFP (Natural Family Planning) is ALWAYS sinful (the position of some rad trads) is just as wrong as to say that NFP is NEVER sinful (the position of many Theology of the Body and NFP promoters).

    If my "INTENTION" is to bring home enough money to feed my family, that is a good thing. I may get a job, bring home my salary, and feed my children. The job is a licit way to achieve a licit thing.

    On the other hand, I could rob a bank and get enough money to feed my family for a whole year. That is an illicit way of achieving a licit good thing.

    The same is true for child spacing. If my children would literally starve if my wife were to get pregnant, it is morally licit to space children until I could afford to feed them.

    NFP would be a morally licit way to achieve this necessity.

    But artificial birth control is intrinsically evil. It can never be morally licit to have recourse to artificial contraception.

    So the INTENTION in having recourse to EITHER artificial family planning OR "natural" family planning could be illicit or licit. One may be sinful, one may not.

    However, the method itself, in the case of artificial birth control, is intrinsically illicit, i.e. regardless of intent is it gravely sinful.

    However, NFP itself is morally neutral. It becomes morally illicit when the intention itself is illicit.

    4 main reasons for having recourse to NFP from Casti Connubii and Humanae Vitae:

    1--Physical/ mental health---a pregnancy could kill you or so physically impair you as to prevent your fulfillment of your duties in your state in life---NOT because of a widening waste line or drooping skin! Or psychological health, i.e., mom would literally have a nervous breakdown if she became pregnant---not because she "just couldn't stand being home with the little kids all day without the personal fulfillment of her professional job..."

    2--Financial constraints---your child will starve if you have another. Wanting a bigger house or designer SUV just does not cut it!

    3--work on the mission fields by one or both spouses that would preclude having children temporarily

    4--active persecution or war---i.e., you or your child likely to die by coercive abortion, in concentration camp, in acts of war, etc.

    Clearly we say these reasons must be SERIOUS, not trivial. Only the couple and their confessor can decide what truly constitutes grave reason.

    We've had couples sit through my talk on this subject and literally say, "Gee, we thought we were being good Catholics just for deciding to use NFP. Now we realize we don't even have grounds for recourse to NFP," then tell us a month or two later they're pregnant.

    NFP vs Contraception

    Spacing children may be a desirable goal that does not violate God's laws in certain serious situations such as those outlined above. But the means of achieving the goal differ.

    One is intrinsically evil (abortion, abortifacient contraception, barrier methods, sterilization) while one is morally neutral (Natural Family Planning).

    In one, an act is performed (sex) but its natural outcome is artificially foiled.

    In the other, no act is performed (simple abstinence during fertile times) so there IS no act, therefore the practice is morally neutral.

    It is then the intention of using NFP that constitutes its relative moral licitness or illicitness.

    If NFP is used in a selfish manner, it too can be sinful.

    If it is used only in grave circumstances, it is not sinful.

    The difference is real.

    Dieting (decreasing caloric intake, the "act" of NOT eating) is a moral and responsible means of losing weight to maintain the body's health.

    Bulimia (the ACT of eating, them vomiting) is rightly called an eating DISORDER.

    An ACT is performed (eating in this case) and its natural outcome (nutrition) is foiled by expelling the food from the body.

    Likewise contraception is a disorder. An ACT is performed (sex) and its natural outcome (procreation) is foiled by expelling the sperm or egg or both (abortifacient contraceptives) from the body.

    Contraception is to NFP what Bulimia is to dieting.

    But just as dieting can be misused (anorexia) so too can NFP be misused in a sinful manner.

  • Rabbits and NFP

    01/23/2015 11:35:19 AM PST · 10 of 68
    Brian Kopp DPM to MrEdd
    Natural Family Planning, also known as “the rhythm method”.

    Thanks. Also, NFP is not the "rhythm method."

  • Rabbits and NFP

    01/23/2015 11:12:26 AM PST · 8 of 68
    Brian Kopp DPM to Redbob

    Rabbits.

  • Rabbits and NFP

    01/23/2015 10:57:36 AM PST · 1 of 68
    Brian Kopp DPM
  • Pope: Catholics Don't Have to Breed 'Like Rabbits'

    01/19/2015 6:00:47 PM PST · 28 of 47
    Brian Kopp DPM to Faith Presses On; Salvation

    NewsMax is actually very Catholic friendly. They have some good committed Catholics on staff. Good committed Catholics are getting tired of this Pope’s lack of custody of the tongue. Every time he says something Catholic, like his solid comments on Humanae Vitae earlier on this trip, he feels the need to undermine it with stupid statements like this latest one regarding Catholics and rabbits.

  • Pope Says Three Catholic Phrases. Pollyannas Are Delighted.

    01/19/2015 3:43:42 PM PST · 11 of 18
    Brian Kopp DPM to BlatherNaut
    Francis ... suggests Catholics should limit children

    Excerpt:

    At the same time, however, Francis made a statement that seems without precedent for a pope, suggesting that parents may have a responsibility to limit the number of their children, saying: "This does not signify that the Christian must make children in series."

    Telling the story of a woman he met in a parish in Rome several months ago who had given birth to seven children via Cesarean section and was pregnant with an eighth, Francis asked: "Does she want to leave the seven orphans?"

    "This is to tempt God," he said, adding later: "That is an irresponsibility." Catholics, the pope said, should speak of "responsible parenthood."

    "How do we do this?" Francis asked. "With dialogue. Each person with his pastor seeks how to do that responsible parenthood."

    "God gives you methods to be responsible," he continued. "Some think that -- excuse the word -- that in order to be good Catholics we have to be like rabbits. No."

    "This is clear and that is why in the church there are marriage groups, there are experts in this matter, there are pastors," Francis said. Using the term for a practice that follows church law, he continued: "I know so many, many licit ways that have helped this."

  • Prayer request = Mrs Don-o (Update 194, 255, 318, 365, 394, 416, 467, 480, 550)

    01/19/2015 3:07:02 PM PST · 139 of 562
    Brian Kopp DPM to don-o; Mrs. Don-o

    Prayers up!

  • Pope Francis says global warming is 'mostly manmade'

    01/15/2015 8:04:34 PM PST · 45 of 182
    Brian Kopp DPM to ebb tide
  • Francis, filtered (George Weigel finds something missing...)

    12/17/2014 7:10:11 PM PST · 4 of 39
    Brian Kopp DPM to Mrs. Don-o
    And on the other hand...

    YouTube: Why Is Pope Francis the Idol of the Secular Media?

    Posted on: Wednesday, December 17, 2014
  • Killing Has Taken Its Toll: Abortion’s Slippery Slope Has Turned Into Euthanasia

    12/17/2014 12:21:55 PM PST · 15 of 26
    Brian Kopp DPM to wagglebee
    In the USA, approximately 2.4 million people die annually from all causes. Approximately 1.7 million patients receive hospice and/or palliative care annually (with more than 200,000 discharged alive from hospice care each year). With each passing year, a higher percentage of total yearly mortality occurs within the context of hospice and palliative care.

    Of the 1.5 million who die annually under hospice or palliative care, a growing number are dying premature deaths due to "stealth euthanasia," primarily via premature withdrawal of hydration and nutrition, over-medication, and terminal sedation.

    Having spoken with pro-life leaders in the end of life care field, I think it is safe to say that the numbers are not small and that they are increasing rapidly. A very conservative estimate would be that about one out of five patients under the care of the hospice and palliative care industry are caused to die premature deaths as described by Bobby Schindler in this article.

    That is 300,000 deaths by stealth euthanasia yearly. Many in the hospice and palliative care field are trying to make terminal sedation the standard of care. Those who are terminally sedated cannot take food and water, and the end of life care industry rarely provides assisted nutrition and hydration. As terminal sedation becomes more prevalent, the number of those dying by euthanasia will increase steadily.

  • vanity - Post your review of "The Hobbit"

    12/16/2014 8:59:31 PM PST · 32 of 39
    Brian Kopp DPM to LadyDoc

    Good points.

    Our family never pays extra for the 3D. I just don’t think it ever really ads much to a movie except the need for Dramamine.

    We all agreed the movie could have done without the dwarf/elf romance plot.

  • vanity - Post your review of "The Hobbit"

    12/16/2014 6:57:34 PM PST · 22 of 39
    Brian Kopp DPM to Perdogg

    Our family just saw it, first local showing here. It was well done, as good as or better than the first two, but it compressed a lot of story lines into the two hour and 15 minute showing time. We’re looking forward to seeing what the director’s cut includes.

    It was a more mellow movie, maybe some more tears among the women in our group than the other five movies. Any more comments than that would constitute spoilers.

    If you liked the first two and minor deviations from the Tolkien canon don’t bother you, you should like this one also.

  • France wants to legalize terminal sedation

    12/12/2014 9:35:28 AM PST · 3 of 7
    Brian Kopp DPM to Olog-hai

    Palliative Sedation in End-of-Life Care

    Susan D. Bruce, RN, BSN, OCN, Cristina C. Hendrix, DNS, APRN-BC, GNP, FNP, Jennifer H. Gentry, RN, MSN, ANP, APRN-BC, PCM

    Journal of Hospice and Palliative Nursing. 2006;8(6):320-327.

    Excerpt:

    In 1997, the United States Supreme Court ruled against physician-assisted suicide but maintained support for aggressive palliative care. The Supreme Court rulings Vacco v Quill 521 US 793 (1997) and Washington v Glucksberg 521 US 702 (1997) supported the concept of sedation when used to relieve intractable suffering. These decisions sanctioned the use of sedation, even to the point of rendering a patient unconscious or hastening death. It is felt that in palliative sedation, unconsciousness relieves suffering.[17] Palliative sedation is the use of carefully titrated medications and is distinct from assisted suicide. In Supreme Court briefs opposing physician-assisted suicide, proponents for hospice and palliative care found palliative sedation to be a morally and clinically preferable last resort alternative to the relief of intractable symptoms...

  • France wants to legalize terminal sedation

    12/12/2014 9:29:58 AM PST · 2 of 7
    Brian Kopp DPM to Olog-hai

    It happens every day here in the good ole’ USA, why not France?

  • Pope Francis: Demotion of Burke not ‘Punishment’

    12/07/2014 7:45:42 PM PST · 3 of 17
    Brian Kopp DPM to marshmallow

    I don’t listen so much to what he says, I watch what he does. And what he does speaks much louder than what he says.

  • VANITY: Freeper Blackelk is in hospital, kidney failure, in danger of death (Update # 176, 192)

    11/29/2014 7:31:02 PM PST · 73 of 203
    Brian Kopp DPM to Dr. Sivana

    Prayers up! Thanks for letting us know.

  • Update: Pope Francis and One-World Religion [Pope Picked to Lead One-World Church]

    11/21/2014 8:17:39 AM PST · 26 of 38
    Brian Kopp DPM to ebb tide
    The URI Charter was finally signed on June 26, 2000, during a six-day Summit in Pittsburg, Pennsylvania, making the one-world church a reality.

    I was there that day as an "undercover informant" for Lee Penn, who did a series of investigative reports and wrote the book on the URI. Frankly the meeting was a dud and very poorly attended.

    That Cardinal Bergoglio had anything whatsoever to do with the URI is horrifying to contemplate.

  • The Knives that Were Out for Card. Burke, are Now Being Sharpened for… [Pell]

    11/12/2014 2:57:53 PM PST · 7 of 17
    Brian Kopp DPM to marshmallow

    “Surprise, surprise, surprise!”

    http://youtube.com/watch?v=2TnkJ8_BmSI

  • Thank Cardinal Burke for his Vatican Service [Petition]

    11/09/2014 11:13:43 AM PST · 5 of 17
    Brian Kopp DPM to marshmallow

    Done, thanks.

  • Trumpets of Warning! — Part III

    11/08/2014 7:27:18 PM PST · 20 of 31
    Brian Kopp DPM to Bigg Red
    the author’s statement implies that somehow the consumption of resources in a developed country deprives the poor in underdeveloped nations such as Haiti. Like we are taking food out of their mouths.

    Actually, its our consumption of third world resources that causes problems in the third world. Read up on National Security Study Memorandum 200 ("NSSM 200") if you're not familiar with the US national security policy of controlling third world population growth to maintain cheap US access to strategic reserves in third world nations.

  • Trumpets of Warning! — Part III

    11/08/2014 4:54:59 PM PST · 16 of 31
    Brian Kopp DPM to mlizzy

    In every other supposed Marian apparition, its the local bishop who makes the call on its authenticity. The local bishops have made the call on Medjugorje, its been discredited, but people ignore the local bishops.

    Good analysis here:
    http://www.unamsanctamcatholicam.com/history/79-history/260-understanding-the-herzegovina-question.html

  • Trumpets of Warning! — Part III

    11/08/2014 4:49:25 PM PST · 15 of 31
    Brian Kopp DPM to Bigg Red
    I am more disturbed by statements like:

    Wealthy nations consume beyond their needs as thousands die daily from starvation.

    Why? Its true. Our biggest health crises here are all due to over-consumption, primarily of carbs, in one form or another.

    I've been on mission trips to Haiti, just 2 hours flight from our shores, and I've seen starving babies there. Even our "poor" here live like kings and queens compared to many in third world countries.

  • Trumpets of Warning! — Part III

    11/08/2014 3:50:47 PM PST · 12 of 31
    Brian Kopp DPM to Salvation

    http://www.markmallett.com/blog/the-spirit-of-suspicion

    http://www.markmallett.com/blog/the-testing/

    I’m sure he means well but his attacks could equally apply to Cardinal Burke.

  • Trumpets of Warning! — Part III

    11/08/2014 12:37:07 PM PST · 6 of 31
    Brian Kopp DPM to Salvation

    I’m sure Mark means well, but he promotes Medjugorje and is accusatory towards those who question Pope Francis’ words/actions/agenda. Therefore I have to take much of his stuff with a big grain or salt.

  • Pope Names New ‘Foreign Minister,’ Prefect of Apostolic Signatura; Cardinal Burke Given New Position

    11/08/2014 8:28:38 AM PST · 11 of 28
    Brian Kopp DPM to SumProVita

    Yes, God can and does bring good even out of evil. But let’s be honest. This demotion is a very bad development for the Church.

  • Who Will Rescue the Lost Sheep of the Lonely Revolution?

    11/06/2014 7:26:48 PM PST · 3 of 12
    Brian Kopp DPM to ebb tide

    Incredible essay, this is a MUST READ.

    Thanks for posting.

  • Bishop Athanasius Schneider: Against Pharisees

    11/05/2014 6:36:22 PM PST · 5 of 8
    Brian Kopp DPM to ebb tide

    God Bless and Protect him.

  • In These Dark Days, the Church Needs Her Men to be Men

    11/03/2014 6:39:28 AM PST · 10 of 13
    Brian Kopp DPM to hiho hiho

    Great article, great video at the end too at the archdiocese site.

  • Cardinal [Burke] Forbidden To Say [old-rite] Mass [in Austria]

    11/02/2014 5:57:11 PM PST · 3 of 30
    Brian Kopp DPM to ebb tide
    The lesson of Thrasybulus

    As I contemplate certain things going on in the Church right now, I am reminded of Thrasybulus of Miletus.

    The story of Thrasybulus is in Book V of Herodotus’ Histories.  A messenger from Periander, a 7th c. BC tyrant of Corinth, asks Thrasybulus, tyrant of Miletus, for advice on how to govern.   Thrasybulus doesn’t immediately respond.  Instead he leads the messenger into a field.  Then, drawing his sword,  he slashes the tallest ears of wheat off their stalks.  The message: eliminate potential threats to your absolute rule by preemptively cutting down any men who are prominent enough to raise a challenge.

    If anyone sticks his head up, chop it off.

    Eliminate excellence by all necessary means and with extreme prejudice.

  • Cardinal Raymond Burke: Not one to back down when it comes to Church teaching

    11/02/2014 1:21:07 PM PST · 3 of 3
    Brian Kopp DPM to NKP_Vet
    The soon-to-be “former Prefect of the Sacred Tribunal of the Apostolic Signatura,” Cardinal Raymond Burke

    The lesson of Thrasybulus

    As I contemplate certain things going on in the Church right now, I am reminded of Thrasybulus of Miletus.

    The story of Thrasybulus is in Book V of Herodotus’ Histories.  A messenger from Periander, a 7th c. BC tyrant of Corinth, asks Thrasybulus, tyrant of Miletus, for advice on how to govern.   Thrasybulus doesn’t immediately respond.  Instead he leads the messenger into a field.  Then, drawing his sword,  he slashes the tallest ears of wheat off their stalks.  The message: eliminate potential threats to your absolute rule by preemptively cutting down any men who are prominent enough to raise a challenge.

    If anyone sticks his head up, chop it off.

    Eliminate excellence by all necessary means and with extreme prejudice.

  • Cardinal says church under Pope Francis is a ‘rudderless ship’

    10/31/2014 6:06:58 PM PDT · 44 of 54
    Brian Kopp DPM to Mrs. Don-o; ebb tide
    He can deliver a coup de grace after Kasper has fully exposed himself --- which Kasper is clearly proud and incautious enough to do.

    Balderdash!

    JPII and BXVI silenced Kasper's heresies decades ago. They were suppressed and irrelevant, until this pope reintroduced them via Kasper.

    Don't you realize how much it destroys the credibility of our Catholic witness to continue to promote this false hope, that this pope is just flushing out the liberals so he can remove them?

    There is no credible evidence whatsoever, none, zip, zilch, nada, that what's going on here is anything other than the promotion of heterodoxy by this pope through the use of proxies to maintain plausible deniability, and keep the gullible on his side long enough that it becomes a fait accompli.

    Why Would All These People Lie About Pope Francis?

     

    In the presence of God and of Christ Jesus, who is to judge the living and the dead, and in view of his appearing and his kingdom, I solemnly urge you: proclaim the message; be persistent whether the time is favorable or unfavorable; convince, rebuke, and encourage, with the utmost patience in teaching. For the time is coming when people will not put up with sound doctrine, but having itching ears, they will accumulate for themselves teachers to suit their own desires, and will turn away from listening to the truth and wander away to myths. As for you, always be sober, endure suffering, do the work of an evangelist, carry out your ministry fully.

    – 2 Timothy 4:1-5

     

    Pope Francis

     

    Another day, another off-the-record papal conversation. This time, the person in question is a woman by the name of Marie Kane, who was was a victim of clerical sexual abuse in Ireland.

    ONE of the two Irish survivors of abuse who met Pope Francis this morning in the Vatican has described the meeting as a “huge vindication” for her.

    Marie Kane, who has never spoken publicly about the abuse she suffered at the hands a curate in the archdiocese of Dublin, told the Irish Independent that the meeting with the Pope would help bring her healing.

    “It was pretty amazing. There were no time constraints on the meeting and the only others in the room were Marie Collins, who came as a support to me and [Cardinal] Sean O’Malley who acted as translator,” she said.

    In all six survivors of abuse, two from Ireland, two from Britain and two from Germany met the Pope individually this morning, the first official meeting the pontiff has held since his election in March 2013. The other Irish survivor was a man. His identity remains unclear at the moment.

    According to Marie Kane, the Pope “listened intently” to her and “at times seemed frustrated by what he was hearing” about her experiences. Her case was covered in the Murphy Report into the mishandling of allegations of clerical abuse in the archdiocese of Dublin. Her abuser was taken out of ministry but has not been defrocked.

     

    All of this seems reasonable, even promising.

    But then came Miss Kane’s radio interview, in which she recounted her experience, and her meeting with Pope Francis (excerpts transcribed by me):

    “I think I’ve been angry my whole life at the Catholic Church. I, you know, I could never sit in a Mass without feeling anger…” [...]

    “From meeting all the survivors and listening to their stories, and, they’re all unique stories, but the effects and the damage is the same. And it’s the loss of faith. You know? We all want something to hang onto in these really difficult times. And, you know, I have two children, 18 and 14, and, their faith has been affected. You know? So, I have my own beliefs, I…I’m a good person. I help a lot of people. And, you know, I think, but it has definitely, it there, there’s no replacing what was taken, you know, even for my kids. And these…these are the kids that are coming up now, and the Church will disappear if something doesn’t change.” [...]

    “I prayed for change, change in the Church. Um, maybe that’s very naïve of me, I don’t know. But when you’re sitting there and in a very small chapel and the homily was written in English so you could read what he was saying, because [the pope] speaks Spanish, so, it was very moving for me personally, and, yeah, change. That’s…you know, just, do more. Get these guys out of power that shouldn’t be there. That are guilty of coverup. And who covered up in my case as well. And they know who they are, like, you know? So yeah. Change. Change. I’ll never get my faith back. I don’t think I’ll ever go back to the church. And actually the pope, I said that to him. And he said, ‘You know you don’t need, you don’t need to be in the Church, you are part of the Church, you don’t physically need to be in it, inside it you know to be part of God’s family like.’ So, little messages like that were really nice, you know. He put thought into what he said to me today. It wasn’t just answers off the cuff. So a very positive experience, for me.”

     

    I was with her, right up until she recounted what the pope said.

    “You don’t need…to be in the Church, you are part of the Church, you don’t physically need to be in it, inside it you know to be part of God’s family…”

    Let’s all open our Catechisms, shall we? Paragraph 2041-2042 :

    2041 The precepts of the Church are set in the context of a moral life bound to and nourished by liturgical life. The obligatory character of these positive laws decreed by the pastoral authorities is meant to guarantee to the faithful the very necessary minimum in the spirit of prayer and moral effort, in the growth in love of God and neighbor:

    2042 The first precept (“You shall attend Mass on Sundays and holy days of obligation and rest from servile labor”) requires the faithful to sanctify the day commemorating the Resurrection of the Lord as well as the principal liturgical feasts honoring the mysteries of the Lord, the Blessed Virgin Mary, and the saints; in the first place, by participating in the Eucharistic celebration, in which the Christian community is gathered, and by resting from those works and activities which could impede such a sanctification of these days.

     

    While one can certainly understand the desire of a clericial abuse victim to avoid Catholic clergy and the Mass, it’s difficult to understand how cutting a person off from the sacramental life would in any way facilitate healing or salvation.

    More troubling is the formula the pope is alleged to have used in assessing the situation: “You don’t need to be in the Church” to be “part of the Church.”

    Are we ready for the well-trod quote? We are? Good:

    The Most Holy Roman Church firmly believes, professes and preaches that none of those existing outside the Catholic Church, not only pagans, but also Jews, and heretics, and schismatics, can ever be partakers of eternal life, but that they are to go into the eternal fire “which was prepared for the devil, and his angels,” (Mt. 25:41) unless before death they are joined with Her; and that so important is the unity of this Ecclesiastical Body, that only those remaining within this unity can profit from the sacraments of the Church unto salvation, and that they alone can receive an eternal recompense for their fasts, almsdeeds, and other works of Christian piety and duties of a Christian soldier. No one, let his almsgiving be as great as it may, no one, even if he pour out his blood for the Name of Christ, can be saved unless they abide within the bosom and unity of the Catholic Church.

    (Pope Eugene IV, the Bull Cantate Domino, 1441 – Emphasis Mine)

     

    It’s a tough quote. And yes, there’s been some development of doctrine since the 1400s. We believe that there’s something to the “Baptism of Desire” — though nobody who loves souls would ever want to count on that. We need the sacraments for heaven like a man in the desert dying of thirst needs water. Do men in the desert sometimes, against all odds, survive sunstroke and dehydration? Yes. Would you care to take a crack at that experience on the off-chance that you’ll be the outlier?

    Yeah. I thought not.

    We all need sanctifying grace to get to heaven. Sanctifying grace grows in the soul by means of sacramental reception. So the sacraments are really, as far as anyone knows, completely non-negotiable. If God chooses to work outside their efficacy, how He does that is his prerogative, and frankly, a complete mystery. I sometimes have a hard time believing even with them, I’ll squeak in the door of heaven. I can’t imagine trying to get there without them.

    So why would a sovereign pontiff of the Roman Catholic Church tell anyone — anyone – that they don’t need to be in the Church to be saved?

    Some are arguing that this is, once again, a woman who is recounting what the pope said from memory, and that it is therefore not trustworthy. One person offered this hypothesis, “Maybe a pissed off woman that was was sexually abused saw an opportunity for payback and took it?” (To this person’s credit, they later admitted it was a stretch.)

    But let’s imagine that this was the case. We’d have have to add Miss Kane to the growing list of vengeful “liars” all saying that the pope told them the same thing. Also, they’d have to want to “get back at the pope” by only ticking off the small segment of Catholics who care if the pope says something so…Catholic. Because most Catholics these days, if we’re being honest, would think such a statement was positively fantastic, demonstrative of “mercy”, and even more, a sure sign of progress within the stodgy old Church.

    And there really are a solid handful of these folks out there. People we’re supposed to believe are just making things up to make the pope look bad to a small handful of true believers, and awesome to everyone else.

    Let’s have a look at the statements from those who have said what Pope Francis has told them:

    1. “When he speaks about evangelization, the idea is to evangelize Christians or Catholics,”to reach “higher dimensions of faith” and a deepened commitment to social justice, Skorka said. “This is the idea of evangelization that Bergoglio is stressing — not to evangelize Jews. This he told me, on several opportunities.”

    Rabbi Abraham Skorka, rector of the Seminario Rabinico Latinoamericano in Buenos Aires and close personal friend of Pope Francis

     

    2. “Bp Venables added that in a conversation with Cardinal Bergoglio, now Pope Francis, the latter made it clear that he values the place of Anglicans in the Church universal.

    ‘He called me to have breakfast with him one morning and told me very clearly that the Ordinariate was quite unnecessary and that the Church needs us as Anglicans.’”

    Rt. Rev. Greg Venables, Anglican Bishop of Argentina and close personal friend of Pope Francis

     

    3. “And here I am. The Pope comes in and shakes my hand, and we sit down. The Pope smiles and says: ‘Some of my colleagues who know you told me that you will try to convert me.’

    It’s a joke, I tell him. My friends think it is you want to convert me.

    He smiles again and replies: ‘Proselytism is solemn nonsense, it makes no sense. We need to get to know each other, listen to each other and improve our knowledge of the world around us. Sometimes after a meeting I want to arrange another one because new ideas are born and I discover new needs. This is important: to get to know people, listen, expand the circle of ideas. The world is crisscrossed by roads that come closer together and move apart, but the important thing is that they lead towards the Good.’ ”

    Eugenio Scalfari, Atheist founder of La Repubblica (and grantee of three papal interviews despite his habit of reporting quotes without taking notes)

     

    4. “At lunch I asked Pope Francis what his heart was for evangelism. He smiled, knowing what was behind my question and comment was, ‘I’m not interested in converting Evangelicals to Catholicism. I want people to find Jesus in their own community. There are so many doctrines we will never agree on. Let’s be about showing the love of Jesus.’ ” (Of course Evangelicals do evangelize Catholics and Catholics do the same to us. However, that discussion we will raise another day.)

    Brian C. Stiller, Global Ambassador, World Evangelical Alliance

     

    And finally, though not specifically related to membership in the Church, this anecdote, which relates to following her most fundamental teachings:

    5. Pope Francis called an Argentine woman married to a divorced man and reportedly told her that she could receive the sacrament of Communion, according to the woman’s husband, in an apparent contradiction of Catholic law.

    Julio Sabetta, from San Lorenzo in the Pope’s home country, said his wife, Jacqueline Sabetta Lisbona, spoke with Francis on Monday.

    Jacqueline Sabetta Lisbona wrote to the pontiff in September to ask for clarification on the Communion issue, according to her husband, who said his divorced status had prevented her from receiving the sacrament.

    “She spoke with the Pope, and he said she was absolved of all sins and she could go and get the Holy Communion because she was not doing anything wrong,” Sabetta told Channel 3 Rosario, a CNN affiliate.

    A Vatican spokesman confirmed the telephone call but would not comment on the conversation’s content.

    Source

    Let’s not forget that one of the pope’s closest advisors, whose theology the pope has said he greatly admires, is Cardinal Walter Kasper, who has (in)famously said:

    The only thing I wish to say is that the document Dominus Iesus does not state that everybody needs to become a Catholic in order to be saved by God. On the contrary, it declares that God’s grace, which is the grace of Jesus Christ according to our faith, is available to all. Therefore, the Church believes that Judaism, i.e. the faithful response of the Jewish people to God’s irrevocable covenant, is salvific for them, because God is faithful to his promises.

    This touches the problem of mission towards Jews, a painful question with regard to forced conversion in the past. Dominus Iesus, as other official documents, raised this question again saying that dialogue is a part of evangelisation.This stirred Jewish suspicion. But this is a language problem, since the term evangelisation, in official Church documents, cannot be understood in the same way it is commonly interpreted in everyday’s speech. In strict theological language, evangelisation is a very complex and overall term, and reality. It implies presence and witness, prayer and liturgy, proclamation and catechesis, dialogue and social work . . . which do not have the goal of increasing the number of Catholics. Thus evangelisation, if understood in its proper and theological meaning, does not imply any attempt of proselytism whatsoever.”

    Source

     

    In light of the above, I propose five very serious questions for your consideration:

    1. Why should this pattern of indirectly attributed quotes, all of a piece, not be taken as a serious indication that Pope Francis sincerely believes that membership in the Church and the following of her precepts is not necessary for salvation?
    2. Why should we feel compelled to believe that in every case where we hear that Pope Francis has told a person something along these lines — each report entirely consistent with the last — that the person making the claim is a liar with some personal agenda, and they should neither be believed nor trusted?
    3. What would it possibly gain anyone to tell lies which, while they throw the pope’s orthodoxy into question, do nothing but endear him to the secular world, the leaders of non-Catholic religions, and the majority of Catholics who no longer profess all of the Church’s teachings?
    4. Why, if these attributions are in fact scandalously erroneous misrepresentations of the Pope’s thought, and spread as they have been by the global media, is no effort made by the Vatican to correct or refute them, or to exhort Catholics to accept and profess the Church’s true teaching on these matters?
    5. If what has been said truly represents the mind of Pope Francis, how can this be reconciled with the doctrine of Extra Ecclesiam Nulla Salus, as defined by Pope Boniface VIII in Unam Sanctam and held as an indisputable and infallible teaching of the Church until the latter half of the 20th century?

     

    I think the answers to these questions, taken together, provide a rather obvious conclusion. Don’t you?

    There is simply not a shred of evidence that Pope Francis wants to disabuse people of the notion that he both believes and said these things. And if that is so, what a heartbreaking situation we find ourselves in.

    We shouldn’t be surprised that what St. Paul prophesied in 2 Timothy is, in fact, coming to pass. But if you’re like me, it’s more than a little surprising to see it coming from the Vicar of Christ.

    We need to batten down the hatches and dig in for a long haul. This isn’t going away, and talking about the latest shocking thing the pope has done is reaching a point of diminishing returns. We need to keep our eyes on the goal of eternal salvation, and focus on building a foundation that will withstand where this is all taking us.

    In the next few days, I plan to announce a project I’m working on that is aimed at helping us to do just that. Your prayers for the success of this endeavor would be appreciated.

     

    UPDATE – 7/19/2014 @ 5:48PM: Friend of the blog Codgitator submits another quote for our reference in the comments.

    “I’m not expecting any of you to join the Catholic Church. Please understand that’s not what this is about. What we are talking about is a unified position to go before the world and say we are proclaiming Christ as the only hope of salvation.”

    The quote is taken from this video. I’ve set it to play at the relevant timestamp:

    The video is from John and Carol Arnott, who are (according to their website) “the Founding Pastors and Presidents of Catch The Fire (formerly known as the Toronto Airport Christian Fellowship) and overseers of the Partners in Harvest Network of Churches.

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  • Cardinal says church under Pope Francis is a ‘rudderless ship’

    10/31/2014 5:45:30 PM PDT · 41 of 54
    Brian Kopp DPM to ebb tide
    Otherwise, why has Papa Tango removed Burke from two major positions?

    Correction, three positions:

    1) Apostolic Signatura
    2) Congregation for Bishops
    3) Congregation for the Causes of Saints

    A Pope easily can't get away with elevating dubious causes of saints to the Altars with a real canonist in the third congregation.

  • Pope solemnly defines evolution as article of the faith (Note: this is satire)

    10/29/2014 6:50:42 PM PDT · 17 of 21
    Brian Kopp DPM to Zionist Conspirator
    My opinion is that "intelligent design" is nothing but "theistic evolution" with a signature.

    I disagree. Someday, God Willing, we will both KNOW.

  • Pope solemnly defines evolution as article of the faith (Note: this is satire)

    10/29/2014 6:26:39 PM PDT · 15 of 21
    Brian Kopp DPM to Zionist Conspirator
    Personally I prefer Intelligent Design over both strict Creationism and atheistic evolution. We can compare notes on the other side and ask The Creator the Truth of the matter. Until then we will all continue to see as through a glass, darkly; but then we will KNOW.

    Personally, I think Pope Francis recent words on evolution and the Big Bang (and his actions via the recent Synod, which he personally engineered and micromanaged) stand condemned by many Popes who came before him, but then, "Who am I to judge?"

    October 29, 2014

    Pius XII On Those Who Put Faith In Evolution, Like Materialists And Communists Do



    By Frank Walker
    Pewsitter.com


     

    Nate Anderson at ars Technica science site reported on Pope Francis' words on creation, the Big Bang, and evolution theory.

    Though only a few paragraphs long (and currently available only in Italian; the translation below is unofficial), Francis's remarks focused largely on evolution—still a controversial doctrine in parts of the worldwide Christian church.

    "When we read in Genesis the account of Creation, we are in danger of imagining that God was a magician, complete with a magic wand capable of doing anything," Francis said. "But he was not. He created beings and let them develop in accordance with the internal laws that He has given to each one."

    The writer goes on to note Pope Pius XII’s warning of on the value that materialists and atheists find in evolutionary theories.

    The Catholic church has long been open to evolution, though always stressing its belief that God is the ultimate power behind the universe and its unfolding story.

    In 1950, Pope Pius XII wrote about evolution in Humani Generis, saying that "Communists gladly subscribe to this opinion so that, when the souls of men have been deprived of every idea of a personal God, they may the more efficaciously defend and propagate their dialectical materialism."

    For Pius XII, however, evolution was only a possibility that was yet unproven, and so he went on to rail against those who "act as if the origin of the human body from pre-existing and living matter were already completely certain and proved by the facts which have been discovered up to now and by reasoning on those facts, and as if there were nothing in the sources of divine revelation which demands the greatest moderation and caution in this question."

    Modern advances in biological science, the fossil record, and technology which reveal the complexity of living organisms, cast many doubts upon 19th century theories of random natural selection. They point rather to an intelligent origin for living things and make the warning of Pope Pius even more relevant.

  • Pope solemnly defines evolution as article of the faith (Note: this is satire)

    10/29/2014 5:58:05 PM PDT · 13 of 21
    Brian Kopp DPM to Zionist Conspirator

    Glad you noticed the turn of phrase. But this is posted in Chat, so why bring the RM into it? The Religion Forum doesn’t like potty talk but I was not aware such was verboten in Chat.

    And when you pinged Alex, was that a Freudian slip, because it looks like you were trying to ping the RM.

    Oops, I mentioned Alex in my post. Maybe I should have pinged Alex too.

    Nah.