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  • Mary, Mother of God, The Greatest of all Her Titles

    08/29/2015 7:29:32 AM PDT · 1,346 of 1,346
    Zuriel to Arthur McGowan

    **This reveals all anyone needs to know about how hate, or fear, dominates your intellect, causing it not to function.**

    So, when Jesus Christ ripped the scribes and Pharisees, he was letting hate dominate his intellect, causing it not to function?

    In your case, is attacking the messenger a form of hate? I’ve given you questions in the past, that you haven’t answered, but have resorted to the same style of response as this time.

    **You refused to say whether it was valid or invalid**

    Wrong. Read it again, and maybe next time you’ll have learned your lesson not use a falsehood about God in your syllogism:

    Mary, Mother of God, The Greatest of all Her Titles
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    Zuriel to Arthur McGowan

    **God was born in Poughkeepsie.**

    Invalid.

    God wasn’t born anywhere. God is a Spirit (John 4:23,24) and has always existed. Jesus Christ, John, and Paul, all declare God to be invisible.

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  • Hating Catholics–America’s ONLY Accepted Prejudice

    08/28/2015 5:28:26 PM PDT · 323 of 355
    Zuriel to vladimir998; Elsie

    **No. I lost nothing.**

    Really. Comments like that only prove that your tagline is showing the abundance of your heart.

    “Nothing from nothing leaves nothing” is a song, IIRC.

    (

  • Mary, Mother of God, The Greatest of all Her Titles

    08/28/2015 5:21:44 PM PDT · 1,335 of 1,346
    Zuriel to Arthur McGowan

    **You have no idea what Logic is about.**

    I just wouldn’t answer your weak attempt, at building a basis for credibility, in the fashion you hoped for.

    **The fact that a proposition is false**

    It seems that you’ve been consistent at proposing falsehoods, imo. But, that’s the result of the ‘traditions’ you cling to.

  • Mary, Mother of God, The Greatest of all Her Titles

    08/27/2015 8:34:30 PM PDT · 1,304 of 1,346
    Zuriel to Arthur McGowan

    **God was born in Poughkeepsie.**

    Invalid.

    God wasn’t born anywhere. God is a Spirit (John 4:23,24) and has always existed. Jesus Christ, John, and Paul, all declare God to be invisible.

  • Did God Send A Prophet to Rebuke John MacArthur?

    08/26/2015 6:57:00 PM PDT · 31 of 158
    Zuriel to Salvation

    **Thus, he is one of the biggest anti-Catholics around.**

    I don’t know about that, but he doesn’t deal with Acts 2:38 if he can help it. I know that, because I used to listen to him while commuting to a second shift job for a few years in the 80’s and 90’s.

    He’s got an authoritative personality to go along with his authoritative tone of voice. He has a lot of knowledge of the scriptures; right about some things, and wrong about others. But, his avoidance of Acts 2:38 proves that he hasn’t gotten past first base.

  • Mary, Mother of God, The Greatest of all Her Titles

    08/26/2015 6:41:13 PM PDT · 1,233 of 1,346
    Zuriel to af_vet_1981

    **Consider it a lesson as to whether a more Orthodox Protestant can correct the heresy of a devolved form of Protestantism if Catholicism is not involved.**

    You assume your position is right, without countering with scripture. The common accusation toward Prots in general, is that they started with Luther. No, Luther was just the religious Donald Trump of his day. He saw the need to correct wrongs, and got the publicity. He benefited greatly thanks to the printing press being invented 70 years before his ‘rebellion’.

    The printing press helped get out the Word, thus exposing the many unscriptural ideas held by the RCC. Up until then, it was easier for the RCC to try to silence the small pockets of true believers.

    Do you believe John 12:44-50 and 14:6-11? Do you believe Peter’s marvelous testimony to Cornelius, concerning Jesus Christ?

    “How God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Ghost and with power: who went about doing good...healing...for God was with him...Him God raised up...it is he that was ordained of God to be the Judge of quick and dead.” Acts 10:38-43

    God is IN the Son, without measure, as the Holy Ghost. The Father is the source of all things divine. Can you prove otherwise?

  • Mary, Mother of God, The Greatest of all Her Titles

    08/25/2015 9:30:23 PM PDT · 1,158 of 1,346
    Zuriel to Arthur McGowan

    Did you even read John 12:44-50 one time?

    You are just spouting your ‘tradition’.

    You like to use your three little sentences to claim proof of Mary being ‘mother of God’.

    Here’s three little sentences from me.

    Jesus Christ was sent from God the Father.
    The Holy Ghost is sent from God the Father.
    God the Father has one awesome utility belt.

  • Mary, Mother of God, The Greatest of all Her Titles

    08/25/2015 9:12:21 PM PDT · 1,155 of 1,346
    Zuriel to af_vet_1981

    **Any Christian should be able to freely confess these two truths. 1.Mary is the mother of God (with us).
    2.Jesus is God the Son.**

    Neither phrase is found in the scriptures.

  • Mary, Mother of God, The Greatest of all Her Titles

    08/24/2015 7:48:53 PM PDT · 892 of 1,346
    Zuriel to Arthur McGowan

    Also, if you think that the Word is separate and distinct from God the Father, then you REALLY need to read John 12:44-50,...at least 10 times,...very slowly.

    goodnight all!

  • Mary, Mother of God, The Greatest of all Her Titles

    08/24/2015 7:40:28 PM PDT · 891 of 1,346
    Zuriel to Arthur McGowan

    **Scripture teaches that Jesus is the Word (God) made Flesh.**

    Your like-minded sidekick wouldn’t answer this, how about you:

    Are the biceps, triceps, hamstrings, etc. of the Son, God?

    If so, then those parts of God didn’t previously exist before the physical manifestation. So, by your style of logic, part of God (his Word) is not eternal. That won’t float because the Word was with God in the beginning. WAAAAAY before Mary came along.

    It’s pretty simple. Jesus Christ is the image of the invisible God,...not,...God the image. Just like the scriptures say almost 50 times; Jesus Christ is the Son of God,...not,...God the Son.

    The true and very real substance of God, is invisible, and was in Christ reconciling the world unto himself. Jesus Christ, John, and Paul, affirm that fact.

    Cheerio!
    (it’s bedtime already)

  • Mary, Mother of God, The Greatest of all Her Titles

    08/23/2015 7:42:37 PM PDT · 784 of 1,346
    Zuriel to NKP_Vet

    **“Now as they were eating, Jesus took bread, and blessed, and broke it, and gave it to the disciples and said, ‘Take, eat; this is my body.’ And he took a cup, and when he had given thanks he gave it to them, saying, ‘Drink of it, all of you; for this is my blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many for the forgiveness of sins.’” (Mt. 26:26-28)**

    That’s great, but why stop short of verse 29?
    “But I say unto you, I will not drink henceforth of this fruit of the vine, until that day when I drink it new with you in my Father’s kingdom.”

    Is he going to drink his blood in heaven? Come on now,...your church takes it literally, right?

    The Lord also said that he would no more drink of this fruit of the vine

  • Mary, Mother of God, The Greatest of all Her Titles

    08/23/2015 7:36:08 PM PDT · 781 of 1,346
    Zuriel to NKP_Vet

    **Receiving the Eucharist is a live and death matter.**

    Does it wear off?
    If not, why repeat the ceremony?
    If it does wear off, how does one know when it has worn off?

    Look throughout Acts. It’s full of conversion stories. Do you see Peter, John, Philip, or Paul administering the ‘eucharist’? Nope. Pretty slack of them, seeing how they focused on repentance, baptism in the name of Jesus, and receiving the gift of the Holy Ghost.

    The Lord’s supper,...they knew it was a spiritual matter, not literal.

    **If you had an understanding of the Bible**

    I’m headed for bed, but your welcome to address my points, and answer my questions in #750.

    **you would run to the nearest Catholic Church and convert to the One, True, Apostolic church. There is no other. Started by Christ himself 2,000 years ago.**

    The proof is in the rightly divided Word. Not in some memorized catechism

  • Mary, Mother of God, The Greatest of all Her Titles

    08/23/2015 5:59:25 PM PDT · 765 of 1,346
    Zuriel to af_vet_1981

    **Before that, let’s establish some framework.**

    Are you wanting to discredit the messenger, in a ‘guilty by association’ style basis? Are my questions to you that hard to answer? If I am so wrong, regardless of association, you should be able to answer my questions.......without using an organizational ‘framework’, but just by rightly dividing the scriptures.

    Length of history, as an organizational ‘framework’, is not a sure basis for right and wrong. Stick with the Word. That’s the standard.

    Respectfully,
    Z

    (which reminds me, I need to get some zzzzzz shortly)

  • Mary, Mother of God, The Greatest of all Her Titles

    08/23/2015 5:42:56 PM PDT · 763 of 1,346
    Zuriel to MHGinTN

    Thanks. I have a lot of time at shipping and receiving locations, when waiting for an assigned load pickup or delivery. Or at truckstops, when I can study. I keep it simple on the road: no tv (not at home either), no internet, no smart phone. Just do my job, or rest, or study.

    This time of year I work more local, trucking on construction jobs. Home nearly every night, but usually so late, it’s eat, shower, off to bed.

    What people need to realize, is that the ‘spirits’ of scribes and Pharisees didn’t get left behind when the Lord began his church. They moved in, wanting their positions of authority there. Even being the assumed ‘preservers’ of the scriptures. The result is unspiritual teachings (but accepted by the people, since ‘those guys as so smart’), which the Lord, and the apostles, warned of. Paul warning of it as a present danger in his day.

  • Mary, Mother of God, The Greatest of all Her Titles

    08/23/2015 5:19:16 PM PDT · 756 of 1,346
    Zuriel to ebb tide

    **I’m not surprised, The Church of Me.**

    As an OTR truck driver, I can tell you that there are plenty of folks that have to have church ‘service’ wherever they can.

    I also know RCs that attend their regular church for the ‘mass’ alone, because they are taught that it’s a life or death matter. Many slip in late, and slip out after ‘mass’. I had an RC friend that liked the bigger RC congregations for the simple fact he could be there in time for the ‘meal’, and the leave almost unnoticed.

  • Mary, Mother of God, The Greatest of all Her Titles

    08/23/2015 4:15:51 PM PDT · 750 of 1,346
    Zuriel to af_vet_1981

    OK. I said I’d be back when I’d have the time (I have too many ‘irons in the fire’).

    Do you read John 12:44-50 and 14:6-11?

    First of all, the fact there is such a debate as this thread, proves that there is NOT a universal agreement between trinitarians concerning the ‘trinity’.

    Secondly, I know trinitarians that understand that the Father is the source of all things divine, yet believe that the Son and Holy Ghost are ‘separate, co-equal’ and ‘co-eternal’ with the Father. Many folks ‘see’ a ‘Father’, ‘Son’, and ‘Holy Spirit’, but don’t see the power structure that the Son teaches in John.

    On this earth, your soul is what is eternal, the body is perishable. Your soul is only made known to others by physical presense (manifestation), and the thoughts of the soul are made known by speaking from the physical body. That is how God has manifested himself; by doing so in sundry times, and diverse manners, SPEAKING to us by the prophets. But in these last days, has spoken to us by his Son, who said many things, like this:

    “My doctrine is NOT mine, but HIS that SENT me. If any man will do HIS will, he shall know of the doctrine, whether it be of GOD, or whether I speak of myself.” John 7:16,17

    The Father is the source. He’s IN the Son, without measure, as the Holy Ghost. Peter told Cornelius household: “How God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Ghost and with power: who went about doing good...healing...for God was with him...Him God raised up...it is he that was ordained of God to be the Judge of quick and dead.” Acts 10:38-43

    Here’s a list of words and references, showing who was the original provider of knowledge (and all other things divine as well):
    gave: 3:16, 10:29, 12:49, 14:31
    gavest: 17:4,6,8,12,22, 18:9
    give: 14:6, 15:16, 16:23
    given: 3:35, 5:26,27,36, 6:39,65, 7:39, 13:3, 17:2(2),7,8,9,11,24(2)
    received: 10:18
    send: 14:26, 15:26, 17:8, Acts 3:20
    sent: 3:17,34, 4:34, 5:23,24,30,36,37,38, 6:29,38,39,40,44,57, 7:16,18,28,29,33, 8:16,18,26,29,42, 9:4, 10:36, 11:42, 12:44,45,49, 13:16,20, 14:24, 15:21, 16:5, 17:3,18,21,23,25, 20:21
    will (noun): 4:34, 5:30(2), 6:38,39,40, 7:17
    will (verb): 5:20, 11:22, 12:26, 14:26, 15:26, 16:23
    word and words (actually there are others that should be included, but the Son made it clear in the following ones whose ‘words’ they were): 3:34, 14:24, 17:6,8,14,17
    work and works: 4:34, 5:20,36(2), 9:4, 10:25,37,38, 14:10, 17:4

    That’s over 100 references (from the book of John alone) showing that the Son’s source of ALL things divine, ALL power, ALL wisdom, etc., is from God the Father. There are plenty more alluding to the same.

    BUT......here is a question for you: With your separate and distinct persons of God theology; can you quote a scripture that shows the FATHER receiving anything divine from the Son?

    When you place the Father (Spirit) in the Son (divinely created flesh, with a soul), you have defined Jesus Christ in the simplest of terms. If that sounds familiar, just read 1 Tim. 3:16. (It says “God was manifest IN the flesh..”, not, “God was manifest AS flesh..”.)

  • Mary, Mother of God, The Greatest of all Her Titles

    08/23/2015 10:36:54 AM PDT · 724 of 1,346
    Zuriel to Arthur McGowan

    **Was Jesus lying when he said that if we eat his body and drink his blood, he will raise us up to eternal life?**

    That is switching the subject a bit, but is one ‘mass’ enough for eternal life? If not, how many are needed? Some of the most dedicated ‘mass’ partakers, that I know personally, are totally dedicated democrats; liberals to the max.

  • Mary, Mother of God, The Greatest of all Her Titles

    08/21/2015 7:46:41 PM PDT · 586 of 1,346
    Zuriel to af_vet_1981

    **You deny the Trinity**

    What....don’t tell me you’re going full democrat on me, and attacking the messenger? Are my questions that hard to answer?

    I define God the way the scriptures define God.

    God the Father.
    The Son of God (the phrase ‘God the Son’ is not in the scriptures).
    The Spirit of God (the phrase ‘God the Holy Spirit’ is not in the scriptures.)

    You seem to insist that Jesus Christ be separate and distinct from the Father. The only thing separate and distinct is that the flesh (with a soul) was created, and died (but God raised him up).

    You seem to insist that the Word be separate and distinct from the Father, when actually the Son declared that the words he spoke were not his, but the Father’s. Just like your words are yours (when not quoting someone else). But in your absence (invisible, if you please), someone can speak your message for you, if you give them the words.

    Do you insist that the biceps, triceps, hamstrings, etc. of the Son, is God?

    Jesus Christ, and the apostles John and Paul, declare that God is invisible. The Son is a visible manifestation of the invisible God, and created by God to display God’s unlimited attributes to man. And God has chosen to give this man all power in heaven and in earth.

    While I have much more, my time is extremely limited. I work tomorrow. But possibly Sunday I can do more.

    Recommended reading: John 12:44-50 and 14:6-11

  • Mary, Mother of God, The Greatest of all Her Titles

    08/20/2015 7:03:08 PM PDT · 506 of 1,346
    Zuriel to af_vet_1981

    You reply with questions. But they are not questions that answers to my questions.

    I answered this question of yours:

    **Do you affirm or deny that Mary is the mother of “God with us” according to the scriptures ?**

    ...with this question:

    Do you affirm or deny that Jesus Christ said: “..The Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.”?

    If you would have answered with a question like this:

    Does all the fullness of the Godhead dwell in Jesus Christ?

    ...you would have affirmed, in a question, that the Father dwells in Jesus Christ,.......because Colossians 2:9 makes that clear.

    **Do you affirm that Jesus is Emmanuel ? Do you affirm that Emmanuel means “God with us?” Do you affirm that Jesus is “God with us?”**

    Since all three questions are basically asking the same thing, I will answer with one question?

    Is Jesus Christ “God with us”, without the Father in him?

  • Mary, Mother of God, The Greatest of all Her Titles

    08/19/2015 7:01:55 PM PDT · 431 of 1,346
    Zuriel to af_vet_1981

    Jesus answered with questions. So do I. The answer is in my questions. You are welcome to answer my questions with questions.

  • Mary, Mother of God, The Greatest of all Her Titles

    08/19/2015 6:48:22 PM PDT · 429 of 1,346
    Zuriel to NKP_Vet

    **You “know Jesus” because the Catholic Church gave you the Bible to “know Jesus”. Now have a nice day.**

    The Egyptians preserved Abraham and his family during famine.
    The Philistines preserved Isaac and his family during famine.
    The Egyptians preserved Jacob and his family during famine.
    Ravens preserved Elijah from famine.

    They that hunger and thirst for righteousness shall be filled. That’s God’s promise. He uses any means he want to in order to keep his promise. Even an outfit loaded down with vain, unscriptural, traditions can pass along something true that they had handed to them.

  • Mary, Mother of God, The Greatest of all Her Titles

    08/19/2015 6:33:11 PM PDT · 420 of 1,346
    Zuriel to af_vet_1981

    **Do you affirm or deny that Mary is the mother of “God with us” according to the scriptures ?**

    Do you affirm or deny that Jesus Christ said: “..The Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.”?

    Do you affirm or deny that the phrase “God the Son” is never used by Jesus Christ, or the apostles, in the holy scriptures?

    Is it so hard to believe the scriptures, that show Jesus Christ (remember? our example?), praying to the Father, and never to any anybody else; not to any of the prophets, or to Noah, or Abraham, or Isaac, or Jacob, etc?

  • Mary, Mother of God, The Greatest of all Her Titles

    08/18/2015 7:07:38 PM PDT · 282 of 1,346
    Zuriel to Arthur McGowan

    The logic of Christ is that he NEVER, nor did his apostles, EVER refer to the ‘Son of God’ as ‘God the Son’.

    Their descriptions of the Godhead are accurate. Anyone that uses the phrase ‘God the Son’ has accepted an inaccurate description.

    Jesus Christ’s description of God in John 14 alone seals it.

    Jesus Christ is fully man (the original body being divinely conceived, although now a glorified body), and given the Spirit without measure (meaning he does indeed have ALL power and authority).

    The Son says the Father is in him doing the works. That explains it quite well, by the ONE who knows the Godhead BETTER than any other man.

  • Questions on Acts 1

    08/17/2015 7:55:17 PM PDT · 29 of 42
    Zuriel to imardmd1; LearsFool

    **Matthias was specifically not chosen by the Master to be of the original twelve**

    Neither was he specifically rejected by the Master. If it was SO out of order, then where is the rebuke by the Lord?

    Instead we see the Lord continue to establish the leadership of Peter, who initiated the commissions of the Lord when He spoke Acts 2:38 and 39 to the Jews.

    The Lord was with Peter, as he had to be present and laying on hands along with John, in order for God to give the Holy Ghost to the Samaritans (which happened probably a day or more after they believed and were baptized).

    He had to be present for the first Gentiles to receive the Holy Ghost.

    And the miracles:
    Told the lame man, at the gate called Beautiful, “..in the name of Jesus...to rise up and walk”. Acts 3:2-6

    Peter, by the Holy Ghost, knew that Ananias and Sapphira were lying, even knowing that Sapphira would receive the same fate as her husband; “..the feet of them that which have buried thy husband are at the door, and shall carry thee out”. (Acts 5:9).

    Since we are this close to verse 12, let us go there:

    “And by the hands of the apostles were many signs and wonders wrought among the people..”. BUT NOT MATTHIAS! (oops, it doesn’t say that, does it)

    On with that self absorbed, power crazed, Peter:

    The Lord busts him out of jail free.

    Some time later, Peter, in an upper chamber, prays, and then turns to a dead woman, and says: “Tabitha, arise”. (Acts 9:40).

    **Poor Matthias bore the burden of being the whipping boy at the center of Peter’s effort to do what he had been planning and working for all along: to establish himself as The Christ’s right-hand man and earthly vicar, and sole interpreter of Scripture, which religious power mongers have perpetuated ever since. IMHO.**

    Your HUMBLE opinion??? Peter’s effort?? Establish himself??

    IMHO, I believe he was just doing as told, either by the Lord directly, or by the scriptures:

    When the Lord asked his disciples who he was, and Peter answered, he told Peter (”Blessed art thou Simon Bar-jona”)that it was so, and that it was revealed to him by the Father.

    Unto which of the disciples did the Lord say: “But I have prayed for thee, that thy faith fail not: and when thou art converted, strengthen the brethren.”? (Lk 22:32)

    Is the real objection of Peter, his words found in Acts 2:38?

    Paul taught the same thing. I can go into detail on that, but not tonight. (A safe truck driver must get some needed rest.)

  • Catholic Caucus: Confirmed: The Body of St. Maria Goretti Will Soon Be Brought to the U.S.

    08/16/2015 7:42:23 PM PDT · 9 of 23
    Zuriel to Coleus

    “..the major relics..**

    What are the major relics? What are the minor relics, and why are they being left behind?

  • Questions on Acts 1

    08/16/2015 9:54:50 AM PDT · 17 of 42
    Zuriel to Jim 0216; imardmd1; LearsFool

    **..so we see Peter still being more or less ruled by his own human understanding.**

    It never ceases to amaze me, when I see people pointing out instances of Peter’s less then perfect behavior, how they are actually insulting the Lord’s choice to lead, AND the Lord’s ability to teach his choice to lead.

    We remember Peter’s bold claim to never deny the Lord, and his subsequent failure (which fulfilled the prophecy of all the sheep being scattered), and judge him as mediocre in his role as a disciple, forgetting:

    Who chose him,
    Who taught him,
    That other than the Christ, he’s the only person to have ever walked on water (I can imagine Paul treading water in the Mediterraean, wishing he could).
    Although wrong in his carnal effort to defend the Lord, was the only one to draw his sword against a more heavily armed force.

    So, in Acts 1:15-26, we find Peter referring to Psalms 41:9, 69:25, 109:8, and Zech. 11:12, to make the case for replacing Judas.

    Peter was certainly well instructed. Remember how John said “that even the world itself could not contain the books that should be written” (Jn 21:25), concerning all that the Lord did. We don’t know everything that the Lord instructed his disciples to do in detail. But, Peter points out these facts:

    “..and his bishoprick let another take.” vrs 20,
    “Wherefore OF THESE MEN which have accompanied with us ALL THE TIME that the Lord Jesus went in and out among us. BEGINNING from the baptism of John, UNTO THAT SAME DAY that he was taken up from us, must one be ordained to be a witness with us of his resurrection”. vrss 21,22

    While not of the original chosen twelve, it’s safe to say that Matthias was one of the 70 that were given power (temporarily, else they wouldn’t have failed to later cast out the unclean spirit in the one man’s son).

    Apparently Matthias had stayed faithful through it all (not leaving when the Lord said that they must ‘eat his flesh, and drink his blood’, like so many that left then).

    Is the opinion that Matthias has no epistles or words in the scriptures a reason to dismiss his position? Neither do several of the original twelve have words or epistles recorded.

  • Questions on Acts 1

    08/15/2015 10:29:38 PM PDT · 14 of 42
    Zuriel to Ruy Dias de Bivar

    **Paul was the enemy of Christ until God knocked him off his high horse on the road to Damascus.**

    There is no scripture to prove that Paul was riding any animal on his way to Damascus. He fell to the ground. That can happen when standing or walking.

    **The Holy Spirit was given when Jesus breathed on them before the crucifixion. What we saw at Pentecost was a verification of that power.**

    That opinion is more man-made interpretation.

  • The Dormition of our Most Holy Lady the Mother of God and Ever-Virgin Mary

    08/14/2015 10:30:54 PM PDT · 13 of 17
    Zuriel to NRx

    Were there any other witnesses to that event?

    I seem to recall a young kid, that also had quite a story to tell, oh, about a year or two ago, about his dying and going to heaven for a bit. Just sayin.

  • The Dormition of our Most Holy Lady the Mother of God and Ever-Virgin Mary

    08/14/2015 10:23:08 PM PDT · 12 of 17
    Zuriel to tumblindice

    Yeah, almost a cartoon effect. But that was apparently the style of painting back then. Kinda Shakespeareian in it’s portrayal, imo.

  • The Dormition of our Most Holy Lady the Mother of God and Ever-Virgin Mary

    08/14/2015 10:12:53 PM PDT · 8 of 17
    Zuriel to tumblindice

    **It looks like the little fellow in the right foreground with a sword (an angel?) is about to smite the other little guy.**

    He already did. If you look closely, you can see that the hands are cut off and still haven’t fallen to the ground.

    It’s a fanciful play off of the passage in Jude 9, where the archangel Michael contended with the devil over the body of Moses. Except in that case, Michael didn’t even “bring against him a railing accusation” (let alone pull out a sword), “but said, The Lord rebuke thee”.

  • T.D. Jakes Comes Out for ‘Gay Marriage’ and ‘LGBT Churches,’ Says Position is ‘Evolving’

    08/11/2015 7:49:36 PM PDT · 73 of 73
    Zuriel to fishtank

    **Your long paragraph did not explain the Isaiah passage.**

    God cannot be punished. But his creation CAN be punished.

    The Son was BEGOTTEN. He had a beginning. By being anointed by the Spirit Of God (note I didn’t say ‘God the Holy Spirit’), he had received power from God the Father to endure all things. God the Father has set him as our example, and captain, seeing the Father has given the Christ all authority. That power is the omnipotent, omniscient, omnipresent Father that is in Christ and Christ is in him,.......literally.

    Christ is the image of the invisible God; displaying the attributes of God the Father, to mankind, on their earthly level. Christ is NOT ‘God the image’, because God is invisible.

    Are you ‘Texas the fishtank’, or ‘fishtank of Texas’?

    **..solid, truthful teaching.**.......

    ...uses the scriptures to define God, not additional, man-made, definitions.

  • T.D. Jakes Comes Out for ‘Gay Marriage’ and ‘LGBT Churches,’ Says Position is ‘Evolving’

    08/10/2015 9:03:59 PM PDT · 70 of 73
    Zuriel to NoCmpromiz; fishtank

    I can answer EVERY SINGLE argument you have, in your defense of the ‘trinity’, with this simple fact: The omnipotent, omniscient, omnipresent God the Father is IN Christ. But, if you are so sure of your understanding, then answering the questions in this post should be easy for you.

    The Son said that the words that he spoke were not his, but the Father’s. Read on and you will see his testimony:

    In John 14:10, when Jesus Christ said, “Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the WORDS that I speak unto you I speak NOT of myself: but the Father that DWELLETH IN ME, HE DOETH the WORKS.”, was he telling the truth?

    Jesus Christ inherited his name. From who? When? How does someone inherit something if he has ALWAYS been possessor of it?

    Are you and your word two separate and distinct persons? (we are made in the image of God aren’t we?)

    Who’s greater: The Son says, “My Father, which is GAVE them me, is GREATER than ALL..”. 10:29; and “..for my Father is GREATER than I..”. 14:28.

    In Matt. 28:19 (“Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:..”), the greatest teacher of all gave the disciples that commandment, and they promptly went about baptizing in the name of JESUS. Now, first of all, note that he says ‘name’ in the singular, not ‘names’. ‘Son’ is a title. “thou shalt call his NAME Jesus”. Luke 1:21. Jesus Christ said that his name is not his own (John 5:43), And Heb. 1:4 says that he inherited it. The apostles knew what they were doing when they baptized in the name of ‘Jesus’. Do you use his name in water baptism?

    In John 14:26, Jesus said, “The Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the FATHER will SEND in MY NAME...”. So, what name are YOU going to use to request the coming of the Holy Ghost?

    AND........don’t forget Matthew 28:18; Jesus..spake...”All power is GIVEN unto me in heaven and in Earth” (that’s pretty much everywhere, and let’s see, who GAVE it unto him?......could it be the Father that dwelleth in him, and he in the Father?).

    Jesus praying to the Father (17:1), “And this is life eternal, that they might know THEE the ONLY TRUE GOD, ........AND........JESUS CHRIST, whom THOU hast SENT.” John 17:3. So, do you disagree with the Son, who declares the Father to be the “ONLY TRUE GOD”?

    Or this: How does a ‘trinitarian’ explain this: “But of that day and hour knoweth....my Father only” (the 2nd and 3rd ‘persons of God’ don’t know??)?

    You want the Christ to be the ‘Word’, separate and distinct from the Father, but what saith John the baptist (in the first reference), and Jesus Christ?

    John 3:34,35 “For he whom God hath SENT speaketh the WORDS of God: for God GIVETH not the Spirit by measure unto him. The Father loveth the Son, and hath GIVEN ALL THINGS into his hand.” The Spirit, which “proceedeth from the Father” (Jesus’ words, not mine), was GIVEN to the Christ without measure; unlimited, and in every fiber of his being.

    8:26 “I have many things to say and to judge of you: but he that hath SENT me is true; and I SPEAK to the world those things which I have HEARD of him.” 27 “They understood not that he spake to them of the FATHER.”

    47-50 “And if any man hear my words........He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day. For I have NOT SPOKEN of MYSELF; but the FATHER which SENT me, he GAVE me a COMMANDMENT, what I should SAY, and what I should SPEAK. And I know his commandment is life everlasting: whatsoever I SPEAK therefore, even as the FATHER SAID unto ME, so I SPEAK.”

    17:14 “I have given them THY WORD...”

    17:17 “..THY WORD is truth”. (remember WHO the Son was talking to in John 17?)

    Since sitting at a keyboard and using the computer is not a very natural element for me, here’s something you could do, and probably MUCH faster than I:

    Take every passage that has the phrase ‘the Son of God’ (there are about 50 of them), and replace it with ‘God the Son’. Then post them here to show that you believe that the phrases are interchangable.

  • T.D. Jakes Comes Out for ‘Gay Marriage’ and ‘LGBT Churches,’ Says Position is ‘Evolving’

    08/09/2015 9:30:11 PM PDT · 64 of 73
    Zuriel to NoCmpromiz

    **Out of curiosity, Matthew 28:19 - is that true?**

    Yes. Note that it says ‘name’, not ‘names’. But those aren’t names in Matt. 28:19, but titles. The saving name of the Father is Jesus, because Jesus Christ said he came in his Father’s name (John 5:43). The name of the Son is not ‘Son’, but Jesus (Luke 1:31). Jesus Christ said, “the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name..”. (John 14:26)

    Acts 2:38 was the beginning of the actual fulfillment of Matt. 28:19. Whenever the apostles baptized, it was in the name of Jesus.

  • T.D. Jakes Comes Out for ‘Gay Marriage’ [Matthew 13 - Great Last Days Bundling]

    08/09/2015 12:53:52 PM PDT · 45 of 49
    Zuriel to Jan_Sobieski

    ** The Father initiates all of these things.**

    There you have it! You just admitted the Father as supreme.

    Every single divine attribute that the Son displayed, he said was from the Father. So, every time you think you see the Son as divine, in a separate from the Father understanding, you are failing to realize that the Son is NOT separate from the Father, You can’t divinely separate them.

    You find a the phrase “God the Son” in the scriptures yet?

    I will be back this evening with more.

  • T.D. Jakes Comes Out for ‘Gay Marriage’ and ‘LGBT Churches,’ Says Position is ‘Evolving’

    08/09/2015 11:38:16 AM PDT · 55 of 73
    Zuriel to Lee N. Field

    **Jakes is a Oneness Pentecostal —> modalist non-trinitarian.**

    Those rebels, Jesus Christ and the apostles, weren’t rrinitarians either. They NEVER, EVER, (according to the scriptures) used the phrases “God the Son” or “God the Holy Ghost”.

    As far as Mr. Jakes........I know not the man. He may have started out well, became lifted up with pride, and has chosen the wide way.

  • T.D. Jakes Comes Out for ‘Gay Marriage’ and ‘LGBT Churches,’ Says Position is ‘Evolving’

    08/09/2015 11:28:51 AM PDT · 54 of 73
    Zuriel to NoCmpromiz

    **Among other issues, he’s a modalist...**

    Jesus Christ wasn’t a trinitarian, for he didn’t teach it.

    Read the scriptures, and find Jesus Christ, or the apostles and writers of the NT, using the phrase “God the Son” or “God the Holy Spirit” (Ghost). They don’t.

    God the Father is IN Christ, and Christ is IN God the Father. God the Father is NOT another image, but a Spirit, and invisible. The image of the Son is the image of the invisible God. It’s HOW God displayed HIS attributes to mankind on THEIR level.

    Everything divine flows from the Father. He has placed all authority and power in his Son, whom he has appointed heir of all things. The Son INHERRITTED it all, including his name. You can’t inherit something you’ve always and forever had. The ‘separate and distinct, co-equal, co-eternal three persons trinity’ is part of the Roman system. It’s that simple.

    I don’t know Jakes heart. I’d never heard of the man until maybe a ten years ago. I DO KNOW that ministers go astray; for Paul warned the Christian men that came from Ephesus (to hear him for the last time) that even from among their ranks would false teachers arise, teaching heresies, and leading followers away from the truth.

    You like John 14:6; that’s great. It comes from the same passage where he explains where his power comes from. Just read on through, say, verse 11.

  • T.D. Jakes Comes Out for ‘Gay Marriage’ [Matthew 13 - Great Last Days Bundling]

    08/09/2015 10:42:41 AM PDT · 35 of 49
    Zuriel to Jan_Sobieski

    **While TD Jakes was certainly a charismatic and powerful speaker, he never renounced his Sabellianism (or Modalism), a heretical teaching that God was one Person, not three in one. TD Jakes and other “oneness” pentacostals reject the historic and fundamental view of the Trinity.**

    You want historical? Read the scripture, and find Jesus Christ, or the apostles and writers of the NT, using the phrase “God the Son” or “God the Holy Spirit” (Ghost). They don’t.

    God the Father is IN Christ, and Christ is IN God the Father. God the Father is NOT another image, but a Spirit, and invisible. The image of the Son is image of the invisible God. It’s HOW God displayed his attributes to mankind on THEIR level.

    Everything divine flows from the Father. He has placed all authority and power in his Son, whom he has appointed heir of all things. The Son INHERRITTED it all, including his name. You can’t inherit something you’ve always and forever had. The ‘separate and distinct, co-equal, co-eternal three persons trinity’ is part of the Roman system. It’s that simple.

    I don’t know Jakes heart. I’d never heard of the man until maybe a ten years ago. I DO KNOW that ministers go astray; for Paul warned the Christian men that came from Ephesus (to hear him for the last time) that even from among their ranks would false teachers arise, teaching heresies, and leading followers away from the truth.

  • NFL Official: Footballs Known To Have Leaks ‘Right Out Of The Box’

    08/02/2015 9:04:49 PM PDT · 32 of 48
    Zuriel to big'ol_freeper

    The softer the football, the more convincing a pump fake can be; or the choice to abort can come further in the arm motion. The mechanics of throwing is refined science for guys like Brady. They notice instantly if a ball is not firm enough. Even the DBs figured that out. Refs just lob balls around. They aren’t trying to rifle a 30 yarder between two defenders, so it doesn’t surprise me that they wouldn’t notice the firmness.

    After seeing the football slip out of Brady’s hand on that one pumpfake/abort in the last SB, it made me wonder: was the guy used to having a softer ball that he normally has no problem holding on to in a similar motion?

    Oh well, small potatoes in world of much, much, greater problems.

  • Episcopal and United Church of Christ Clergy Praise Planned Parenthood for “Doing God’s Work”

    07/31/2015 8:16:33 PM PDT · 34 of 34
    Zuriel to Morgana

    The priests of Baal are still around. Jezebel too. Actually there are lots of Jezebels, just as there are lots of anti-christs.

  • Why the Orthodox Honor Mary

    07/31/2015 8:07:43 PM PDT · 16 of 76
    Zuriel to NRx

    **If you believe that Jesus Christ was both human**

    ...the part that Mary had something to do with.....

    **and divine**

    ...the part that Mary had absolutely nothing to do with.

    The Son of God declared that EVERY single divine quality he displayed was his Father that dwells in him. God the Father is a Spirit (John 4:24,25), and not a man; but dwells in Christ reconciling the world unto himself (2Cor. 5:19).

    Further proof: Neither Jesus Christ, nor his apostles and writers of the NT, EVER used the phrase “God the Son”.

  • Forgiven & Forgotten

    07/28/2015 8:30:50 PM PDT · 55 of 55
    Zuriel to ealgeone

    I asked: You believe that Abraham didn’t have faith in those promises UNTIL Gen. 15?

    You said: It doesn’t matter what I believe. The author of Genesis recorded it was in 15:6 that Abraham believed God. Any other interpretation is reading something into the text.

    The writer of Hebrews said:

    “By FAITH Abraham, WHEN he was CALLED to go out into a place which he should receive for an inheritance, OBEYED; and he WENT out, not knowing whither he went.” Heb. 11:8 (my caps ,of course)

  • Forgiven & Forgotten

    07/28/2015 7:36:59 PM PDT · 53 of 55
    Zuriel to ealgeone

    **This is the moment he believed God. Also notice that it was God who took Abraham outside.**

    So, you believe Abraham just took off to the promised land, that would be the beginning of his great nation, his seed becoming as numerous as the dust, just because God commanded him to? You believe that Abraham didn’t have faith in those promises UNTIL Gen. 15?

    **I guess Paul, writing in Galatians, also is taking this out of context for it is this passage he refers to in pointing out to the Galatians that we come to Christ through faith....and not works.**

    I repeat: Do you believe that Abraham didn’t have faith in those promises until Gen. 15?

    He sure knocked himself out trying to please somebody up until that point.

    Many point to Romans 10:9 as a complete salvation message, but don’t take into account: The epistles to the Romans (as were all of the epistles) was written to people that had already been born again:

    “To all that be in Rome, beloved of God, called to be saints: Grace to you and peace from God our Father, and the Lord Jesus Christ.” Rms 1:7

    Paul still writing to the church in Rome:

    “..How shall we, that are DEAD TO SIN live any longer therein? Know ye not, that as many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death? Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.” Rms 6:2-4

    Paul continues:

    “But God be thanked, that ye WERE the servants of sin, but ye have OBEYED from the heart that form of doctrine which was delivered you. Being THEN made free from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness.” Rms 6:17,18

    The SUBJECT of Romans chapter 10 is Israel, for Paul is making it clear that God can save them just as he can save anyone else. But they need to hear the gospel preached by a preacher sent by God.

    The keeper of the prison in Philippi was given an very brief intro to the gospel when Paul spoke the much quoted Acts 16:31. It’s the following verses that show that he was fully preached the Word and baptized.

  • Forgiven & Forgotten

    07/28/2015 7:18:50 PM PDT · 52 of 55
    Zuriel to Iscool

    **Actually the water baptism was never the impetus for receiving the Holy Ghost...It was always faith...**

    I never said it was.

    **They believed in Jesus Christ and were then indwelt with the Holy Ghost...Just as Christians do today...THAT baptism replaced water baptism just as Jesus proclaimed it would...**

    The following shows a LOT of proof that water baptism, in the name of Jesus for the remission of sin, hasn’t been replaced by anything:

    First of all, is it not right to believe on the Lord as HE instructs us to believe on him? He gives very explicit instructions in being born again, beginning with John 3:5-8. Then, at the end of the Gospels, we read his words of commission to his apostles.

    Matt. 28:19; the Lord commanded that THEY baptize souls.
    Mark 16:16; The Lord commanded to his disciples that one must believe and be baptized.
    Luke 24:47; The Lord commanded that repentance and remission of sins are to be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.
    John 20:23; The Lord commanded that whose soever sins YE remit, they are remitted unto them; and whose soever sins YE retain, they are retained.

    Then following those commands, the apostles preached Jesus Christ, commanding repentance, and baptism in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and receiving the Holy Ghost.

    Jesus has made it quite clear that if you want his blood on you, you must be ‘buried’ in his name.

    In Acts 2:37 (Jews) we find convicted souls asking, “what shall we do?”

    The ‘wide way’ answer seems to be, “Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and you shall be saved”. But no details, such as HOW to believe, contrary to what the Lord and his apostles specifically commanded.

    2:38; “Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost”. (note the position of the commas in the KJV.)

    Now I will list the separate DETAILED accounts of water baptism:

    8:12,13 (Samaritans) “But when they believed Philip preaching the things concerning the kingdom of God, and the name of Jesus Christ, they were baptized, both men and women. Then Simon himself believed also: and when he was baptized, he continued with Philip...”.

    Notice they ‘believed, and were baptized’. (sounds like fulfillment of the the Lord’s command in Mark 16:16; “He that believeth, and is baptized..”). They had NOT received the Spirit yet. Peter and John were then called to come to Samaria:

    8:16; “(For as yet he was fallen upon NONE of them: only they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.)”

    The Ethiopian eunuch: 8:35-38; “Then Philip....preached unto him Jesus. And as they went on their way, they came unto a certain water: and the eunuch said, See here is WATER; what doth hinder me to be baptized? And Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest. And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God. And he commanded the chariot to stand still: and they went down INTO the WATER, both Philip and the eunuch; and he baptized him.” (first detailed witness mentioning water used in baptism).

    10:46,47,48 (Gentiles) “...Then answered Peter, Can any man forbid WATER, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we? And he commanded them to be baptized in the NAME of the Lord...”. (care to guess what that name is?)

    AND, remember these words of Peter: “Can any man forbid water..”. That is the second detailed witness mentioning water baptism).

    In Acts 11 we find Peter back in Jerusalem, after the conversion event at Cornelius’ house in Caesarea, testifying of their receiving the Holy Ghost. With God giving them the Spirit, his hand was forced to obey God’s ordained plan, and baptize them in the name of Jesus for the remission of sins. Notice his testamony at that point:
    11:17; “Forasmuch then as God gave them the like gift as he did unto us, who believed on the Lord Jesus Christ; WHAT WAS I, THAT I COULD WITHSTAND GOD?”.

    God expected Peter to do HIS part, and baptise them in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission sins. Peter HAD to do it, for it was required by God.

    Under your ‘no works’ opinion, those souls were completely born again after the Spirit fell, so Peter had NOTHING to withstand. Also, he could have refused to baptize them. But knew he couldn’t withstand God’s command, for notice his words; “Can any man forbid water..”.

    Re-baptism in Ephesus: 19:5,6 “When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus. And when Paul laid his hands on them, the Holy Ghost came on them; and they spake with tongues, and prophesied.” (OOPS! Paul baptized ‘about twelve’ people, when he ‘wasn’t sent to baptize’. /sarc.)

    1Cor. 1:17 is a declaration by Paul, telling us that his ministry was not just baptism. Otherwise, he wouldn’t have baptized ANYBODY!)

    Now, the list of the brief mentioning of baptisms. You may argue that those are ‘Spirit’ baptisms only. Can you prove that? I say they are water baptisms, or both (and Paul is involved in all but the first of them):

    Acts 2:41 about 3,000 were added.
    9:18 Saul/Paul’s conversion.
    16:15 Lydia and her household.
    16:33 keeper of the prison and his household.
    18:8 Crispus (one of several Paul admitted to baptizing in Corinth. 1Cor 1:14,16)
    22:16 Saul/Paul again.

    Now, the references to baptism in the epistles, which were written to those already born again (note the intro to those letters; ‘brethern’, ‘faithful’, ‘saints’, etc. Like it or not, that’s the context).

    Romans 6:3; “Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?”
    4. “Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death:....” (That’s certainly not Spirit baptism, because the Spirit is life.) “..that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the GLORY of the FATHER, even so we also should walk in newness of life.”
    5 “For if we have been planted together in the LIKENESS of his death, we shall be also in the LIKENESS of his resurrection.”

    Col. 2:12 is quite similar: “Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the operation of God, who raised him from the dead.”

    Buried,...planted.....That sure is clear to me: Paul is referring to water baptism, and Spirit baptism, as separate events, and that both are required.

    1Cor. 1:12-17
    Now is as good of a time as any to address the inconsistancies of the ‘water baptism is not essential’ folks:

    When faced with passages that mention baptism, but don’t specifically say that it was water baptism, the ‘not essential’ crowd will say it’s not talking about water baptism. But, when faced with the passage in 1Cor. 1:12-17, then they wholehearted agree that it is referring to water baptism.
    (I have just taken the afore mentioned Acts 18:8 (Crispus), and solidly put that passage in the water baptism category.)
    Then there is the emphasis on the name, which Paul makes clear to be Jesus: 1Cor. 1:13 “Is CHRIST divided? was PAUL crucified for you? or were ye baptized in the NAME of Paul?”
    (Yes, Paul baptized in water at Corinth, in the name of Jesus.)

    But then the ‘not essential’ crowd totally disses baptism at times, using the “..Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the gospel..”; when Paul JUST got done admitting to baptizing several souls. Oh consistancy, though art a jewel.

    Heb. 6:1-3 is written to those born again: “Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on to perfection: not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God, Of the doctrine of baptisms, and of laying on of hands, and of resurrection of the dead, and of eternal judgement. And this we will do if God permit.”
    (Notice the ‘doctine of baptisms’ is plural?)

    1Peter is also written to born again souls. Look at 1:2, “Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto OBEDIENCE and SPRINKLING of the blood of Jesus Christ...”.

    1Peter 3:20,21 is quite plain, if you are willing to allow it to harmonize with everything presented so far. 20 “...eight souls were saved by water.” 21 “The LIKE figure whereunto even BAPTISM doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God.) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ.”

    Water baptism is not a bath, but is done in the name of Jesus for the remission of sins. That is how it saves. That is how one has the answer of a good conscience toward God. Being “buried with him” is where you get his blood on you, but his NAME must not be left out.

    If there is no resurrection, then water baptism is a waste of time. “Else what shall they do which are baptized for the dead, if the dead rise not at all? Why are they then baptized for the dead?” 1Cor 15:29.

    That’s Paul (the one who wasn’t suppose to baptize), saying that if Christ (and the asleep in Christ) rise not, then it is all vain. Of course, we know that is not the case, since Christ is risen, and the Spirit poured out.

    Being born again requires obedience, which is NOT ‘our OWN works’. As Paul said to the saints in Rome:

    “But God be thanked, that ye were the servants of sin, but have OBEYED from the heart that form of doctrine which was delivered you. Being THEN made free from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness.” Rom. 6:17,18

  • Forgiven & Forgotten

    07/28/2015 6:42:10 PM PDT · 50 of 55
    Zuriel to ealgeone

    **It was however the first time that God, using His determination, declared Abraham righteous.**

    Yes. Proving my point, that Abraham did a LOT of obeying, over the course of moving around the promised land and building altars unto the Lord, before being declared righteous by the God.

    God chose to declare Abraham righteous AFTER being obedient for quite a spell.

    **Do you have a different standard than God?**

    I’m just pointing out what the Word says about Abraham, over the course of several chapters, instead of just two or three verses, that you (and many others) appear to have taken out of context.

  • Forgiven & Forgotten

    07/27/2015 8:01:35 PM PDT · 43 of 55
    Zuriel to Elsie

    **That’s because Nathaniel was not a ________ yet.**

    disciple? He was already chosen.

  • Forgiven & Forgotten

    07/27/2015 7:58:13 PM PDT · 42 of 55
    Zuriel to ealgeone

    **5And He took him outside and said, “Now look toward the heavens, and count the stars, if you are able to count them.” And He said to him, “So shall your descendants be.”
    6Then he believed in the LORD; and He reckoned it to him as righteousness.
    Context in understanding the Word is your friend....**

    That wasn’t the first time God promised seed unto Abraham:

    God said, “..I will make of thee a great nation..”. Gen. 12:2

    Abraham apparently believed God then, or he would have stayed put in Haran.

    and 13:15-17: “..the land which thou seest, to thee will I give it, and unto thy seed for ever. And I will make thy seed as the dust of the earth, then shall thy seed also be numbered. Arise, walk through the land.......for I will give it unto thee”.

    Abraham believed God again, for:
    “Then Abram removed his tent, and came and dwelt in the plain of Mamre, which is near Hebron..” (from Bethel, just 30 miles as the crow flies,.........over the mountains that separated the two places. Also, when the word says that he removed his tent, I think it means he moved his home and the rest of the operation.),..”and built there an altar unto the Lord”.

    **Jesus said it was her faith that made her well.**

    I guess she didn’t need to touch him after all. Oops!......that’s when the Lord felt virtue “had gone out of him”. (the long version in Mark 5:25-34 is more detailed.)

    **Go back to Matt 8:5-13 with the account of the Centurion. He believed Jesus could heal his servant from afar. No physical contact needed.**

    Matt. 8:5; “And when Jesus was entered into Capernaum, there CAME unto him a centurion, beseeching him...”.

    In Luke 7:1-10, the centurion sent elders of the Jews to beseech Jesus to come and heal his servant, but by the time Jesus was not far from the house, the centurion sent friends to ask that the Lord only speak the word, and his servant would be healed.

    No they didn’t even shake hands, but there was a whole lot of physical movement by several of those present.

    (So, in your opinion, is speaking words not physical movement?)

    **Without faith in Christ, getting baptized only makes you a wet sinner.**

    True. So you don’t believe Acts 2:38? That would be like the rich young ruler, that was faithful in all that he knew to be faithful in. When the Lord told him to go even further, selling all and following him (that sounds like ‘works’, by the way), it was too much to ask. Many preachers today, have been faithful, in what they know. But when shown Acts 2:38, it’s too much to ask, for they have much riches (a congregation, a following, a nice home, paycheck, retirement plan).

    **Now, back to Acts. Go to Acts 10 with Peter and Cornelius. While Peter was preaching the Holy Spirit came upon those who were listening to the message (Acts 10:44). It was at this point they were saved. Peter then ordered them to be baptized (Acts 10:47).**

    Then there would be no need for water baptism in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins.

    **The blood of Christ, offered as a final, one time sacrifice, covers all of the sins of the believer.**

    Christ is the one that commanded water baptism, and also commanded “that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among ALL nations, beginning at Jerusalem” (Lk 24:47). Beginning?????....That began with Acts 2:38.

    **If not, Colossians 2:13-14 will need to be removed from the Word, as would a lot of other verses on our forgiveness.**

    Verse 13 starts: “AND YOU..”.

    “You”,.....who??...

    Right here:

    Col. 1:2, “To the saints and faithful brethren in Christ which are at Colosse..”. That, once again shows that Paul is addressing people that are already born again, just as he does in his other epistles.

    And why not include verse 10-12 in the passage?...with the very detailed reminder of their conversion in verse 12: “Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead.”

    Context is your friend.
    God bless.

  • Forgiven & Forgotten

    07/26/2015 8:22:41 PM PDT · 31 of 55
    Zuriel to terycarl

    John 1:47

    I forgot the chapter and verse for the previous post. Duh!

  • Forgiven & Forgotten

    07/26/2015 8:20:12 PM PDT · 30 of 55
    Zuriel to terycarl

    **Oh good, then we aren’t responsible for our own actions....I love it that way**

    Jesus used sarcasm when he greeted Nathanael (”Behold an Israelite indeed, in whom there is no guile!”), proving it to be an acceptable means of communication. IMO, you should enter a ‘general discussion; theology’ thread by using scriptural debate as your means of discussion. It’s also the tone, don’t ya see?

  • Forgiven & Forgotten

    07/26/2015 8:06:46 PM PDT · 28 of 55
    Zuriel to ealgeone

    **Romans 4: 1-8 NASB**

    Paul is addressing the works of the Law as not being able to wash away sin. Romans 4:3 is from Gen. 15:6. Abraham proved his faith by:

    moving himself, his family and hired help, tents and other hardware, untold head of livestock, a few hundred miles (the hard way),

    building an altar upon arrival in Sichem,

    building another altar near Bethel,

    escaping famine while in Egypt, then returned to the promised land (over 400 miles round trip the hard way),

    building another altar in the plain of Mamre,

    kicking serious butt almost all the way to Damascus (the hard way, nearly 400 miles round trip,...and returning with the spoil, which he didn’t keep),

    was blessed by Melchizedek, king of Salem.

    THEN, we finally get to Gen 15:6, which is referred to in Rom. 4:3.

    The woman with the issue of blood pressed through the crowd to touch the hem of the Lord’s garment, and was healed. She wasn’t healed just thinking that, she was healed when she physically proved her faith, and pressed through. To which the Lord said; “Daughter, be of good comfort; thy faith hath made thee whole”. (from Matt. 9:22)

    **Our sins are covered by the blood of Christ.**

    His blood is applied by being buried with him in baptism (see Acts 2:38).

  • Forgiven & Forgotten

    07/26/2015 7:41:15 PM PDT · 25 of 55
    Zuriel to Salvation

    **http://www.keylife.org/authors/steve-brown
    Hmmmm**

    You say, “Hmmmm”, as though there is something suspect in the author’s message.

    It’s actually plainly clear:

    The Holy Ghost (a requirement for being born again) was not going to come until the Lord went away.

    Jesus commanded conversion by being born again. Before he went away, He told his apostles how to preach it. All of the Lord’s commissions (found at the end of the four gospels) point to Acts 2:38.

    I’m sure this author is a nice guy, and even knows a lot of scripture, But he, like so many, didn’t go there. It’s hard to preach an ‘upper room’ experience if one hasn’t been to the ‘upper room’.