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That’s precious!

A liberal Republican strengthens leftism in BOTH parties, whereas a liberal Democrat strengthens leftism in only the Democrat party. I should know because I voted for liberal Republicans for more than 30 years, and you can blame ME for how we got here because I voted for it. If you voted for Romney, then you voted for aiding leftism from the Republican party. You had better ONLY blame leftism for why Romney lost. Otherwise, you are lying to yourself.

You who voted for Romney voted for the greater of two evils.

Wow. A lot of them -- dozens if not hundreds -- have left quietly, FReepers I respected and followed for years. I come here to find out what they've been saying ... and they haven't posted here for weeks or months, or else now post only rarely when they used to post a lot.

They have left quietly, and you don't even miss them.

What's really sad is that at least one of them wept and prayed for your comfort, Onyx, when you were experiencing grief and pain -- only now to know that you don't miss her and are glad she went "quietly."

For shame.

Wow. A lot of them -- dozens if not hundreds -- have left quietly, FReepers I respected and followed for years. I come here to find out what they've been saying ... and they haven't posted here for weeks or months, or else now post only rarely when they used to post a lot.

They have left quietly, and you don't even miss them.

What's really sad is that at least one of them wept and prayed for your comfort, Onyx, when you were experiencing grief and pain -- only now to know that you don't miss her and are glad she went "quietly."

For shame.

When Americans elect a liberal Democrat, it strengthens liberalism in the Democrat party.

When Americans elect a liberal Republican, it strengthens liberalism in BOTH parties. Every time.

Whatever justification you choose for voting for a liberal Republican in order to honor your dad who like mine sacrificed a lot so that we could vote -- remember that you will be voting FOR strengthening leftism in both parties, regardless of how you justify it.

You mean like Cruz supporters forgetting Ted Cruz dishonestly campaigned with Amnesty Ryan to enable Obama's secret trade agenda?

Don't you just love those leftist talking points -- what would you do without them!! And you're a Republican, aren't you!! My how the party has evolved!

Lodi, you are willing to vote for leftism. That you refuse to admit it is beside the point. You call yourself a "conservative" because you are SELF DECEIVING. You are also contemptible, IMO.

Marron, there will be no "reuniting" with the likes of Lodi. There will only be incidences of the likes of Lodi fooling conservatives again .. and again ... and again ... and again, every time a leftist "conservative" steps up to face a true conservative and the likes of Lodi say, "Hey, let's try this guy!" instead of saying, "He belongs in the other party, ignore him."

Marron and fellow conservatives, it's time to move on and cut your losses. "Conservatives" ala Lodi are not only frauds (intentionally or not, they are still frauds), they are DANGEROUS LIABILTIES to conservatism.

"Reuniting" after all of this is over is the dream of a little girl who wants a pony.

Understanding that some fellow patriots will betray anything -- themselves and their liberty -- in order to cling to a happy self-deception and that when it happens the only thing to do is to move on and leave them where they do the least harm, is the living reality of a mature adult who respects truth and life.

Remember, we still have to be able to unite after the circular firing squad is over.

Really! You are expecting wisdom to unite with self-deception and stupidity?

"Unite" is the wrong word, marron.

"Regain lost trust" is the phrase you're looking for.

Elephants have long memories. After it's all over, "conservative" Trump supporters are going to have a very, very long row to hoe before they regain the trust, respect, or confidence of the conservatives whom they had fooled for YEARS -- up until only a few months ago.

You are very badly mistaken if you think the remedy for such profound betrayal of moral principle is a simple reuniting of people registered in the same political party that fails to respect the difference between left and right.

Amen, and thank you.

Dear Finny, Someone sent me a copy of your post from "over there."

This one?

" ... a willingness to alienate loyal donating FReepers is puzzling. For a guy like Trump, it would be a small investment reaping RICH returns by funding FR. However, I take Jim Robinson at face value that he is a true conservative. So I wonder -- why doesn't he see that by censoring those who civilly (if passionately and even angrily) express a particular conservative opinion in a discussion, he removes the thing that makes FR attractive? People aren't going to donate to something that lets them down.

"The only way FR remains a genuine forum for conservatives to express opinion freely, is to adhere to the policy of ONLY censoring folks for profanity or personal attack devoid of issue relevance; zotting folks expressing leftist opinions or candidates, fine, but on FR, zotting conservatives for expressing civilly expressed if unpopular conservative opinion is killing the golden goose. A beautiful, complex, easy-to-navigate, efficient cyber community that is falling apart at the seams. It can be mended still.

"But it would be just like Trump to use his money to kill a golden goose like FR in order to win."

Sincerely, Jim, thanks for such a great place for so long.

Jim, thanks for the reply. Yes, you are right, it is NOT about you.

For most of us here, Free Republic is about one thing, and one thing only:

Free exchange of conservative political opinion.

When FR ceases to become that, FR ceases to become attractive or useful.

I can't resist bumping this in total:

That's right....but I think Trump surpasses Obama quite a bit because he hasn't learned 'the skill set' Narcissists need to control the impulses we see playing out by Trump. Obama hides his well enough in public.....but Trump can't. Trump's a wonderful study of a Narcissist without a strong skill set and in full view of the audience, giving the Psychological Community front row seats which they're fabulously enjoying the study of. ......You generally don't have such an opportunity because most don't do well in therapy sessions because they need to control that environment as well....let alone see they have issues. Many successful business men are Narcissist or have some of their traits....but they have taken advice from their mentors or friends who are either stronger then they are or more stable because they use a skill set.

It's all about protecting their fragile ego and shoring it up when their inner emotions get to rocking and rolling.....and that happens when they are afraid of loosing or even the smell of the possibility. Which we're watching play out currently with Trumps actions and his responses regarding the debate.

Interesting is Cruz is using the word..."Afraid" when speaking about Trump.... he's quite aware of who he is dealing with and why he won't clobber Trump....rather he invites him one on one.....an escape....but Cruz is not one he wants to go up against and as that possibility draws closer Trump gets more afraid.....

According to a snapshot in time of 1,207 FReepers who've participated in discussions over the past six or seven weeks, almost 54% (648) either name Trump as an okay second choice, a distant second they'd hold their noses for, or out of the question entirely. A bit over 46% (559) prefer Trump.

A minority that is, 46%, want Trump.

At least, the ones who participated when it was still relatively tolerable to do so if you also happened to do something silly, like perceive and share the idea that Trump's "brand" of "brilliant business mind" (the thing his supporters are supposedly voting for, in essence) is BS -- he's third-rate with the real big boys at the same RE mogul game who are worth as much as four times what the Great Donald is.

Trump is the ONLY one among them who deliberately made himself a celebrity everyone recognizes. That's all. FReepers are smart, there's a reason they come here -- a majority of them at best would have Trump as their second choice, a good number put him out of the question.

Yet I would bet hard, cold cash that lurker who came to this site just to see what's up at FR, take a pulse, get the tone -- would read through a couple of threads and assume that Trump is wildly popular with the majority of conservatives and conservatives who reject him are so few that they don't even show up.

But the reality is ... the Trumpers are the minority, about 46%.

I moved three names from the non-Trump tally to the Trump tally because although these FReepers declare they prefer Cruz, the tone of their posts sure sounds the opposite. The tally is to find truth, not to advance an agenda. I want to know what real people are actually thinking, so I put them on the tally that I bet a casual reader would, as well.

Such a tally is pointless now because the golden goose slayer Donald Trump has destroyed FR, it appears to me. Romney almost finished it off in 2012, I suppose ... I don't know, but I bet everyone here was stunned when Romney lost -- no wonder they're so angry. They assumed that the people they had made this place a turn-off for, didn't exist. But they did, and they did what they said they'd do right here -- screw voting for a leftist, I don't care what party he's in.

They warned anyone paying attention going up to the election, and the same types are sounding warnings now, and it's just the primary. Trump will be in the race regardless because he'll run third party if he doesn't get the nomination.

Man. And I thought it couldn't get any worse than Romney.

Where does this Trump hate come from?

Are you sure you're not mistaking hate for anger?

I'll tell you where the anger comes from -- it's because Trump has a long history of being a moderate leftist and a whole lotta people who should know better are happier than hell about voting for this leftist self-promoting showoff celebrity. That would be bad enough any time, but now -- when we have Ted Cruz as an option, no less!!

That ticks me off.

I think folks in favour of Trump need to realize he’s not pro small government.

I thought so myself but am now suspecting that folks in favor of Trump realize perfectly well that he is pro moderate-big government, and they are, too -- it's just that they want the big government done their way.

Hey, folks, do you know what it means when someone says "I voted against" something?

It means they don't want to be accountable for what they actually voted FOR.

What if you admit that you stopped beating your wife?

And really don't offer more than criticizing the posters. Could you at least offer some substance that we can exchange views or comments on rather than having it look like it's just a hit???

Caww, JSC responds that way because it's all he's got. Kinda like when Trump attacks from the left as the conservatives who support him cringe and wonder why their favorite candidate does it but they support him anyway confident that he's just kidding them, that he's really got more -- but in fact, he'll just confirm what his own words and those of his most ardent supporters indicate: it's all he's got, and all he'll ever have.

Folks, vote for him at your own risk. You WILL be accountable for the results.

If Trump is nominated, his supporters will get exactly the candidate they deserve.

Kaslin -- if Trump loses, those folks here (a minority though they post frequently and aggressively enough, including in brief daily caucuses here, to appear otherwise) will REFUSE to be accountable for insisting on a candidate that so many here WARNED them would be rejected.

What if Trump loses Iowa?

What if Trump loses the General just like Romney did?

Who will have been the proud "loser" then, too proud to admit that their favorite candidate was just a little too stinky for too many Republicans and conservatives who nowadays insist on being accountable for what they vote for, instead of pretending to vote "against"?

What if Trump loses for ALL conservatives because the Republican party got mad instead of smart?

WELL SAID.

I honestly think Trump is The Terminator part deaux...

{^) Good comparison!