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The problem is that you do not know who wrote that book!

The problem is that you do not know who wrote that book!

You are projecting much too much in what I said. I never said what you just stated.

My original statement is that you were quoting a book, words on a piece of paper not the Judge.

I keep things very simple. What God does is his business not mine and I have no ambitions to lecture people on what He may or may not be saying or doing.

After all if I start going into the God business then I am the God which defeats the whole purpose doesn’t it?

It’s pretty simple!

You quoted a book not the judge himself.

You quoted a book not the judge himself.

You quoted a book not the judge himself.

Aren’t you speaking for god if you are saying he won’t “forgive you?”

It seems that people need to stop invoking god every five minutes as if they know what he will or will not do. By definition god is god and it does not need mortals to caryy his water.

Yes! Those numbers were quoted by the Mexican government.

In the last four years, roughly 10,000 people have been killed on the US-Mexico border per year.

I am in close contact with some of the sheriff departments and they tell me it is horrific. A few months ago Sheriff Babeu of Pima County had to go begging for rifles for his officers because they did not have the fire power to defend themselves. He had to raise the money with donations and loaned rifles from gun manufacturers. This you can google quite easily and find. That is common knowledge.

There are also beheadings going on in Phoenix proper by the narco terrorists and Phoenix has not been dubbed the kidnap capital of the world for nothing. Sheriff Arpaio regularly raids human trafficking hideouts and uncovers dozens of people some already dead.

The information is not common knowledge because as soon as it appears in print it disappears. The crime on the border is horrific. It is also common knowledge that signs on Federal lands tell Americans not to go into park land because of drug traffic and it is unsafe. Hell Babeu has said that certain southern parts of Pima county have been abandonned to the drug traffickers because they do not have the man power to defend that part of the county.

You are making the point that I have not yet pointed out.

We simply do not know what Fuchida did for sure in excuting his orders and what atrocities he may have committed. Because of this uncertainty, he should not have been honored with US citizenship. That is all.

This is not about Fuchida though. It is about bestowing the honor of US citizenship on an individual who killed thousdands of people. Regardless of reasons that simply should not happen for anyone.

It is an honor to become a US citizen as I did. The majority of immigrants are very honored that the US would let them do this. That is what I meant.

If you do not view it as an honor America bestows on immigrants than that is where we have another disagreement. It is a very great honor to become a US citizen.

True many do not think it is especially some natural born US citizens or illegal immigrants. I saw the other day that someone on the White House staff viewed being here illegally as no worse that jay walking. This is how low things have sunk.

And, for the record:

“After World War II ended, Fuchida became an evangelist Christian preacher and frequently travelled to the United States to minister to the Japanese expatriate community. He became a United States citizen in 1966.[2]”

source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mitsuo_Fuchida

It took me 14 years to become a citizen of this country.

I had to have a green card and a sponsor before even stepping foot in this country. I had to wait for years before applying. I waited 5 years after applying for citizenship to be called by a Federal official. I was then fingerprinted and went through a thorough background check. Finally 14 years after ariving here I became a citizen.

It is a great system because it gave the Federal system the time to investigate who I was.

As long as any nationality goes through this process I have no problem with an individual becoming a citizen. Certainly I would have a big problem with someone killing thousands of people becoming a citizen. That should not happen.

Again the point here is one of distinction. Many people on this forum believe that someone who has killed thousands of people should become a citizen if they have the right reason or circumstances.

I am simply saying that regardless of circumstances or reasons no one should be rewarded with citizenship if they have killed thousands of people.

We simply have a clear cut disagreement.

I simply will not change my mind in this regard.

That is exactly my thought.

That is exactly my thought.

Forgiveness does not necessarily mean business as ususal.

My only point and it is very narrow in scope is that you simply do not reward someone with US citizenship who has killed thousdands of people regradless of reason or circumstance.

He probably had a very nice life prior to getting US citizenship. It is not like he was committed to a prison for decades and was suffering eternally.

A lot was forgiven. It is clear that a lot of people are ok granting citizenship to someone whi has killed thousdands of people. The point is understood.

I simply do not agree on this point. That does not mean I lose sleep over this. I do not need to forgive this guy. That is not my job.

I simply draw the line when someone wants to be a citizen who has killed thousands of Americans. That should not happen.

Forgiveness does not necessarily mean business as ususal.

My only point and it is very narrow in scope is that you simply do not reward someone with US citizenship who has killed thousdands of people regradless of reason or circumstance.

He probably had a very nice life prior to getting US citizenship. It is not like he was committed to a prison for decades and was suffering eternally.

A lot was forgiven. It is clear that a lot of people are ok granting citizenship to someone whi has killed thousdands of people. The point is understood.

I simply do not agree on this point. That does not mean I lose sleep over this. I do not need to forgive this guy. That is not my job.

I simply draw the line when someone wants to be a citizen who has killed thousands of Americans. That should not happen.

Forgiveness does not necessarily mean business as ususal.

My only point and it is very narrow in scope is that you simply do not reward someone with US citizenship who has killed thousdands of people regradless of reason or circumstance.

He probably had a very nice life prior to getting US citizenship. It is not like he was committed to a prison for decades and was suffering eternally.

A lot was forgiven. It is clear that a lot of people are ok granting citizenship to someone whi has killed thousdands of people. The point is understood.

I simply do not agree on this point. That does not mean I lose sleep over this. I do not need to forgive this guy. That is not my job.

I simply draw the line when someone wants to be a citizen who has killed thousands of Americans. That should not happen.

The US border issue is a bit different from this discussion, but I certainly do not agree with granting US citizenship to an illegal alien who has murdered people if that is what you are asking.

How many of those people were blessed with citizenship of the countries whose citizens they butchered?

Not many.

The point is clear though. Many on this forum are ok honoring somone who has killed thousands as long as he had the right reasons and circumstances and as part of that honor giving him US citizenship is ok.

In contrast, I draw the line at granting US citizenship. It should not be given to someone who has killed thousands of people regardless of reason or circumstance.

We simply have a difference in view point.

That is not the point.

The distinction I am making is that you do not reward someone with citizenship who has killed thousands of people regradless of reason.

I did not say he should have been eternally punished. Only when it came to US citizenship he should not have been rewarded when he killed thousdands of people regradless of reasons.

I understand your point. You are willing to forgive someone for killing thousands of people if they have the right reason and you are willing to honor them with US citizenship. I got it!

I understand the differences. I still will never change my mind.

I totally agree. Was Doolittle honored with Japanese citizenship? Was he honored with citizenship by any country whose thousands of citizens he killed? I don’t think so.

That is my only point. You simply do not honor someone for mass killings with citizernship. That is my only point.

I also understand that many on this blog are ok with giving someone citizenship who has killed thousands of people if that person has the right cincumstances and reasons.

I am not ok with this.