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  • Equality of the Trinity

    05/28/2016 9:17:31 PM PDT · 115 of 117
    Zuriel to rwa265

    **To say that the Father is greater than the Son does not mean that the only begotten Son does not possess the full nature of the Father.**

    The Son DOES possess the full nature of the Father.........that’s why Paul said in Col. 2:9, “For IN him DWELLETH ALL the fulness of the Godhead bodily”.

    Which is not unlike:

    “Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that DWELLETH IN ME, he doeth the works.” John 14:10

    **..that the Son is God.**

    He isn’t if you take the omniscient, omnipotent, and omnipresent Father out of him. Of course, that’s not going to happen.

  • Equality of the Trinity

    05/28/2016 1:11:51 PM PDT · 113 of 117
    Zuriel to rwa265

    **But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom. Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God, even thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows. Heb 1:8-9**

    Remember the Son saying that the Father is greater than him? (Jn 14:28)

    The verse you quote even shows a superiority: “..God, even thy God, hath anointed thee..”.

    Jesus Christ called the Father, “my Father”, and “my God”. (Jn 20:17)

    The Son expresses the words of the Father, physically. And since the Father dwells in Christ, yes, you will find God there.

  • Equality of the Trinity

    05/28/2016 1:03:49 PM PDT · 112 of 117
    Zuriel to WhatNot

    **Pretending scripture doesn’t exist doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist.**

    You mean like you ignoring John 14:10 doesn’t exist? That verse is as black and white as they come, but you won’t touch it.

    **I again gave you Scriptures (Hosea 13:4 - Isaiah 43:10-11) that show beyond any shadow of a doubt that the Saviour is God Almighty, and you ignored them,**

    I told you that since the Father is omnipresent, omniscient, and omnipotent, he is right there in Christ empowering him in every way.

    You like Isaiah?...so do I....

    “Behold my servant, whom I uphold; mine elect, in whom my soul delighteth; I have put my spirit upon him: he shall bring forth judgement to the Gentiles..........Thus saith God the Lord, he that created the heavens, and stretched them out; he that spread forth, and that which cometh out of it; he that giveth breath unto the people upon it, and spirit to them that walk therein: I the Lord have called thee in righteousness, and will keep thee, and give thee for a covenant of the people, for a light unto the Gentiles......”. Isaiah 42:1-6

    **..and went right into your diatribe of Jesus being some kind of a sock-puppet that..**

    Yes that sounds ridiculous, since a sock puppet has no life in himself, nor a will of his own, contrary to the Son’s own testimony. As I pointed out, the Son testified as to where he received his life, and declared that he was not a witness to his own will, but the will of the Father.

    **..the Father created, because he needed SOMETHING to fill up with divinity.**

    “..the Lord saw it, and it displeased him that there was no judgement. And he saw that there was no man, and that there was no intercessor: therefore his arm brought salvation unto him; and his righteousness, it sustained him.” Isaiah 59:15,16

    **After His resurrection, Christ was in His glorified body,**

    Then why couldn’t Mary touch him, yet eight days later, he encouraged it? Granted it’s a question that seems off topic, but there was a reason for everything that the Son did.

    **how long do you think it would have taken Him to ascend into heaven and come back? Days? Hours? Minutes? Seconds?**

    Well, you tell me, since you seem to think that you know.

    **Please remember, God is not the author of confusion,**

    No problem there. For example, I believe that the apostles were obedient to Matt. 28:19, fully knowing the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost, and therefore baptized in the name of Jesus (it’s the name that the Son inherited, and is the name that the Holy Ghost is sent in). Trinitarians have confused that teaching.

    **Hebrews 10:7 Then said I, Lo, I come (in the volume of the book it is written of me,) to do thy will, O God.**

    Your sock puppet talks? (you brought up the woeful concept)
    remember that I brought up Heb. 10:5...”a body thou hast prepared me”. And, Heb. 1:5...”Thou art my Son, this day I have begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?”

    **According to Scripture, Jesus Christ has all the divine attributes that God the Father has, including being eternal God.**

    The glorified Son said, “All power is GIVEN unto me in heaven and in earth. “ Matt. 28:19

    And how is that?...it’s because of the Father in him.

    **(Isaiah 9:6 “For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.”**

    So, under your ‘separate and distinct’ theory, when does the Son start being the everlasting Father? Paul opens most of his epistles with this in the greeting: “..from God our Father, and from our Lord Jesus Christ...”.

    **John 10:30 I and my Father are one.**

    Yet you seem to believe that to be separate persons, but still in unity, not as the Son taught throughout the book of John.

    Then you go to various verses to attempt to prove that the Son is a separate and distinct person of God, concluding with this statement:

    **Now, we have a true understand of what is meant by that verse in Revelation. That Jesus Christ was there in the beginning, and that all things were created by him and for him.**

    Paul explains it better than your statement:

    “but unto us there is but one God, the Father, OF whom are all things..” (remember that the Son did not call himself God the Son, but the Son OF God)..”..and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we in him.” 1Cor. 8:6

    “There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling; One Lord, one faith, one baptism, One God and Father of all, who is above all, and though all, and in you all”. Eph. 4:4-6

    **John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.**

    So, in your ‘separate and distinct persons of God’ theory, why does the Son credit the Father as the source of all divine will, words, doctrine, works, etc.

    Under my belief, the Son came from the Father. That’s not only his teaching, but his disciples. That’s why he is called the Son OF God, not God the Son.

    “As the living Father hath sent me, and I live by the Father...’ John 6:57

    “And he that sent me is with me: the Father hath not left me alone; for I do always those things that please him.” John 8:29

    **John 17:5 And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.**

    “..glorify thou me with thine own self..”.

    The Son is telling you right there that it is the Father’s glory that the Son dwells in.

    **Yes, Jesus humbled Himself, when he took on human flesh, and even though He had every legal right to His divinity, He did not exercise His divine rights, but submitted Himself entirely to the Father, and took everything that the Father gave Him.**

    So what do you believe?...Was the separate and distinct Father only active during Christ earthly ministry, since you ascribe all creation to the separate and distinct Son?

    **That’s flat out heresy.**

    The Son said that he is of the Father. I take it that you disagree with him.

    The verdict about who is ignoring scriptures is certainly not settled, IMO.

  • Equality of the Trinity

    05/27/2016 9:04:41 PM PDT · 109 of 117
    Zuriel to rwa265

    **But it is written in Scripture that the Word, which was God, became flesh,**

    The Son said that the words, and the doctrine, weren’t his, but the Father’s. The following references tell whose ‘words’ they were: John 3:34, 14:24, 17:6,8,14,17

    And the doctrine: John 7:16,17: “My doctrine is NOT mine, but HIS that SENT me. If any man will do HIS will, he shall know of the doctrine, whether it be of GOD, or whether I speak of myself.”

    The Word is actually the will of the Father. The Son (flesh with a soul) is his chosen means of expressing his will in these last days (Heb. 1:1-3).

    You have a body to express your will. The Father didn’t, but chose to make one; the original one, complete with a soul (a will of his own, but would be obedient to the Father that dwelt in him).

  • Equality of the Trinity

    05/27/2016 12:06:50 PM PDT · 107 of 117
    Zuriel to WhatNot

    (sorry, I’m an OTR driver. So replies can take days.)

    **Genesis 1:26**

    I believe that to be God the Father speaking to the firstborn, “the beginning of the creation of God” (Rev. 3:14)

    In John 14:2, the Son tells who owns the house in heaven: “in my Father’s house are many mansions..”.

    The Son goes to prepare a place alright. But it is the Father that powers him to do so. By the way, it is the Father is who made him Lord and Christ. (Acts 2:32-36)

    **By not believing the whole of Scripture, that Jesus, the Son of God, is also omniscient, omnipresent, and omnipotent.**

    It is the Father that makes the ‘mind of Christ’ omnipresent. The ‘Comforter’ could not come until the Son physically left this earth. It is the Father that sends the ‘Comforter’.

    **You only quote the Scriptures that agree with your world view, and you totally ignore the rest of Scripture.**

    Here’s a list of words and references, showing who was the original provider of knowledge (and all other things divine as well):
    gave: 3:16, 10:29, 12:49, 14:31
    gavest: 17:4,6,8,12,22, 18:9
    give: 14:6, 15:16, 16:23
    given: 3:35, 5:26,27,36, 6:39,65, 7:39, 13:3, 17:2(2),7,8,9,11,24(2)
    received: 10:18
    send: 14:26, 15:26, 17:8, Acts 3:20
    sent: 3:17,34, 4:34, 5:23,24,30,36,37,38, 6:29,38,39,40,44,57, 7:16,18,28,29,33, 8:16,18,26,29,42, 9:4, 10:36, 11:42, 12:44,45,49, 13:16,20, 14:24, 15:21, 16:5, 17:3,18,21,23,25, 20:21
    will (noun): 4:34, 5:30(2), 6:38,39,40, 7:17
    will (verb): 5:20, 11:22, 12:26, 14:26, 15:26, 16:23
    word and words (actually there are others that should be included, but the Son made it clear in the following ones whose ‘words’ they were): 3:34, 14:24, 17:6,8,14,17
    work and works: 4:34, 5:20,36(2), 9:4, 10:25,37,38, 14:10, 17:4

    doctrine: 7:16,17: “My doctrine is NOT mine, but HIS that SENT me. If any man will do HIS will, he shall know of the doctrine, whether it be of GOD, or whether I speak of myself.”

    That’s over 100 references (from the book of John alone) showing that the Son’s source of ALL things divine, ALL power, ALL wisdom, etc., is from God the Father. There are plenty more alluding to the same.

    BUT......here is a question for you: With your separate and distinct persons of God theology; can you quote a scripture that shows the FATHER receiving anything divine from the Son?

    **So is the Savior God, or is the Saviour a created being, or perhaps you don’t believe Jesus Christ is the Saviour at all.**

    How could Jesus Christ overcome the world, if the Father had not been in him, giving the power to do all things? That is how the Son of God is Saviour of the world.

    When you place the Father (Spirit) in the Son (divinely created flesh, with a divinely created soul), you have defined Jesus Christ in the simplest of terms.

    I think the biggest problem Trinitarians have, is that they just don’t believe that the Father is indeed a Spirit, and is indeed omnipresent, omnipotent, and omniscient. But, Jesus Christ said that to be the case, in his many words found in the book of John.

    After his resurrection, he told Mary Magdalene, “Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and to your Father; and to my God, and to your God.” Jn 20:17

    “touch me not”?? Why? Then upon his return (the same day?) he shows his hands and side to the disciples, minus Thomas. And then, eight days later he encourages Thomas to touch him. The realm of the Father is truly a spiritual realm we just can’t comprehend.

  • Equality of the Trinity

    05/27/2016 11:19:09 AM PDT · 106 of 117
    Zuriel to rwa265

    **You use the word literally. Is this how you resolve your difference with what is written in Scripture?**

    Difference?.....I harmonize the scriptures, not just pick the first portion of John 1:14, and build a doctrine around it. Read the last part: “..full of grace and truth”.

    Where does the Son declare grace and truth to originate?....the Father.

    **That when John wrote the Word became flesh, he did not mean that the Word literally became flesh?**

    He meant that God was IN Christ, as Paul so accurately pointed out many times in his epistles.

    BUT......here is a question for you: With your separate and distinct persons of God theology; can you quote a scripture that shows the FATHER receiving anything divine from the Son?

    When you place the Father (Spirit) in the Son (divinely created flesh, with a soul), you have defined Jesus Christ in the simplest of terms.

  • Equality of the Trinity

    05/27/2016 11:04:14 AM PDT · 105 of 117
    Zuriel to CpnHook

    (sorry, I’m a OTR driver with no smart phone or laptop. Sometimes replies from me take days. My wife can view comments and let me know what has been said, helping me to reply quicker when I actually get home.)

    **It’s not a matter of “wanting” one thing or another. It’s simply that “the word became flesh” signifies that reality of the Divine taking on human form; God in the flesh.**

    Well, at least you are admitting to defining the Word as “God in the flesh”. Because God is not ‘God the flesh’. God was IN Christ reconciling the world unto himself.

    **And it is true that no man has seen the Father in His heavenly Glory. But is also true that “Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father.” (John 14:9). The Scriptures are replete with paradoxes on these points. The correct answer accepts that, rather than simply favoring one set of verses over the others.**

    There is no paradox to the teaching from Jesus Christ about the Father dwelling in him, doing the works (Jn 14:10). And I am not favoring one set of verses over others. I can go anywhere you choose to go, and point out these undeniable facts:

    God the Father is omnipresent, omnipotent, and omniscient.
    He literally dwells in Christ, and Christ in him.

    (If God the Father is not literally IN Christ, then the Father is not omnipresent.)

    Your body does not define your soul. Your soul defines your body. It’s what you say and do that defines you.

    Jesus Christ came to redeem fallen man, but he also came to express the will of God the Father to mankind, man to man, which he did almost constantly.

    **But back up 12 verses: “51 I am the living bread that came down from heaven. Whoever eats this bread will live forever. This bread is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world.” John 6:51**

    Back up even more:

    “..but my Father giveth you the true bread from heaven.” Jn 6:32

    If you believe that the ‘bread from heaven’ is literally flesh, know that God the Father gave the Son his body (”..but a body thou hast prepared me.” Heb. 10:5)

    **(What does “flesh” refer to in verse 63? Hint: it’s not Jesus’s flesh; to read it that way leads to contradiction, a flesh that “gives life to the world” that also “profits nothing.”)**

    It is the Spirit of God that kept the flesh of the Son of God sinless, and therefore able to present the perfect will of God, to man, by a man.

    If you believe that the ‘bread from heaven’ is words that proceed from that flesh, well, that comes from God the Father also:

    Here’s a list of words and references, showing who was the original provider of knowledge (and all other things divine as well):
    gave: 3:16, 10:29, 12:49, 14:31
    gavest: 17:4,6,8,12,22, 18:9
    give: 14:6, 15:16, 16:23
    given: 3:35, 5:26,27,36, 6:39,65, 7:39, 13:3, 17:2(2),7,8,9,11,24(2)
    received: 10:18
    send: 14:26, 15:26, 17:8, Acts 3:20
    sent: 3:17,34, 4:34, 5:23,24,30,36,37,38, 6:29,38,39,40,44,57, 7:16,18,28,29,33, 8:16,18,26,29,42, 9:4, 10:36, 11:42, 12:44,45,49, 13:16,20, 14:24, 15:21, 16:5, 17:3,18,21,23,25, 20:21
    will (noun): 4:34, 5:30(2), 6:38,39,40, 7:17
    will (verb): 5:20, 11:22, 12:26, 14:26, 15:26, 16:23
    word and words (actually there are others that should be included, but the Son made it clear in the following ones whose ‘words’ they were): 3:34, 14:24, 17:6,8,14,17
    work and works: 4:34, 5:20,36(2), 9:4, 10:25,37,38, 14:10, 17:4

    doctrine: 7:16,17: “My doctrine is NOT mine, but HIS that SENT me. If any man will do HIS will, he shall know of the doctrine, whether it be of GOD, or whether I speak of myself.”

  • The Russian Icon that Reveals the Mystery of the Trinity

    05/23/2016 8:12:48 PM PDT · 20 of 21
    Zuriel to BereanBrain

    **Jesus said no one has seen the Father except...**

    ..the Son. And the Son declares that the Father dwells in him, giving him the words, and doing the works.

    Paul and John also declared that God is invisible.

  • Equality of the Trinity

    05/23/2016 6:19:42 PM PDT · 100 of 117
    Zuriel to WhatNot

    **(1 John 2:23) “Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: (but) he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also.”**

    And in what way am I denying the Son? I define him just as the scriptures define him. The Son expresses the words of the Father. He repeatedly witnessed that fact. He repeatedly said that he is in the Father, and the Father in him. His declaration that God is a Spirit was as plain and as accurate as could be.

    If you don’t believe that the Father is the divine power in Christ, then you are denying the Son’s own testimony, and therefore denying the Son, IMO.

    The problem people have in accepting the Son’s testimony as it is written, is that they have added to the scriptures by using teaching ‘helps’ that are just not scriptural, such as:

    three persons of God
    God the Son
    God the Holy Spirit
    trinity
    co-equal, co-eternal

    I can take any passage you present, where you think that you can show separate and distinct deity, and I in turn can show you that the Father is present, and is the divine source. Do you not believe that the Father is omniscient, omnipresent, and omnipotent?

    To the Son, the words ‘Father’ and ‘God’, are interchangeable. Jesus Christ taught us that quite thoroughly in John. So much so, that you can switch them in any verse, and it is still the truth. Any time Jesus Christ mentioned God, he was referring to the Father. Anytime he mentioned the Father he was referring to God.

    The Father is the only true God. Jesus Christ said it, so it must be so. And where did his testimony originate?....

    The Father.

    **I hope that one day, I can call you a brother in Christ.**

    (or sister).

    Likewise, FRiend

    I’m a dude. Zuriel was a chief of the ‘sons’ of Merari, who was one of Levi’s sons. Zuriel was head honcho when it came to setting up the framework of the tabernacle, and taking it down and transporting it.

    (I would have replied sooner, but Sat. morn greeting the wife and I to a PC that had downloaded Winndoze 10 without our permission. We chose to enjoy the weekend, and worry about it later. I guess we’ll just have to get used to the new OS. I’m still a little bent, but maybe I’ll just get off the grid someday.)

  • Equality of the Trinity

    05/23/2016 5:38:11 PM PDT · 99 of 117
    Zuriel to rwa265

    **There is still the question; how do you reconcile your statement that the Word is not flesh with what is written in Holy Scripture, that the Word became flesh?**

    How do you reconcile your wanting God to literally be flesh, when Jesus Christ and his aposltes declare God to be a Spirit and invisible? (John 1:18, 5:37, Col.1:15, 1Tim. 1:17, Heb. 11:27, 1John 4:12)

    After his teaching on the ‘bread of life’, Jesus Christ declared that it wasn’t literally the flesh that gives life, but the Spirit:

    “It is the Spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.” John 6:63

    Your words don’t come from your flesh, but from your mind, and are inseparable from your very being. Your mind is in a fleshly body, designed by God, and is the method you use to express yourself. Your body is not your mind.

    Jesus Christ is the express image of the invisible God. God is invisible. The scriptures are complete when teaching doctrine. When Jesus Christ said that God is a Spirit, he was giving as basic of a description as he could to the person he was talking to.

    He claimed that all of his words of testamony were not his, but the Father’s. He claimed the Father was in him doing the works. I don’t know how clearer he could be to enquiring minds.

    (I’d have answered sooner, but Sat. morn the wife and I were greeted, when turning on the PC, to a welcome to Winndoze 10. We didn’t ask for it, but there it was. So we delayed taking any action, and enjoyed the nice weekend, and asked friends what to do. We decided to just learn to use the new OS. Still kinda ticked off that it was loaded without our permission.)

  • Equality of the Trinity

    05/20/2016 8:52:15 PM PDT · 92 of 117
    Zuriel to WhatNot

    **The words that Christ spoke were His, and they were given to Him from the Father, concurrently. God the Father and the Son of God, were in complete agreement. There is no difference in what they say, because they are both eternal.**

    “My doctrine is not mine, but his that sent me.” John 7:16

    “For I have not spoken of myself: but the Father which sent me, he gave commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak. And I know that his commandment is life everlasting: whatsoever I speak therefore, even as the Father said unto me, so I speak.” John 12:49,50

    **Hebrews 13:8 Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.**

    So if the Father is in him doing the works (John 14:10)before the death, burial, and resurrection, then afterward the Father is still in him doing the works.

    **Jesus, being God, and the Son of God, the 2nd person of the Godhead, at the same time, created all things, and at the same time, all things were created for Him. He is eternal. He created inheritance, and He inherits all things. He created the priesthood, He is our great High priest, He created thrones, He sits on the highest throne.**

    I think that you are throwing in a little too much personal interpretation there, FRiend.

    inherit: receive (money, property, or a title) as an heir at the death of the previous holder.

    **Revelation 22:13 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.**

    So is he not speaking the words from the Father in that verse? Is the Father not dwelling in him at that point?

    **God, and at the same time, three separate and distinct persons.**

    Doesn’t creation itself show that a three-headed creature is a freak of nature? If they survive birth, they certainly live a crippled life.

    Thank you for your prayers. I pray that you will study the book of John, and see that God the Father is the source of the Son, and the Holy Ghost.

  • Equality of the Trinity

    05/20/2016 8:12:57 PM PDT · 91 of 117
    Zuriel to rwa265

    **Just wondering; you state that the Word is not flesh. How do you reconcile that with John 1:14, which states, depending on the version, that the Word was made flesh, or the Word became flesh, or the Word became human, or the Word came in the flesh?**

    The Word of God is the testimony of God; anything about God, be it his power, wisdom, love, etc. It wasn’t enough to speak through the fathers and prophets. So, he chose to speak face to face. And to do so, he had to have his own body. This body couldn’t just be a shell with no human mind and soul. No, God wasn’t going to cut any corners; this would be a man in every aspect, even able to die.

    That is why the flesh is not God. God cannot die.

  • The Gospel Part 5: Reconciling Faith And Works

    05/20/2016 10:06:32 AM PDT · 30 of 49
    Zuriel to amessenger4god

    **Salvation is received by grace through faith alone (John 6:28-29, Ephesians 2:8-9, Romans 4:5, Romans 11:6, Galatians 2:21).**

    Well, aside from the fact that the epistles were written to people that were already born again (that’s the context), we live in physical bodies. One cannot have faith without moving a muscle.

    An example: the man with the palsy

    “.....they went upon the housetop, and let him down through the tiling with his couch into the midst before Jesus. And when he saw their faith, he said unto him, Man, thy sins be forgiven thee.” Luke 5:19,20

    another example:

    After hearing the centurion’s testimony from messengers he had sent to Jesus: “When Jesus heard these things, he marvelled at him, and turned him about, and said unto the people that followed him, I say unto you, I have not found so great faith, no not in Israel.” Luke 7:9

    another example:

    After the sinner woman wept over, wiped, and annointed the feet of Jesus, “..he said unto her, Thy sins are forgiven........And he said unto the woman, Thy faith hath saved thee, go in peace.” Luke 7:48,50

    to be continued......

  • Equality of the Trinity

    05/20/2016 9:23:44 AM PDT · 88 of 117
    Zuriel to WhatNot

    **John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.**

    If you believe that the Son is separately and distinctly the Word, then how do you explain the Son’s testimony that the words that he spoke were not his?

    But, when you realize that the Father is an omnipresent spirit dwelling in Christ, then you can see that the Word is not flesh, but that the flesh was simply God’s most excellent vehicle to express the Word to mankind. (If you read post #87, you will see a somewhat crude example I use to expound on that belief). Your words are not from your flesh, but from your mind. You are not born with truth in your mind. It has to be placed (taught) in your mind.

    **John 15:1 I am the true vine, and my Father is the husbandman.**

    The passage in John 15 is using the understanding of a vineyard and it maintenance.

    The husbandman exists before, and gives life to the vine: planting, watering, fertilizing, keeping any competition (weeds and brush) from interfering with it.

    **No, God preserved His word, and we have it with us here today, and both of us will be judged on it alone.**

    True.
    And there is enough testimony in the book of John alone to set people straight on the Godhead.

    Do you believe that the Son inherited all things, including his name? If so, who from?

    Thanks for your replies.

  • Equality of the Trinity

    05/20/2016 8:51:44 AM PDT · 87 of 117
    Zuriel to boatbums

    Throughout my youth and adult years of attending a Trinitarian church, I was sometimes curious as to why the pastor would seem to dodge certain parts of the book of Acts. But he was just teaching as he was taught. (While driving this week, I heard Allistar Begg cleverly dodge, and horribly misinterpret passages in Acts. He teaches as he was taught, no doubt.)

    It wasn’t until one of my younger brothers moved away, and only months later told me he had been baptized in the name of Jesus. This seemed odd, since I had only heard of folks being baptized in the triune formula, myself included. He pointed out that the only way that folks were baptized in the original church, in obedience to Matt. 28:19, was in the name of Jesus.

    The words and works of the apostles testify to that fact. Further study revealed to me that the Son indeed inherited his Father’s name (in fact inherited all things from the Father). The Son testified that the Holy Ghost is sent in the name of Jesus.

    That was the beginning of seeing the way of the Lord more perfectly. Even you admit to not being able to completely comprehend the trinity concept.

    Look at this crude ‘Ironman’ comparison. (disclaimer: I have never seen an ‘Ironman’ movie, but have seen enough clips and info to understand the idea it is built on.)

    Ironman is supposed to be a suit with amazing powers, even AI is built into it. It’s creator dwells in it, and out of it. It has full function capability autonomously, thanks to the AI, but only doing the will of it’s creator, never using it’s AI to do anything contrary. Although, I’m told that in one of the movies, one of the creator’s suits goes off on his own, but has a change of ‘mind’ and returns.

    Jesus Christ claims to have received EVERYTHING from the Father; words, works, love, feelings, ability to create,, his very life. The book of John testifies to that. And the Son testifies that the Father is in him, and he in the Father, literally. The Son was sent in the likeness of sinful flesh, even having to deny his own will (which wants to follow the desires of the flesh), and instead do the will of the Father.

    Man has chosen to believe that the Father is not literally in Christ, looking at the Father and Son in a carnal understanding (hence the false testimony of Joseph Smith, who claimed to have seen, and spoken with, both the Father and the Son).

    **This is something we accept by faith because it is what God has revealed to us in His word.**

    God has revealed in his word that the Son received his words and doctrine from the Father. The Son came not to bear witness of himself, but to bear witness of the Father. Jesus Christ said the Father gave the words to speak and the power to do the works in order to bear witness that the Father sent him. That is pointed out quite well in John chapter 5.

    God, the eternal and invisible Father, is revealed to us through his Son. It is that simple.

  • Equality of the Trinity

    05/19/2016 8:27:31 PM PDT · 83 of 117
    Zuriel to boatbums

    I was raised in a quite studious Trinitarian congregation, and was a regular at bible studies off and on through the youth and adult years, up until the age of 28. I’ve heard the Trinitarian teaching many times.

    Don’t you find it odd that the apostles never baptized, repeating the titles, Father , Son, and Holy Ghost? It’s because that they knew those were titles, and not the name (singular).

    They knew the name was Jesus. It’s the name that the Son inherited. That’s the name they used in water baptism. The book of Acts bears witness to that fact. It’s the only name under heaven, given among men, whereby we must be saved.

    **Further 1 John 5:7 states**

    I discussed that in post #82, I you don’t mind checking it out.

    I am out of time, but will offer more, hopefully tomorrow night.

  • Equality of the Trinity

    05/19/2016 8:11:51 PM PDT · 82 of 117
    Zuriel to WhatNot

    **Luke 3:22 And the Holy Ghost descended in a bodily shape like a dove upon him, and a voice came from heaven, which said, Thou art my beloved Son; in thee I am well pleased.**

    **In this verse we have the (Holy Ghost) descending upon him, upon who? upon (Jesus.) We have a voice from heaven, (the Father) three separate and distinct persons.**

    In that verse you find that God gave John the baptist both an audio and visual conformation that the man standing before him was indeed the Son of God.

    A television is an object standing before people. It displays an image(s) from out of thin air, and words from out of thin air as well. There is a hot wire in the wall outlet that makes the tv come to life. If that seems like a crude example, then how crude is it to think that the omnipresent, omnipotetent, and omniscient God the Father can’t be IN Christ (opposite of what Christ so declared), and also can’t simultaneously make visual and audio signs for another man to witness.

    The Son of God was the visible and audio expression, to fellow men, of God’s love, power, wisdom, etc. The Son declared those attributes to be “the Father in him” (John 14:10)

    Jesus Christ declared that he was sent from God. He also declared that the Holy Ghost proceeds from the Father.

    The Father is the original source of all things divine.

    As we know, artificial intelligence is a creation of man.
    It is also crude, I suppose, to say that the Son of God is God the Father’s initial creation of AI. The mind and soul of Jesus Christ was created by God.

    “Thou art my Son, this day I have begotten thee?” Heb. 1:5 (Ps. 2:7)

    “I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son”. Heb. 1:5

    Then when the fullness of time was come, God sent his Son to redeem fallen man. To do this, the Son needed a body:

    “Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body thou hast prepared me:” Heb. 10:5

    And when he came to his own, he declared the Word of God. And the words that the image spoke were, by the Son’s own admission, from the Father.

    **1 John 5:7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.**

    **Now, I know the New World Order translations like to dismiss this particular verse, but I believe God can preserve His own word.**

    Oh, God does indeed preserve his word. Sometimes imprinted in the memory of living and breathing people. The debate is which written or printed version is most accurately preserved.

    My KJV (The Pilgrim Study Bible. Oxford Press) has the same verse. Yet the Trinitarian commentary on that page says: “Scholars mostly agree that this verse is not authentic and should be omitted.”

    I have often thought it odd that the Trinitarian commentators, or contributing editors, would make what would seem to be a concession of sorts.

    The scriptures point out that the Son inherited all things, even his name. Think about that for moment.

  • Equality of the Trinity

    05/18/2016 9:25:01 PM PDT · 79 of 117
    Zuriel to boatbums

    More on this:

    **You also run into contradictions and ignore them. Here’s one: How can the EVERLASTING Father not also have an EVERLASTING son?**

    How can the Son be heir to all things? He even inherited his name. But from who?

    You can’t inherit something that you’ve always and forever had possession of.

    Yes, the Son had a beginning. He is the beginning of creation, and therefore existed before the world and all therein.

  • Equality of the Trinity

    05/18/2016 8:50:10 PM PDT · 78 of 117
    Zuriel to boatbums

    **How can the EVERLASTING Father not also have an EVERLASTING son?**

    So you are determined to prove that the Son did not have a beginning? So do you disagree with Heb. 1:5 and Rev. 3:14?

    **You quote Bible verses as your answers but show how your interpretation of them is different from historical Christianity.**

    Prods rail against post-scriptural tradition that is used for doctrine. The three separate and distinct persons of God, trinity concept, is post-scriptural tradition used for doctrine.

    I was rolling down the road today, listening to AFR preachers admitting that the trinity is very hard to understand, yet they believe it.

    The Godhead is easier to understand if one realizes that God the Father is omnipresent, omniscient, and omnipotent, AND dwells in Jesus Christ.

    Yes, I use scriptures. Here’s another one:

    “Father,....And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.” John 17:1-3

  • Equality of the Trinity

    05/18/2016 8:32:42 PM PDT · 77 of 117
    Zuriel to WhatNot

    **Not believing that Jesus is God, is extremely dangerous to one’s own soul.**

    Actually, not believing that the Father is in the Son, and the Son in the Father, and that God the Father is the singular source of all things divine, goes against much of what is written in the book of John alone.

    So you’re saying that Jesus Christ, Peter, John, and Paul were all wrong when they said that no man has seen God? Are you trying to pull the Son apart from the Father to make multiple divine distinctions? Christ never did that, why should anyone else?

    God was indeed manifest in the flesh. The flesh had a beginning, the flesh died, and the flesh rose again,....by the glory of the Father. (Romans 6:4).

    The flesh was the ultimate physical way that God made his attributes visible to mankind.

    Jesus Christ said, “it is the spirit that quickeneth, the flesh profiteth nothing: the words I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.” John 7:63

    As an OTR truck driver, I’ve had plenty of time to listen to radio preachers like Swindoll, Jeremiah, MacArthur, Stanley, etc. One day I tried to tally the times they used the phrases ‘Son of God’, and ‘God the Son’.

    The result was about 2 ‘God the Son’ versus 5 for ‘Son of God’.

    The phrase the ‘Son of God’ is found about 50 times in the NT. The phrase ‘God the Son’ is not found at all in the scriptures. That is fact, not interpretation.

    The Prods rail against post-scriptural tradition that is used for doctrine. The three separate and distinct persons of God, trinity concept, is post-scriptural tradition used for doctrine.

    I will close with a favorite passage:

    “Father,....And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.” John 17:1-3

  • Equality of the Trinity

    05/18/2016 6:44:17 PM PDT · 74 of 117
    Zuriel to boatbums

    **I’m not arguing with you about the words Jesus said, only the way you have come across in your interpretation of those words.**

    For example?

    **Please answer the question I have asked you now for the fourth time: Did the Son of God exist before the incarnation?**

    You mean that this verse I quoted doesn’t provide an answer?:

    “..These things saith the Amen, the faithful witness, the beginning of the creation of God;” Rev. 3:14

    **He did not become the Son of God when He took on human flesh.**

    “Thou art my Son, this day I have begotten thee?” Heb. 1:5 (Ps. 2:7)

    I don’t know about you, but I read a beginning right there.

    “I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son”. Heb. 1:5

    Will be,....shall be?? Looks like a beginning to me.

    For Sola Scriptura folks, defining God as the scriptures define him is a must. The phrase the ‘Son of God’ is quite plain: the Son is of God. God gave the Son his beginning, which was before anything else.

    Jesus Christ is the image of the invisible God, not ‘God the image’.

  • Equality of the Trinity

    05/17/2016 7:35:53 PM PDT · 70 of 117
    Zuriel to Greetings_Puny_Humans

    I’ve done a lot more straight up replying than you.

    I’ve replied to most, if not all of the verses you presented. You’ve replied to none of mine.

    When the Son of God said ‘I am’, whose words was he speaking?

    Does a question like that make you angry,....like when the Lord made the scribes and Pharisees angry, when he told them who was present before them?

    They knew that God is a Spirit and not a man (as the Son of God pointed out in John 4:23,24), and that God is omniscient, omnipotent, and omnipresent. They just couldn’t accept the fact that He would have his attributes displayed in a (divinely conceived) mortal human body; a human body with a soul, just like every other human: eat, drink, sleep, sweat, etc.

    This human had a will and soul just like any other human. A will and soul that didn’t want to experience death, but said ‘not my will but thine be done’.

    “Because thou wilt not leave my soul in hell, neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption.” Acts 2:27

    As Peter said; “Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God”. Not: “thou art the Christ, the living God the Son”.

  • Equality of the Trinity

    05/17/2016 6:45:22 PM PDT · 69 of 117
    Zuriel to boatbums

    **In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. (John 1:1-3)**

    “..These things saith the Amen, the faithful witness, the beginning of the creation of God;” Rev. 3:14

    Faithful witness?....hmmmm. The Son did say that the words that he spoke were not his, but the Father’s.

    **And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth. (John 1:14)**

    Is your word flesh, or is the flesh how your word is presented to others in a physical world?

    “No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.” John 1:18

    Notice that there is no disputing, no exceptions: No man hath seen God at any time.

    The invisible God is in Christ reconciling the world unto himself....

    If you believe that the flesh is God, then you are in agreement with the RCC, who uses that as a basis for their ‘mother of God’ teachings.

  • Equality of the Trinity

    05/17/2016 6:23:14 PM PDT · 66 of 117
    Zuriel to Greetings_Puny_Humans

    **As usual you ignored 100 percent of everything I wrote.**

    Exaggerate much? Go back and read my posts to you.

    **Who do you think you’re fooling?**

    I’m serious as a heartbeat, and you won’t answer my questions because you apparently can’t.

    Come on....man up!

    Were the divine words that the Son spoke, from the Father?
    Was the doctrine that the Son presented his, or the Father’s?

    Show me where the Father is not in the Son. If you are so right, then you should have no problem presenting verses that declare that.

    You are welcome to get back to me, when you decide to be more than clouds and wind with no rain.

  • Equality of the Trinity

    05/16/2016 8:16:41 PM PDT · 63 of 117
    Zuriel to Greetings_Puny_Humans

    As usual you answer no questions. You just seem to deny the testimony of Christ. You try to point out the Son as separate from the Father, when the Father is in him everywhere he goes. The only distinction is that the Son is divinely created flesh with a mind and soul, and the Father is a Spirit.

    Is John 14:10 somehow an inaccurate witness from the Son? Is the Father not in Christ giving him the words and doing the works, as Christ said?

    Your argument is not with me, it is with Jesus Christ.

    “He that believeth on me, believeth not on me, but on him that sent me.” John 12:44

    I think that your problem is that you don’t believe on HIM that sent the Son. If true, that’s a big problem. I’m assuming that you will surely deny that being a problem, but your testimony seems to tell me otherwise.

    I ask again:

    Did the Son inherit his name, yes or no?

  • Equality of the Trinity

    05/16/2016 7:53:50 PM PDT · 62 of 117
    Zuriel to Campion

    **If you don’t believe that, you simply aren’t a Christian.**

    If you don’t believe that the Father is in Christ giving him the divine words to speak, and giving him the power to do divine works, then it would seem, that scripturally, you don’t believe the testimony of Jesus Christ.

  • Equality of the Trinity

    05/16/2016 7:45:58 PM PDT · 60 of 117
    Zuriel to boatbums

    **How many Gods do you believe exist?**

    One.

    **If Jesus is called “God”**

    Jesus Christ called himself the Son of God, as did his apostles.

    **and the Holy Spirit is called “God”**

    The Comforter ( Holy Spirit ) has a source of origin, and it’s origin is God the Father.

    **and the Father is called “God”,**

    Right,....a whole LOT of times in the scriptures.

    Is the Father in Christ or not?

    **ONE God manifest as three “persons”?**

    just three manifestations? Hebrews 1:1,2 says: “God who at sundry times and divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers and the prophets, Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom he made the worlds;”

    ..appointed heir of all things?....In a three separate and distinct persons Godhead, is the Father and the Holy Spirit going to be left with nothing?

    **In the Scriptures the titles are interchangeable and Jesus IS “God with us” which is why He can be called God the Son.**

    In the scriptures?......the phrase ‘God the Son’ is not in the scriptures.

    Jesus Christ says a great deal in the book of John about the source of his power and authority. He says that that source is the Father, and that he dwells in the Father, and that the Father dwells in him.

    That is why the Christ is called ‘God with us’. The divinely created man (complete with a mind and soul) has the omnipresent, omnipotent, omniscient Father in him, just as he said.

  • Equality of the Trinity

    05/16/2016 7:17:11 PM PDT · 59 of 117
    Zuriel to Greetings_Puny_Humans

    **The scripture does not say that God merely fills Christ or empowers Him.**

    Oh really?.....(and ‘merely’ is such an understatement)

    “For as the Father hath life in himself; so hath he given to the Son to have life in himself; and hath given him authority to execute judgement also, because he is the Son of man..” John 5:26,27

    Who again gave him life? and authority?

    “Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.” John 14:10

    Who is in Christ giving forth the divine words and works?

    “All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.” Matt.28:18

    Who gave him all power?

    Did the Son inherit his name, yes or no?

    Is God the Father omnipotent?
    Is God the Father omniscient?
    Is God the Father omnipresent?
    Is God the Father in Christ?

    Jesus Christ credits the Father for EVERYTHING divine. Perhaps you would like to prove otherwise.

  • Equality of the Trinity

    05/15/2016 11:46:47 AM PDT · 54 of 117
    Zuriel to Cvengr

    **Jesus Christ, the head of the Church, is also fully human and fully God.**

    fully human without sin = Jesus Christ (who denied his own human will)
    fully God = God the Father (in Christ, keeping him sinless, and giving him all power)

  • Equality of the Trinity

    05/15/2016 11:41:23 AM PDT · 53 of 117
    Zuriel to boatbums

    **Nobody claims to comprehend it all, but we believe there is only one, true God and He is manifested to mankind through the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit.**

    And Jesus Christ claims that the Son and the Holy Ghost have a common original source: God the Father.

    That’s why you find phrases like ‘Son of God’, and ‘Spirit of God’ in the scriptures. ‘God the Son’, and ‘God the Holy Spirit’, are not found in the scriptures because they do not properly define God.

  • Equality of the Trinity

    05/15/2016 11:33:40 AM PDT · 51 of 117
    Zuriel to Cvengr

    **He never defines the Father other than stating “I am” in hypostatic union.**

    Jesus Christ claimed his words were from the Father, for in these last days, he is the mouthpiece of the invisible God.

    He claims that the Father is in him doing the works. Do you believe that?

    If you insist that the flesh of Christ is God, then you must be a follower of the RCC or LDS.

  • Equality of the Trinity

    05/15/2016 11:26:20 AM PDT · 49 of 117
    Zuriel to papertyger

    Stubborn AND evasive...

    **Not a good start**

  • Equality of the Trinity

    05/15/2016 9:30:05 AM PDT · 45 of 117
    Zuriel to Salvation

    **His life.**

    ....which he received from the Father at the beginning.

    “For as the Father hath life in himself; so hath he given to the Son to have life in himself;” John 5:26

  • Equality of the Trinity

    05/15/2016 9:24:29 AM PDT · 44 of 117
    Zuriel to papertyger

    **Not really relevant...**

    Understanding the Godhead is always relevant to anything pertaining to God.

  • Equality of the Trinity

    05/15/2016 9:20:45 AM PDT · 43 of 117
    Zuriel to Cvengr

    All true. I have no argument with that.

    It’s the failure of understanding Jesus Christ’s definition of the Father that leaves so many confused, thinking of the Father as another physical being, sitting on a throne, somewhere out of our sight.

  • Equality of the Trinity

    05/15/2016 9:15:26 AM PDT · 42 of 117
    Zuriel to Greetings_Puny_Humans

    **Christ applies to Himself the name of God, calling Himself “I Am” and establishing His omnipresence:**

    Personal interpretation much??

    Jesus Christ is filled with the power of the Father, who is invisible. John chapter 14 makes that quite plain.

    **In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God (John 1:1)**

    Are you saying that God the Father is not the source of the Word? Jesus Christ disagrees with you:

    “My doctrine is not mine, but his that sent me.” John 7:16

    “For I have not spoken of myself: but the Father which sent me, he gave commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak. And I know that his commandment is life everlasting: whatsoever I speak therefore, even as the Father said unto me, so I speak.” John 12:49,50

    Jesus Christ is the image of the invisible God. An image that speaks the words of the invisible God. Jesus Christ is not God the image, but the image of the invisible God (Col. 1:15).

    **Rev_1:8....
    Joh_20:28....
    Joh_9:38....
    Isa_9:6....**

    All of which do not imply that the omnipotent, omniscient, and omnipresent (invisible) Father is off in la-la land, away from Christ. The Father is IN Christ giving him all power and authority. It is your challenge to prove that not to be the case.

    Want two visible men that are to be viewed as God? The LDS hold that opinion, thanks to their false prophet founder.

  • Equality of the Trinity

    05/14/2016 11:00:13 PM PDT · 34 of 117
    Zuriel to boatbums

    **Jesus said repeatedly He was God.**

    Correction: Jesus said repeatedly He was the Son of God.

    He never once called himself God the Son either. And neither did his apostles.

    God the Father is a Spirit (John 4:23,24), and not a man. Joseph Smith is exposed as a false prophet in that he claimed to have seen, and to have been spoken to by two men, claiming that they were the Father and the Son. Whereas Jesus Christ, Peter, John, and Paul all declared God to be invisible.

    The Father is omnipresent and invisible. His dwelling in the Son, giving him all power, is what makes the attributes of the Father visible to man. Jesus Christ credited the Father as the source of all things divine, also saying that he was sent from the Father, and that the Holy Ghost proceeds from the Father.

    Can you name one divine thing that the Son gave to the Father?

  • Equality of the Trinity

    05/14/2016 10:38:24 PM PDT · 33 of 117
    Zuriel to Cvengr

    **God the Son**
    **God the Holy Spirit**

    Those phrases were never used by Jesus Christ or his apostles. Are you wiser than they in your efforts to define God?

  • Equality of the Trinity

    05/14/2016 7:53:49 PM PDT · 32 of 117
    Zuriel to papertyger

    Neither Jesus Christ , nor his apostles EVER used the phrase ‘God the Son’.

    The phrase ‘Son of God’ is found about 50 times in the NT. The phrase ‘God the Son’ is not found in the entire Bible.

    Are you ‘Free Republic the papertyger’, or ‘papertyger of Free Republic’?

  • Could West Virginia Revival Spark End-Time Awakening?

    04/30/2016 5:23:15 PM PDT · 26 of 50
    Zuriel to NRx

    **Indeed. Pentacostalism is a very bizarre heresy.**

    The Pentecostalism that I’m aligned with doesn’t pray to angels or Mary. It also doesn’t alter the phrase ‘Son of God’, into ‘God the Son’, in an effort to define God. According to the scriptures, neither Jesus Christ, nor his apostles ever used the phrase ‘God the Son’.

    Changing the words of Jesus Christ and his apostles would certainly qualify as heresy.

  • Could West Virginia Revival Spark End-Time Awakening?

    04/30/2016 5:13:18 PM PDT · 25 of 50
    Zuriel to Bryanw92

    **Most Pentecostal revivals in the 20th century were the start of a new cult whether they were led by men or women.**

    Most?

    Care to list a few that you find meet your description of a cult? (You’re the one making the claim)

  • Could West Virginia Revival Spark End-Time Awakening?

    04/30/2016 5:09:20 PM PDT · 24 of 50
    Zuriel to Bodleian_Girl

    **Led by women? That wasn’t a revival, just the start of a new cult.**

    You mean that they did things like pray to angels, and to Mary, the mother of the fleshly body of the Son of God?

  • John Kasich to Orthodox Jews: Abraham, not Moses, the star of the Torah

    04/14/2016 11:22:24 PM PDT · 140 of 144
    Zuriel to af_vet_1981

    Looks like you’ve covered the ‘lost tribes’ issue if you ask me.

  • John Kasich to Orthodox Jews: Abraham, not Moses, the star of the Torah

    04/14/2016 11:20:09 PM PDT · 139 of 144
    Zuriel to Jedidah

    **Moab and Canaan**

    The bloodline is traced through the fathers, not the mothers. So Rahab and Ruth aren’t viewed as bloodline.

    Also, God told Moses that he is the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. He didn’t mention Ishmael or Esau in that declaration. The male bloodline of the Messiah was unbroken descendants from Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob.

  • John Kasich to Orthodox Jews: Abraham, not Moses, the star of the Torah

    04/14/2016 10:58:03 PM PDT · 138 of 144
    Zuriel to Jedidah

    **In Romans 10 and 11, the apostle Paul paints a rather lovely portrait of love for the entire Israelite nation, including those of us Gentile believers who have been adopted in.**

    Actually, Paul starts his lament about the Israelites in Chapter 9:2-4:

    “That I have great heaviness and continual sorrow in my heart. For I could wish that myself were accursed from Christ for my BRETHERN, my KINSMAN according to the flesh: Who are Israelites; to whom pertaineth the adoption, and the glory, and the covenants, and the giving of the law, and the service of God, and the promises...”.

    Paul made no tribal distinction. He simply referred to the Israelites according to the flesh. Yes, the Gentiles can be grafted in to become spiritual Israelites. But, Jesus made it clear that he was not sent to the Gentiles, when he spoke to the Canaanite woman. He followed the law blameless, such as when he told the healed leper to go and show himself to the priest, and offer the things that Moses commanded. He didn’t say that to the Canaanite woman.

  • John Kasich to Orthodox Jews: Abraham, not Moses, the star of the Torah

    04/13/2016 10:12:50 PM PDT · 84 of 144
    Zuriel to Olog-hai

    Many probably continued to be slaves. But instead of serving their Assyrian masters, many probably had to serve Babylonian masters, and then the Media-Persian masters.

    For what it’s worth, in the summer of 07, I was hiking in the Rockies, and was passed up by a couple of young Jewish looking fellows. They were wearing the skull cap things. I asked them what tribe they were from. They said, “Ephraim”.

  • John Kasich to Orthodox Jews: Abraham, not Moses, the star of the Torah

    04/13/2016 10:05:15 PM PDT · 83 of 144
    Zuriel to Jedidah

    So when the Lord Jesus said to the Canaanite woman:

    “.. I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.”,...

    ..He was not referring to the entire 12 tribes?

    Are you using the name of Israel as two nations: one Judah, and the other (so called ‘lost’) tribes, in order to achieve you opinion?

  • John Kasich to Orthodox Jews: Abraham, not Moses, the star of the Torah

    04/13/2016 9:51:17 PM PDT · 78 of 144
    Zuriel to Olog-hai

    **There is no “myth of the lost ten tribes”; that is Biblical and spoken of in the Bible.**

    You mean like here:

    “..So was Israel carried away out of their own land to Assyria unto this day.” 2Kings 17:23

    The writer seems to know where the ten tribes were at that time.

  • Man 'taken aback' by message on Starbucks cup label

    04/09/2016 9:34:37 AM PDT · 43 of 100
    Zuriel to Responsibility2nd

    I’ve seen the lines at these drive though coffee shops. I just shake my head at the addicts. Want to see the liberals and conservatives united in declaring war on foreign nations? Let those foreign nations that produce coffee beans place an embargo of all of their product to the USA.

    (I don’t drink the stuff, but my wife does, though she can get by without it. Many of my truck driving friends couldn’t function without coffee.)

  • Ted Cruz Tries, Fails to Explain ‘New York Values’ to Actual New Yorkers

    04/07/2016 9:56:41 AM PDT · 217 of 552
    Zuriel to xzins

    Because of comparing themselves with men, instead of God, the Methodists, Presbyterians, Disciples of Christ, Nazarenes, etc. are all rapidly dropping in numbers in this corner of IL, while embracing more and more liberal ideology.