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Thank you for the kind words Minister. I am certain that you speak for those of your ilk : )

And you're not Gary, twerp.

No I am not. I am LeGrande. Do you need to adjust your meds?

Hmm, what do you need as proof that I am an Atheist? I am.

As for the zotting, how many deleted posts do you need as evidence?

My second amendment right. Utah is an open carry State and I don't meet strange, (and I do mean strange) men without either a chaperone or a defender. Ping to Jim because this Freeper is accusing me of threatening to murder him. I think something should be done about it.

You think something should be done about what? Your imagination that I accused you threatening to murder me? LOL

This is a perfect example of the anti Mormon Cabalists methods.

They were zotted because you and your cabal members went screaming and crying to the mods just like you did now.

Isn't that your purpose in pinging JR, to get me zotted? Actions speak much louder than words.

... so I was responding to you.

Are you a little confused?

Lets just watch and see what happens right now : ) ColorCountry, Elsie, Reaganaut, etc. have pinged the JR, the religion Moderator and the moderator. This might be informative to you.

Why are you running crying to the Religion Moderator Reaganaut? This thread is under politics. If you don't like getting called out when you lie then you shouldn't misrepresent the Mormons beliefs.

How long has it been since you were declared cured?

Sadly I am not cured. Everyday is an adventure discovering things that I thought were true but aren't. Luckily I am a little bit masochistic.

Maybe someday you too can open your eyes and see things as they really are Elsie : ) Walking around blind and deaf is a miserable way to exist.

Please, Reno whoever, stated that he was being sarcastic and in any case Reno was not a regular Mormon poster.

But I sympathize with Reno a little regarding the hatred of Mormons (and Atheists) around here, it is blatant and pervasive. As you might remember from my discussions with colorcountry and her insistence on bringing a gun when I offered to take her out to dinner and to discuss our issues in a more friendly setting.

So "Christians" do believe that Christ is physically sitting next to God the Father? And Mormons don't believe that?

You are very confused.

Spirit Children, we are all the spiritual children of God. Only Christ is the physical child of God. Christ is our spiritual Brother. This is basic Mormon doctrine that you don't seem to have a good handle on.

Question #2 [as an extension of my last post]: Do Mormons always play up the physical body ties between the earthly body of Jesus and Heavenly Father?

Always? Of course not, repetition gets very dull.

I take that to mean that when Christians use the phrase "Jesus Christ is the only begotten of the Father," they are talking about the relationship well before Mary's ancestors were on the earth. However, when Mormons use the same phrase, they are applying it ONLY to the bodily sonship of Jesus Christ established at his birth. Both say the same phrase; Mormons twist it differently. And they don't always spell out how they are twisting it differently, leaving Christians to conclude that they believe the same thing when they don't.

I guess so. When "Christians" say that Christ is sitting on the right hand of God they actually mean that Christ is sitting to the right of himself and that God likes talking to himself. And that God doesn't really have a physical body, ie the resurrection didn't really happen.

My take is "yes" they do -- and then "no" they don't. Lds "apostles" like Bruce McConkie -- and a few Lds "prophets" (like Brigham Young & Joseph Fielding Smith) have been "emphatic" in their comments on this. But guess what, LeGrande...the Mormon church hierarchy and the Mormon grassroots tend not to like to trot those names out with their quotes about the "literal...natural...paternity" of God the Father with Mary.

If you are talking about Mormons who have not gone through the Temple Ceremony and don't really know their religion (ignorant) then you may have a point. But anyone who knows anything about the Mormon religion knows this.

Below, LeGrande, constitutes a prime example of how Lds, Inc. plays down what they believe when they want to emphasize Jesus as the "Only begotten son."

"Jesus was the only person to be born of a mortal mother, Mary, and an immortal father, God the Father. That is why Jesus is called the Only Begotten Son of God. From His Father, He inherited divine powers (see John 10:17–18). From His mother, He inherited mortality and became subject to hunger, thirst, fatigue, pain, and death."

You call that playing it down? How could they be more explicit? Producing a porn video of the act? LOL

Colofornian I know you aren't this ignorant and you know that Mormonism believes the three Catholic Heresies. You are simply trying to get me to re affirm them, which I gladly do, but you don't have to lie to accomplish that.

Of course I am not a "Christian" I am an Atheist. Is there some part of the definition of Atheism that eludes you?

The point that you are missing is that Christ's physicality is central to Mormon Theology. That God the Father is literally Christ's Father, was almost the whole point to the restoration visions. One of the purposes Christ had when coming to earth was to obtain a body.

Anyone who claims that isn't a basic Mormon Belief is either totally ignorant or lying. Reaganaut can't claim ignorance, so she is lying. If you are trying to claim some knowledge of Mormon theology Colofornian you are also lying, if you are trying to imply that Mormons don't explicitly believe Christ has a body.

To Mormons it is self evident that Christ would sit at the side of God the Father. Just as you would sit at the side of your father. It would be incongruous to say that when I sit at the side of my father that I am actually a physical body, that is already understood.

I think this is the quote "Good question. There have been several here on FR that have lauded the massacre of Mormons & Gov. Boggs’ extermination order of Mormons in the 1800’s, saying it was justified. It’s a shame, but I’m quite certain there are some Christian Jahadists here applauding this guys actions. A VERY small minority for sure, but despicably vocal."

Applauding the actions is very different than accusing someone of murder. That is quite the twisting of facts isn't it? Typical of Anti Mormon slander around here.

That is it? The accusation that freepers here killed the Bishop? LOL

There is no direct scripture to that effect, just vague references. Same with the concept of a Mother in Heaven. Both are logical inferences, but not directly supported with scripture.

And where Reaganaut was drawing from.

You mean twisting the facts around to a lie?

The date in my tag line was once such time when one of the LDS accused us of murder.

Did colorcountry accuse one of you of Murder? She claims she is a Mormon when it suits her. What murder did one of you get accused of? This is actually interesting, I must have missed the fun.

A new low in the personal attacks that are the last bastion of defense since their own writings and "prophets" failed them.

I am sure you archived all of this, can you share?

Ah well the results are there for all to see.

Yes I would love to see them if you can provide a reference?

Or in your case attempt to twist and rewrite...

How can I twist and rewrite what I have never seen?

Did you have a vivid imagination as a child?

No problem. I don't proof my words either. At least not here.

Go back and look at what Reaganaut said, never once has she said the LDS hold the belief that Christ is not the son of god. Nor have I ever said it nor any other of those exposing the LDS here I have ever seen. It is a basic tenant of their doctrine.

What she claimed is that Mormons don't believe Christ is the "literal", "actual", "physical", "Only Begotten", Son of God. Mormons do.

In fact I agree with her, the LDS take it to an extreme that separates them from Christianity with the brother of Satan bit and the physical sex act between a flesh and bones god and Mary.

Reaganaut >> "Ahh, but what the Mormons leave out is they believe it literally. That text is used as ‘proof’ that God has a body of flesh and bones."

The lie that you are now participating in with Reaganaut is that Mormons leave out that they believe it literally, they don't. It is a fundamental Mormon tenet that Christ has a physical body. That Christ is the actual physical Son of God. They don't believe Christ and God the Father are the same exact being. They proudly proclaim it. Saying that Mormons don't believe and teach that is a lie.

Mormons were booted from FR for accusing Christians of being Nazis, accusing Christians of being complicit in murder, lying to the mods, threatening Christians in FReepmails, stalking Christians in FReepmail, etc.

I was there. I don't remember Mormons accusing Christians of being Nazi's or accusing Christians of being complicit in murder or lying to the Mods. I can't know about FReepmails, but I doubt it is true.

The moderators enforce JR's rules. If the mormons can't abide those rules, they're rightfully shown the door.

The problem was that the rules were selectively enforced against the Mormons. The anti's could say anything and the Mormons and I routinely got their posts deleted. What more needs to be said. Look at post 333 to see Jim Robinson being called in on me.

Well, I don't want to break up your pity party, but I didn't let the fact that I lost faith in mormonism squelch my faith. I kept on searching and found Christ. That's why I believe mormonism is death for the soul. It teaches that there is nothing else but mormonism, and when many mormons find out that mormonism is false, they lose all faith and hope.

Pity Party? The clinical term is projection. Cognitive dissonance gets worse the more you fight it : )

You know Reaganaut DID NOT say the LDS believe that Christ is the son of god. She was refereeing to the Physical aspects the LDS introduced.

"Reaganaut DID NOT say the LDS believe that Christ is the son of God." You are confused and ignorant. The LDS believe that Christ is the Son of God, literally, the only Begotten, etc. etc.

If Reaganaut was a Mormon as she claims then she is lying. It is a fundamental doctrine of the church. It is why Born Againers don't consider members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter day Saints to be "Christians".