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He does not consider himself sinning.

(1Jo 1:10 NASB) If we say that we have not sinned, we make Him a liar and His word is not in us.

Gal 5:19-21 Now the deeds of the flesh are evident, which are: immorality, impurity, sensuality, (20) idolatry, sorcery, enmities, strife, jealousy, outbursts of anger, disputes, dissensions, factions, (21) envying, drunkenness, carousing, and things like these, of which I forewarn you, just as I have forewarned you, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God.

Mat 7:22-23 "Many will say to Me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name cast out demons, and in Your name perform many miracles?' (23) "And then I will declare to them, 'I never knew you; DEPART FROM ME, YOU WHO PRACTICE LAWLESSNESS.'

Some argue this last passage applies only to 'false teachers'. However, if Jesus denies knowing those who falsely prophesy in His name because Jesus knew they "inwardly are ravenous wolves" and they produce bad fruit and hence they are a bad tree to be cut down and thrown into the fire, how much less will Jesus know those who pretend to confess His name?

No truth, no fruit, no salvation. God knows the lies and will not be mocked, no matter how insistent the liar.

Jesus wants to forgive, but He can't forgive someone who lies about their not sinning.

Jesus is forgiving and loving, but He is neither blind nor stupid.

This date is not based on the Word of G-d.

It is based on Pagan tradition .

Agreed, there is no scriptural basis for a Dec 25th date. This is an aspect I'm still researching and refining. The birth year, however, is not affected nor the calculations.

Fyi, feel free to ping anyone who may have an interest.

Harmonization of the Passion Week Gospel Accounts

The following harmonizes the gospel accounts during Passion Week (the week Jesus Christ rode into Jerusalem through to His crucifixion and resurrection) and in so doing demonstrates:

• Jesus Christ observed the Essene Passover on Tuesday evening with His disciples in the upper room, 1 day before the Jews observed Passover on Wednesday evening, and;
• Jesus Christ was crucified on Wednesday, Nisan 14 3790 which is Passover Preparation day by Jewish reckoning (April 3, 30 AD by the Gregorian calendar or April 5, 30 AD by the Julian calendar), but not "Good Friday" as is commonly believed.

This harmony and reconciliation with calendar computations is only possible in AD 30, the year of Jesus Christ's crucifixion.

Jewish day and timekeeping.

Adam Clark's Commentary on Exodus 12:6

In the evening - beyn haarbayim, “between the two evenings.” The Jews divided the day into morning and evening: till the sun passed the meridian all was morning or fore-noon; after that, all was afternoon or evening. Their first evening began just after twelve o’clock, and continued till sunset; their second evening began at sunset and continued till night, i.e., during the whole time of twilight; between twelve o’clock, therefore, and the termination of twilight, the passover was to be offered.
“The day among the Jews had twelve hours, Joh_11:9. Their first hour was about six o’clock in the morning with us. Their sixth hour was our noon. Their ninth hour answered to our three o’clock in the afternoon. By this we may understand that the time in which Christ was crucified began at the third hour, that is, at nine o’clock in the morning, the ordinary time for the daily morning sacrifice, and ended at the ninth hour, that is, three o’clock in the afternoon, the time of the evening sacrifice, Mar_15:25, Mar_15:33, Mar_15:34, Mar_15:37. Wherefore their ninth hour was their hour of prayer, when they used to go into the temple at the daily evening sacrifice, Act_3:1; and this was the ordinary time for the passover. It is worthy of remark that God sets no particular hour for the killing of the passover: any time between the two evenings, i.e., between twelve o’clock in the day and the termination of twilight, was lawful. The daily sacrifice (see Exo_29:38, Exo_29:39) was killed at half past the eighth hour, that is, half an hour Before three in the afternoon; and it was offered up at half past the ninth hour, that is, half an hour After three. In the evening of the passover it was killed at half past the seventh hour, and offered at half past the eighth, that is, half an hour Before three: and if the evening of the passover fell on the evening of the Sabbath, it was killed at half past the Sixth hour, and offered at half past the Seventh, that is, half an hour Before two in the afternoon. The reason of this was, they were first obliged to kill the daily sacrifice, and then to kill and roast the paschal lamb, and also to rest the evening before the passover. Agreeably to this Maimonides says ‘the killing of the passover is after mid-day, and if they kill it before it is not lawful; and they do not kill it till after the daily evening sacrifice, and burning of incense: and after they have trimmed the lamps they begin to kill the paschal lambs until the end of the day.’ By this time of the day God foreshowed the sufferings of Christ in the evening of times or in the last days, Heb_1:2; 1Pe_1:19, 1Pe_1:20 : and about the same time of the day, when the paschal lamb ordinarily died, He died also, viz., at the ninth hour; Mat_27:46-50.” See Ainsworth.

	a single day of the week
	2nd evening		morning				1st evening
Sacred	1st hr	3rd hr	6th hr	9th hr	1st hr	3rd hr	6th hr	9th hr
Civil	6 pm	9 pm	12 midnight	3 am	6 am	9 am	12 midday	3 pm

Jewish Calendar and Feasts

Calendar has the following months and feasts:
 

Jewish Month	Length (days)	Jewish Feast	Gregorian Month
1 Nisan or Abib (1st month of sacred calendar)	30	Passover preparation (10th-14th), Passover & seder (14th evening into 15th) Feast of Unleavened Bread (15th-21st) First Fruits or Wavesheaf (1st Sunday after Passover)	March-April
2 Iyar	29	33rd Day of Omer(18th)	April-May
3 Sivan	30	Weeks or Shavuoth, Pentecost (Priests/Sadducean/Samaritan date varies - 50 days from wavesheaf Sunday, but always on Sunday;  Pharisaic/Hillel-II date fixed on 6th - 50 days from Passover High Sabbath, but weekday varies)	May-June
4 Tammuz	29		June-July
5 Av	30	Ninth of Av	July-August
6 Elul	29		August-September
7 Tishri (1st month of civil calendar)	30	Trumpets or Rosh HaShanah (head of the year) (1st of Tishri if not postponed) Day of Atonement or Yom Kippur (10th) Tabernacles or Succoth (15th-22nd)	September-October
8 Heshvan	29 or 30		October-November
9 Kislev	30 or 29	Chanukah (15th), for 8 days	November-December
10 Tevet	29		December-January
11 Shevat	30	T’u B’Shvat (15th)	January-February
12 Adar	29 30 in leap years	Purim (14th)	February-March
13 WeAdar or Adar II     (intercalary month added in year:     3, 6, 8, 11, 14, 17 and 19)	29		March-April

The period from Nisan 1 to Tishri 1 is always the same, 177 days (regardless of the type of year) which is 25 full weeks plus 2 days (175 = 25 x 7 + 2). This implies the period from Nisan 15 (Passover Sabaath) to Tishri 1 is also always the same, 163 days (163 = 177 - 14) or 23 full weeks plus 2 days.

The Pharisees had accused Christ of being a Samaritan (Jn. 8:48) because He denied their teachings and traditions. This denial included the Pharisaic traditions of when Holy Days were determined. Christ kept the Temple festivals which were based on the Sadducean and Samaritan system determined by the new moon (molod or conjunction), which was the original Temple system. The Pharisees (and their Holy Day determinations) were suppressed during the Temple period by Herod and earlier by Hyrcanus during the time of the Maccabees except for nine years under Alexandra when the Pharisees had influence. So, the Sadducees and their system (same as the Samaritan's) essentially had continual control of the Temple until its seizure in the final period and destruction in 70 AD.

Pentecost was kept on a Sunday during the Temple period by both the Temple priesthood and the Samaritans. FF. Bruce says (The Illustrated Bible Dictionary, J. D, Douglas & N. Hillyer, editors, IVP, 1980; art. Calendar, Vol. 1, p. 225):

In general, the Jewish calendar in NT times (at least before AD 70) followed the Sadducean reckoning, since it was by that reckoning that the Temple services were regulated. Thus the day of Pentecost was reckoned as the fiftieth day after the presentation of the first harvested sheaf of barley, i.e., the fiftieth day (inclusive) from the first Sunday after Passover (cf. Lv. 23:15f.); hence it always fell on a Sunday, as it does in the Christian calendar. The Pharisaic reckoning, which became standard after AD 70, interpreted ‘sabbath’ in Lv. 23:15 as the festival day of Unleavened Bread and not the weekly sabbath; in that case Pentecost always fell on the same day of the month [Sivan 6].

Under the rules of the Rabbinic Calculated Calendar (also known as the Hillel II Calendar), Passover regulates all the other festival times. Passover Sabbath, Nisan 15, begins at twilight at the end of the 14th day of the first month (Leviticus 23:5). Passover Sabbath (the first High Day of the Feast of Unleavened Bread) always occurs with a full moon rising in the east, the 15th day after the new moon. It cannot occur before the vernal equinox. By Rabbinical rules Passover Sabbath, starting at the previous sunset, can never occur on a Monday, Wednesday, or Friday (so it can fall on a Sunday, Tuesday, Thursday, or Saturday). Preventing Passover Sabbath from falling on Monday, Wednesday, or Friday eliminates the possibility that Tishri 1 could occur on a Friday, Sunday, or Wednesday. This is because Tishri 1 is always 163 days after Nisan 15. Succoth, the Feast of Tabernacles, was also set to begin on a full moon, the fifteenth day of the seventh month, Tishri (Leviticus 23:34). Succoth had to occur in the fall after the gathering of crops (Deuteronomy 16:16).

Passover Feast Details:
 

Event	Nisan	Ref
Select Paschel lamb	10th	Ex 12:3
Paschal Lamb kept until 14th	11th	Ex 12:6
Paschal Lamb kept until 14th	12th	Ex 12:6
Paschal Lamb kept until 14th	13th	Ex 12:6
Passover Preparation - kill Paschel lamb Evening, strike lambs blood on door posts Roast & eat lamb w/unleavened bread, bitter herbs	14th - "twilight" Passover night	Ex 12:6-18, Lev 23:3-5; Num 28:16
Feast of Unleavened Bread (1 of 7 days) w/fire offering	15th - High Sabbath	Ex 12:6-18, Lev 23:6-8, Num 28:17, 18
Feast of Unleavened Bread (2 of 7 days) w/fire offering	16th	Lev 23:6,8
Feast of Unleavened Bread (3 of 7 days) w/fire offering Feast of First Fruits (Wavesheaf offering)	17th	Lev 23:6,8 Lev 23:9-14
Feast of Unleavened Bread (4 of 7 days) w/fire offering	18th	Lev 23:6,8
Feast of Unleavened Bread (5 of 7 days) w/fire offering	19th	Lev 23:6,8
Feast of Unleavened Bread (6 of 7 days) w/fire offering	20th	Lev 23:6,8
Feast of Unleavened Bread (7 of 7 days) w/fire offering	21st - High Sabbath	Lev 23:6,8, Num 28:25
Feast of Unleavened Bread (8th day in Diaspora)	22nd

Passover and the Feast of Unleavened Bread

Jewish Passover, according to Holy Scripture (Old Testament) is not an entire day, and is not a "holy assembly" or High Sabbath.

Passover is preceded by four days of preparation and then comes the Passover evening and its accompanying meal (Jewish Seder) and subsequent night. Passover and the Feast of Unleavened Bread commemorate the Israelites release from slavery in Egypt. As recorded in Exodus 12:6-18, earlier in the day of Passover, the Paschel Lamb (unblemished, 1 yr old male) was selected and killed at "twilight" (or between the two evenings - sometime between 3pm - 6pm), the blood spread on the lintel & doorposts, and then the seder (meal) was eaten wth "loins girded, your sandals on your feet, and your staff in your hand; and you shall eat it in haste", i.e. they were to be ready to leave in haste. At midnight (Ex 12:29) the LORD's destroyer "passed over" the homes of Israelites marked with the blood of the Paschel Lamb. As recorded in Exodus 12:30-39, that night Pharaoh (whose 1st born was killed that same night) released the Israelites. As instructed by the LORD, the Israelites (already dressed for travel) took their unleavened dough, possessions and plunder from the Egyptians and left.

The point being, Passover night and the 1st day of the 7-day Feast of Unleavened Bread overlap and are consecutive:

• Passover (evening of the 14th Nisan) culminated near midnight (when the LORD's destroyer "passed over") and was followed later that same night and subsequent day, by
• Feast of Unleavened Bread, a 7 day festival the 1st day of which (15th Nisan) is an annual Holy Assembly or or High Sabbath.

So, Passover is often called Passover Sabbath and often incorrectly said to be on Nisan 15th. However more accurately, according to OT scripture (Ex 12:6-8, Lev 23:3-5; Num 28:16) the:

• "Sabbath" designation is actually attached to the following 1st day of the Feast of Unleavened Bread which day is designated a Holy Assembly or High Sabbath, and
• Passover is on the evening of the 14th (around 6 PM as the 14th ends and the 15th begins by Jewish recokoning), and not the 15th, and;
• Because Jewish Passover is actually the Seder (meal) and that same evening and night, Passvoer effectively ends at midnight.

So it is not accurate to say "Passover Sabbath" nor to say it is celebrated on Nisan 15th, nor to say Passover is Nisan 15th-22nd. Passover is only the evening of Nisan 14th extending into the night of Nisan 15th. Further, the 7-day Feast of Unleavened Bread is from Nisan 15th-21st of which the 1st and 7th days are also Holy Assemblies or High Sabbaths.

Specifically in AD 30 (Jewish year 3790):

• Passover, the evening of 14 Nisan 3790 falls on April 3rd AD 30, a Wednesday evening (which, including earlier preparation, the Jews would have reckoned from 6PM Wednesday evening April 3rd until midnight, and overlaps with:
• 1st day of the Feast of Unleavened Bread, 15 Nisan 3790 falls on April 4 AD 30, a Thursday (which the Jews would have reckoned beginning at 6PM Wednesday eve April 3rd until 6PM Thursday eve April 4th).

Also, as disclosed by Hillel (see History and Rules of the Jewish Calendar) Passover night (evening 6PM-12 midnight):

• could begin on Monday evening, Wednesday evening, Friday evening, or Saturday evening; but.
• never begin on Sunday evening, Tuesday evening, or Thursday evening.

Alignment of Passover with Feast of Unleavened Bread 1st day
... Nisan 14th		Nisan 15th								Nisan 16th ...
Wednesday				Thursday
1st evening		2nd evening		morning				1st evening		2nd evening
6th hr	9th hr	1st hr	3rd hr	6th hr	9th hr	1st hr	3rd hr	6th hr	9th hr	1st hr	3rd hr
12 am	3 pm	6 pm	9 pm	12 pm	3 am	6 am	9 am	12 am	3 pm	6 pm	9 pm
Preparation		Passover night
		1st day Feast of Unleavened Bread - High Sabbath								2nd day Unleavened
=>		<= "between the evening's" 3-6 pm - beyn haarbayim (Ex 12:6)

Passion week harmonized timeline for AD 30 or Jewish year 3790.

The next table shows a consistent timeline which harmonizes the gospel accounts of Passion Week and reconciles them with the calendar for AD 30 or Jewish year 3790. Note that the columns "Gregorian" and "Weekday" are what western society would normally use for dates and day of the week, while the two columns in between, "Nisan" and "Hour", portray how Jewish calendar and time keeping shifts their date & day 'earlier' by 6 hours relative to Gregorian and other non-Jewish calendrics.

Note that key anchor dates and passages are highlighted in

Event

Gregorian

Nisan

Hour

Weekday

Matt

Mark

Luke

John

New Moon of Nissan

March 21

1st

day

Thursday

March 22

2nd

day

Friday

March 23

3rd weekly Sabbath

day

Saturday

March 24

4th

day

Sunday

March 25

5th

day

Monday

March 26

6th

day

Tuesday

March 27

7th

day

Wednesday

Jesus prophecys pending death (enroute to Jerusalem)

March 28

8th

day

Thursday

20:18-28

10:32-45

9th

evening

March 29

night

Friday

Jesus in Jericho, leaves Jericho for Jerusalem

morning

20:-29

10:46

19:1-5

11:55

Jesus arrives Bethany 6 days before Passover [Jews] has supper, Mary anoints Him with costly perfume

day

12:1-8

10th weekly Sabbath

evening

March 30

night

Saturday

morning

Jesus rides colt into Jersualem Passover Lamb selected and presented to people (Ex 12:3)

day

21:1-9

11:1-10

19:28-44

12:12-16

Jesus enters Jerusalem, looks around Temple, already late so leaves for Bethany

21:17

11:11

11th

evening

March 31

night

Sunday

Jesus curses fig tree going from Bethany to Jerusalem

morning

21:18-19

11:12-14

Jesus casts out money changers

day

21:12-16*

11:15-18

19:45-46

Jesus returns to Bethany and spends the night there

12th

evening

11:19

April 1

night

Monday

pass yesterdays withered fig tree enroute to Jerusalem again

morning

11:20-21

Jesus authority questioned in Temple

day

21:23-46

11:27-33

20:1-2

Jesus teaches parables & Olivett discourse, render unto Ceasar

day

23-25

12-13

20:21-25, 21

Jesus in Bethany at Simon the leper's After 2 days is "Passover [of the Jews]"

13th

evening

26:1-7

14:1-3

Judas & priests plot for 30 pieces of silver

April 2

night

Tuesday

26:14-16

14:10,11

22:3-6

morning

Upper room arranged for Lord's supper [Essene Passover]

day

26:17-19

14:12-16

22:7-13

13:1a

Lord's supper & Judas betrayal [Essene Passover]

14th Preparation Day

evening

26:20-29

14:17-25

22:14-22

13:2-17:26

Jesus prays & arrested in Gethsemane

April 3

night

Wednesday

26:30-56

14:26-49

22:39-53

18:1-12

Pharisee's interrogate Jesus all night

26:57-68

14:53-65

22:54-65

18:13-24

Rooster crows

dawn

26:74

14:72

22:60

18:27

Jesus before Sanhedrin

22:66-71

Pilate interrogates Jesus

morning

27:1-2

15:1-5

23:1-3

18:28-38

Jesus taken to Herod, back to Pilate

23:8-12

Pilate has Jesus scourged, frees Barabbas, orders Jesus crucifixion

morning, 6th hr

27:11-26

15:6-15

23:18-25

19:10-16

Passover Preparation - Jesus crucified, darkness 6th-9th hour (Ex 12:6, 'between evening', Lev 23:4-5)

9AM -3PM

27:45

15:33

23:44-45

Jesus taken down from cross and entombed, women returned [home] and prepared spices

3-6 PM

27:57-61

15:42-47

23:50-56a

19:31-42

"Passover of the Jews" night meets Hillel II rules (Pharisee's avoid crucifixion on this day)

15th Passover Night

evening

19:31

April 4

15th High Sabbath

night 1

Thursday

day after preparation, Pharisees persuade Pilate to post guard at the tomb

morning

27:62-66

Feast of Unleavened Bread (day 1 Lev 23:6-8, Num 28:16) on Sabbath they rested as commanded

day 1

23:56b

16th

evening

April 5

night 2

Friday

morning

Feast of Unleavened Bread (day 2 Lev 23:6,8) When Sabbath was over, women bought [more] anointing spices

day 2

16:1

17th weekly Sabbath

evening

April 6

night 3

Saturday

morning

Feast of Unleavened Bread (day 3 Lev 23:6,8) with First Fruit offering

day 3

18th

evening

after the Sabbath, dawn of the first day of the week Women at tomb w/spices, stone rolled away

April 7

dawn

Sunday

28:1

16:2

24:1

20:1

Feast of Unleavened Bread (day 4 Lev 23:6,8) w/fire offering

day

evening

night

Feast of Unleavened Bread (day 5 Lev 23:6,8)

April 8

19th

Monday

Feast of Unleavened Bread (day 6 Lev 23:6,8)

April 9

20th

Tuesday

Feast of Unleavened Bread (day 7 Lev 23:6,8)

April 10

21st High Sabbath

Wednesday

April 11

22nd

Thursday

* Upon Jesus arrival in Bethany, there were daily trips into Jersalem and to the Temple. As Mark's account (Mark 11:1-21) demonstrates, on the first two days (Saturday & Sunday in the table above) the fig tree is passed and cursed on Sunday morning (the 2nd trip in), Jesus casts the money changers out of the Temple that same day, and on the following morning (Monday, returning again to the Temple on the 3rd trip in) the now withered fig tree is passed again and commented upon.

However, Matthew's account is quite condensed with Matt 21:17-19 providing the only date delineation during what Mark describes as transpiring over three separate days. Were it not for the miraculous cursing and withering of the fig tree, Matthew might not have even recorded this delineation between days. Matthew seemingly describes Jesus casting out the money changers on the first day whereas Mark describes it on the 2nd day. Matthew seemingly describes the fig tree as "immediately withered" upon being cursed whereas Mark's account describes the disciples noticing the now withered (past tense) fig tree one day after being cursed on the morning of the 3rd trip in to Jerusalem.

Likely, Matthew having already described Jesus' entry into Jerusalem, omitts from his narrative a change of day and goes on to describe casting out the money changers and then describes the withering of the fig tree (but not on two separate mornings as did Mark) by again condensing the narrative down to a "cursing" and the consequential "withered" result of the following (actually 3rd) morning.

Key Passion Week date criteria:

• Jesus arrives Bethany on Friday, 6 days before Passover (Fri, Sat, Sun, Mon, Tues, Wed)
• Lord's Supper (Essene Passover) was on Tuesday night, Nisan 14 by Essene calendrics
• Jewish Passover preparation day was on Wednesday, Nisan 14 by Jewish calendrics, on which Pilate had Jesus scourged, crucified & entombed
• Jewish Passover was on Wednesday night, Nisan 14 by Jewish calendrics
• Jewish Feast of Unleavened Bread (1st day) a High Sabbath was on Thursday, Nisan 15 by Jewish calendrics
• Women rested on that [high] Sabbath Thursday (day after preparation) and bought more spices on Friday
• Jewish weekly Sabbath followed on Saturday
• Empty tomb discovered after the (weekly) Sabbath at dawn on Sunday, the first day of the week
• Jesus was in the tomb 3 full days and 3 full nights:
  • 3 nights: 1) Wed eve -> Thu eve, 2) Thu eve -> Fri eve, 3) Fri eve -> Sat eve
  • 3 days:   1) Thu morn -> Fri morn, 2) Fri morn -> Sat morn, 3) Sat morn -> Sun morn

Jewish Passover preparation, Nisan 14th fell on Wednesday in AD 30 and AD 27, but only in AD 30 did the Essenes also observe Passover exactly 1 day before the Jews.

The Essene Passover, which Jesus observed in the upper room with His disciples, preceded the Jewish Passover by 1 day and this happened only in AD 30 (see Essene Passover Dates). In all other years the Essene Passover fell in a different week or fell after (not before) the Jewish Passover, preventing harmonization of the gospel accounts of Passion Week in those years.

Consequently, AD 30 is the only year in which Jesus and His disciples could observe the Essene Passover exactly one day before the Jews and Pharisees etc. observe the Jewish Passover. Hence, AD 30 is the only year in which Jesus could both observe Passover (as an Essene) in the upper room and then Himself be the sacrificial Passover Lamb of God the following day on Jewish Passover.

No other year satisfies all the criteria to harmonize the gospel Passion Week accounts, and hence AD 30 stands alone as the only "fit" for the year of crucifixion.

(last updated August 1, 2005)

If you want to make the case that there was one open spot because of a tare and therefore my whole premise is wrong IMHO that is a pretty childish interpretation.

Your 'opinions' are irrelevant. Your 'premise' has been shown to contradict scripture, in several passages. Get over it.

You can believe anything you want but the wedding hall is filled.

False.

"Those slaves went out into the streets and gathered together all they found, both evil and good; and the wedding hall was filled with dinner guests. But when the king came in to look over the dinner guests, he saw a man there who was not dressed in wedding clothes, and he *said to him, 'Friend, how did you come in here without wedding clothes?' And the man was speechless. Then the king said to the servants, 'Bind him hand and foot, and throw him into the outer darkness;

Try reading your own scripture, all of it without exception, instead of twisting it to suit your doctrine and failed argument.

After those not dressed in wedding clothes were thrown into the outer darkness, the wedding hall wasn't filled anymore, now was it.

There are now empty places, aren't there, unoccupied by those who were not dressed in wedding clothes and who were thrown out.

If these "false teachers" are heading for damnation, do you believe they're covered by the blood of Christ? That Christ paid their penalty? Is that your interpretation? Christ blood covers the world?

Not if, but "are". The "false teachers" are headed/in damnation.

2Pe 2:1 But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.

I'll not waste further time highlighting what you clearly refuse to read.

What you need to focus on is they were in fact "false teachers", who in fact "denied Christ", who in fact "bought" said false teachers, who in fact brought their own "swift destruction".

Which part of 'they denied Christ' do you refuse to get?

False teachers who denied Christ and brought their own destruction were nonetheless bought by Christ.

Christ's atonement is unlimited. Their chairs are the empty ones at the feast.

I've ignored nothing.

I said you ignored xzins post #47, which was posted to you to which there are still no replies. First you ignored his post and now you pretend to not understand that you ignored it.

I believe ksen responded with a paragraph from John Calvin that 2 Peter 2:1 is referring to those who are in the faithbut who are false teachers

Brilliant! Only you would argue that "2 Peter 2:1 is referring to those who are in the faith but who are false teachers"

Have you not read what was written?

2Pe 2:1 But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.

You now argue that "false teachers" who bring in "damnable heresies even denying the Lord that bought them" are in the Calvinist view "in the faith", yet you further ignore these same "false teachers" have brought upon themselves "swift destruction".

Destruction, HarleyD, swift destruction. They are not in the faith. They have brought upon themselves swift destruction.

A correct analogy would be that of a feast to which everyone has been invited and the food bought and prepared, the places set for everyone with name cards, but most chairs are empty, as the host foreknew they would be and also foreknew who would and would not ignore the invitation.

HarleyD you ignored xzins post number 47:

2Pe 2:1 But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.

The above verse makes evidently, absolutely clear that Jesus died even for the false, heretical teachers.

Everyone's salvation has been bought and paid for...even those who reject it.

Levels of debt in excess of amounts which can be serviced from current income result in deflation.

Perhaps you could elaborate on the mechanics of this process? How does an aggregate inability to service loans (in full or in part) cause the money supply to contract, or at least contract faster than goods/service contract? Whatever that answer is, how does it prevent the Fed from printing money and buying back Treasuries (monetization of Govt debt)?

The inflation answer cannot work unless it can be accomplished in a process which increases income. Not only is that not happening now, it is difficult to come up with a hypothetical state of affairs in which increased liquidity provided through the bank fractional reserve process can result in increased income....

I contend it is happening now on a global scale. The US Federal Reserve and GSEs are inflating the USD money supply, the Japanese and Chinese are inflating their money supplies to sterilize their USD profits. Incomes are increasing in India, China, South America - the bulk of the worlds work force. They are buying food, cars, air-conditioners, cell phones, etc. Their governments and employers are buying up commodites and companies to make & power all that stuff.

As to the long term trade deficit issue, if the domestic economy continues to deteriorate, US customers will reduce offshore purchases and the offshore economies will also contract. Since US consumption is the primary market, the offshore economies will suffer more from contraction in the US than the domestic economy does.

Yes, and the 'solution' will be to do what Central Banks and governments always do - stimulate their economies with debt-based expansion and increased liquidity, except the target beneficiaries will be their own populations instead of the US.

But the pumping of the money supplies will continue. Debt being monetized in the US, and competitive currency debasement amongst the Asians & Europeans.

How does unwinding the carry trade cause the dollar to go up against the Euro?

The carry trade was put on by borrowing dollars at historically (hysterically?) low rates and reinvested (USD sold) in higher yield/risk assets.

The carry trade is unwound by selling those higher yield/risk assets for dollars (USD bought) which are then used to repay debts.

The unwinding carry trade reverses a 2-3 year trend of borrowing/selling of USD to a trend of buying/repaying USD. Buying USD and taking them out of the money supply by repaying debts puts upward pressure on the USD.

Foreign Central Banks also continue to support the USD & Treasuries, and interest rate derivatives may be getting exercised which involve dollar buying to cover hedged positions, (point being, an unwinding carry trade is not the sole factor), and the short term USD rise is not against EUR only, but against many currencies, especially the commodity currencies.

I agree with sourcery it looks like the yield curve is about to invert.

Little slow this morning, it took me a while to figure out what you had done here. Maybe it will be apparent to others that your post #48 is a today update to a thread that was current back in October of 2003, a year and four months ago.

Yeah, mostly just intermittantly documenting the USD demise from world reserve currency to wallpaper.

Two meaningful questions of the day [re current USD uptrend]: Why; and How Long?

As to why, I believe it is due to positive interest rate differentials (vs ECB) and an unwinding carry trade overriding the negative record trade imbalances, on top of continued mercantilism of our trading partners providing a base support.

As to how long, these are short term corrective trends (4-8 months) to the USD long term devaluation.

Long term, the trade balance will continue to deteriorate as the 'critical mass' of our productive capital has been off-shored and we have little to export any more at even falling USD prices. The critical mass is gone in that foreign universities are now attracting the best & brightest, innovation and startups are increasingly in India, China, Japan, S. Korea, and job growth is in those countries. Nor do we have anymore the capital to invest in modern plants & equipment (that having been spent in countries where labor is cheaper) nor will the wages of the US worker/resident grow to support more consumption. Global labor arbitrage will hold wages in check, global excess capacity will hold pricing-power in check, but inflation will grow as liquidity growth outstrips production.

US corps will continue to look good on paper as their consolidated balance sheets reflect the cost cutting of moving production offshore and their international sales benefit from increasingly favorable forex treatment even though the profits are not repatriated into USD.

The only tool the Fed has is its printing press, hence every problem will be cured with increased liquidity. At some point our 'trading partners' will opt for the pain of reduced exports to the US and suspending further loans to the US (recycling USD profits into Treasuries) over the pain of increasingly worthless USD-denominated reserves & profits which impairs their import purchasing power for domestic consumption and as well as production for export to other (non-USD denominated) partners.

It was sourcery who maintains (still I believe) a deflationary debt collapse, not I. I anticipate global hyperinflation. When debt is 'liquidated by bankruptcy, default, or repudiation' the creditors balance sheet is impacted, but the money supply is unchanged. And while bankrupt borrowers/lenders won't be borrowing/lending more mponey into existence under our Fractional Reserve Banking system, the government has been and will continue to be the borrower of last resort and the Fed will be the lender of last resort - they make a great team and Greenspan their inestimable coach calling the plays.

Russia ends de facto dollar peg and moves to align rouble with euro
By Steve Johnson in London
Published: February 5 2005 02:00 | Last updated: February 5 2005 02:00

Russia said yesterday it had abandoned efforts to tie the rouble's movement closely to the dollar and switched to shadowing both the euro and the US currency.

The move heightened expectations that other countries operating de facto dollar pegs, such as China, could follow suit.

With 81 per cent of Russia's oil exports currently sold to Europe, the move also provoked fresh speculation that Russia could decide to denominate its oil in euros. Russia is the world's second-largest oil exporter, behind Saudi Arabia.

"Russia has talked about the idea of pricing its oil in euros. If it is starting to put more weight on the euro in terms of its forex regime and reserves, then that speculation will be re-ignited," said Ian Stannard, currency strategist at BNP Paribas.

Russia had announced its intention to introduce a basket arrangement last April but did not set a firm date for the change. The Bank of Russia, the central bank, has been building its euro reserves in readiness, with some 30 per cent of its reserves now estimated to be in euros, against just 5 per cent in 2000. Traders said it appeared Russia had begun to loosen its peg to the dollar in October, when the rouble began to strengthen against the dollar while the US currency fell strongly against the euro.

The bank yesterday indicated that its efforts to keep the rouble closely pegged to the dollar had caused the Russian currency to suffer against the strengthening euro, rendering the old policy "inexpedient".

The rouble has fallen by 30 per cent against the euro since January 2002, fuelling inflation in a country that conducts about 65 per cent of its trade with the eurozone.

"The rouble's performance has been highly correlated with the dollar. Now it will be more aligned with the euro," said Paul Timmons, economist at Moscow Narodny Bank.

He added that the new policy would help Russia move towards a free float of its currency in 2006, a target set by President Vladimir Putin.

This euro weighting will be increased in future to "a level that corresponds to [the] tasks of the exchange rate policy", leading some to conclude that the euro could ultimately account for 65 per cent of the basket, prompting a further re-balancing of Moscow's $128bn (€99bn, £68bn) of gold and forex reserves.

Julia Tsepliaeva of ING Financial Markets said that with inflation currently running at 11.7 per cent, Russia had been forced to stem rouble weakness in order to meet its 2005 inflation target of 8.5 per cent.

Moscow's move illustrates the growing global importance of the euro at a time when a number of central banks have been shifting reserves out of the dollar into the shared European currency.

"It is symptomatic of a global trend and reflects the growing international role of the euro," said Ralph Sueppel, head of emerging Europe strategy at Merrill Lynch.

"It is beginning to take its place in portfolios."

The Bank of Russia said it has been using a basket consisting of 0.1 euro and 0.9 dollars to target exchange rate policy since February 1. With the euro trading near $1.30, this currently gives the euro a 13 per cent weighting in the basket.

You're kind of johnny-come-lately to the discussion, aren't you?

So what? Is it a FR or GRPL rule now that to ask you a question the questioner must have been posting all along? Perhaps you require me to have been "carrying water" earlier in the thread to satisfy your additional contingencies for debate?

I will wait for Fru or whoever else has indicated they would provide a definition. I didn't start that sub-thread.

I don't believe Fru has committed to providing a definition. He seems to have raised the same contingencies as you, that providing a WC-compliant definition of "author" depends on P-Marlowe's definition of "ordain". Fru, kindly copy me on your definition as nobdysfool has deferred to you.

Why don't you apply yourself to the questions I asked in my last post to you, instead of carrying water for someone else?

Just because my interest in knowing a WC-compliant definition of "author" is the same as the interest of several others, doesn't mean I'm carrying their water. I'm carrying my own. They're welcome to come along for the ride.

If you're not going to answer, the honest response would have been to say that up front and bow out. You needn't contrive prerequisite contingencies that prevent you from answering.

No, the issue on the taqble is STILL Marlowe's bogus definition of "ordain".

Fine, it's bogus. Let's move on, shall we?.

Frumanchu provided a WC-compatible definition of "ordain", now would you please provide a WC-compatible definition of "author" to complemement it?

There is absolutely no reason to make your definition of "author" contingent on anything else.

It is your (Calvinism's) definition being requested, not P-Marlowe's.

To suggest someone else must satisfy some prerequsite to your providing a definition is to say you couldn't write a glossary of WC terminology for your church without Marlowe first explaining his definitions. Obviously you're quite capable of giving your church a definition (without Marlowe's input), so please simply copy us here with it here in your next post, please.

God ordains (proper use of the word) everything that happens, but man bears the guilt for sins committed. Go back and read the verse I quoted, until you understand it. You obviously don't yet.

The issue on the table, as you clearly know, is what defintion of "author" do you use such that God "ordains everything that happens, but man bears the guilt for sins committed.?

The GRPL have maintained that God ordains everything but is not the author of the sins ordained. So again what definition of author do you use, please?

A church which does not teach and believe the Reformed, Augustinian, Calvinist doctrines of the Reformation is, by definition, either Arminian, Romanist, or a cult.

And this makes the 1st century churches ...what? What would you call the church at Ephesus or Philadelphia for instance?

And likewise any contemporary independent non-denominational bible-teaching church is... what?

A question for you both if you would please?

So, it's been a few additional months and I'm wondering was there ever a genuine problem with XP SP2, and if so (or not), is it now ready for prime time?

I have a remote friend (computer illiterate) who had problems upgrading from XP to XP SP2 - her MSN.com ISP support stopped working altogether. The MSN tech supp folks told her to back off SP2, she did, everything worked as before. She was told by MSN tech supp:

After 'repeatedly' calling MSN I found someone who suggested removing SP2. He told me he had countless calls with similar problems that began after they installed SP2. Off the record, he said he didn't download SP2 onto his personal computer. He did say Microsoft was addressing it's compatibility with other anti-viruses - Norton, etc. and was waiting until it was more perfected

She previously ran Adaware & SpyBot S&D and Norton ant-virus but switched to McAfee as she was told it was more 'MSN compatible'.

She is now wondering if she should re-attempt the SP2 upgrade.

Have there been any patches to XP SP2 that ostensibly fix upgrade problems, or has it remained static since this thread was last posted, back in Oct 2004?

FWIW, I run W2K Pro SP4 with ZoneAlarm Pro & AVG, Opera, and Eudora. So most of the easy virus and Spybot holes are plugged for me. I've only had 1 virus (trapped) and 1 BSOD in 4 years. So, I'm somewhat sympathetic to the argument that there was nothing wrong with XP SP2 if one keeps their system clean and maintained, but OTOH, I don't have XP and have heard a number of problems with it (similar to the early days of W2K - when I still ran NT - I stay back of the 'bleeding edge').

Thanks for any updated advice/help.