Mom, when I said: "So, what you are saying is that all the energy radiated in the IR band passes through the atmosphere leaving no net heat energy behind? Wrong. Some of the IR energy put into the atmosphere from the earth is going to be trapped in the CO2 as each molecule has to reach a particular higher energy state before it can re-emit a photon and not ALL of the molecules will reach this higher energy state - meaning that some energy [measured as heat] will remain in the system."
and you replied:
"You are missing the pertinent point (perhaps intentionally)."
"If CO2 were the *only* molecule with fluorescent properties, then perhaps the small energy gain the molecule gains from each fluorescent event would be significant. But we're talking about one single molecule, when fluorescence is a common phenomenon that occurs across the electromagnetic spectrum in multitudes of different molecules. The significant property here is not the CO2 molecules which both absorb and emit in the IR band, but the molecules which absorb slightly above the IR band and emit within the IR band. *Those* molecules have far more effect on heat in the form of IR radiation than CO2, which is still essentially IR neutral as far as its fluorescence properties go. I am aware of no property that is unique to CO2 and nonexistent or minimally existent in other molecules--including its fluorescence profile--which would account for its having a disproportionate effect on temperature."
Did you somehow think that you refuted my point? Which by the way proves wrong your statement that: "I have also not seen a scientific explanation of how carbon dioxide, a gas which is absolutely necessary for life to exist, has such an exaggerated effect on climate. In order for it to have that effect, it must have some unique physical property--and it doesn't."
CO2 has the widest IR absorption band of any of the major atmospheric gases which is why it has such a disproportionate affect on warming the atmosphere. This is the unique property that CO2 has. I provided a link to a peer reviewed paper that graphically displays this property of CO2 [because I know you have quite a problem understanding words, no matter how clearly and directly they are used.] Your response with this meaningless tripe above just further proves that you don't understand the physical processes at all.
A question for you Mom, do your walls of words usually work on most people? I explained how energy was always increased in the atmosphere when IR radiation passes through it and gave the reason [with supporting documentation] why CO2 is a major cause of this retained heat and you try to snow me under with your "fluorescence" BS. Seriously Mom, you can do better. Or maybe you can't. /* snicker */
And when I said:
"Where did I say "absorption/emission"? I said it has the widest and most complete absorption band in the IR spectrum of all the major atmospheric gases and the idea that this has a neutral affect is ludicrous. Do you put on a thin sheet at night when you are cold, or a nice thick blanket that will absorb more heat and conduct some of it back down to you?"
You responded with:
"Absorption does not happen without emission. You cannot uncouple one side of the equation from the other."
As if the CO2 molecules emit exactly the same amount of energy as they absorb. No, Mom, they retain some of the energy [which can be measured as heat] and there are hundreds of peer reviewed articles that measure this heat retention. You could actually go out and look it up yourself, but that might interfere with your self-esteem.
Are you sure you were never a Democrat, exDemMom, because you sure do argue like one? Come on, were among friends... you can admit it, you really were a Democrat at one time, weren't you?
And I like this response of yours the best. When I said:
"You do know that there is a reason that all of the many 1000's of climate scientist have settled on CO2 as their boogy man for reason, right?"
You responded with:
"What I see here is a perfect storm for Socialists. They've been trying for over a century to get us to give up our freedoms so that they can exercise complete control over our lives, and we've resisted. So, they dig up CO2, which is a byproduct of just about any process that humans can perform--and start claiming that it has this almost magical property to capture disproportionate quantities of energy and heat the earth--for the most part, their claims are devoid of scientific basis."
For someone that has called me a science denier you sure are a pot calling the kettle black. But I guess that for a Democrat you are just following Argumentation 101 - when the scientific facts are against you BLAME IT ON POLITICS. Good one not-so-ex-Democrat-Mom!
Here's another one of your Democrat argumentative techniques, not-so-ex-Democrat-Mom:
"I can't help but notice that you completely avoided commenting on the fact that CO2 levels in the past, when life began evolving (after God decreed, Let There Be Life), were in the percent range, vice the ppm range that exists now. If CO2 has such an incredible ability to raise temperature by trapping IR energy, then how did life survive in what must have been oven-like conditions on the early earth?"
Only a Democrat would think that this has something to do with my pointing out and proving with documentation and logical reasoning why your statement that "I have also not seen a scientific explanation of how carbon dioxide, a gas which is absolutely necessary for life to exist, has such an exaggerated effect on climate. In order for it to have that effect, it must have some unique physical property--and it doesn't." was wrong. You just said in your last post that "Global climate is a very chaotic system, with many many factors contributing." but here you are wanting to take one factoid from a chaotic system and use it to prove your point. I guess you can have it both ways Mom, it is the Democrat way to argue.
" And finally I close up with one more example of you arguing like a Democrat Mom. When you said:
"I also noticed that you completely avoided any discussion of what I described as an existential threat to earthly life from ill-conceived attempts to artificially capture and sequester CO2. Given that most natural processes occur on a logarithmic scale, the damage to ecosystems could be profound by the time it becomes noticeable. "
Your noticing that I did not choose to follow you down a side path and allow you to get away from the mistake you made when you said that CO2 has no unique properties that exaggerate its affect on warming the atmosphere you think that that actually makes your mistake a non-mistake. Tell me again not-so-ex-Democrat-Mom how you were never a Democrat - because it sure seems to me that a lot of their illogical ways somehow rubbed off on you.
The Angel of the Lord declared to Mary: And she conceived of the Holy Spirit.
Hail Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with thee; blessed art thou among women and blessed is the fruit of thy womb, Jesus. Holy Mary, Mother of God, pray for us sinners, now and at the hour of our death. Amen.
Behold the handmaid of the Lord: Be it done unto me according to Thy word.
Hail Mary . . .
And the Word was made Flesh: And dwelt among us.
Hail Mary . . .
Pray for us, O Holy Mother of God, that we may be made worthy of the promises of Christ.
Let us pray:
Pour forth, we beseech Thee, O Lord, Thy grace into our hearts; that we, to whom the incarnation of Christ, Thy Son, was made known by the message of an angel, may by His Passion and Cross be brought to the glory of His Resurrection, through the same Christ Our Lord.
"Hail, full of grace, the Lord is with you" (Lk 1:28)
"Blessed are you among women, and blessed is the fruit of your womb" (Lk 1:42).
'I resolve to foster fraternal charity in myself and in others. Therefore I resolve to take care never to say an unkind word. I resolve to bear up patiently with the defects and weaknesses of others, and as far as possible to hide them with the mantle of charity unless I am in duty bound to manifest them to someone who is in a position to correct them.'
St. Conrad of Parzham, resolutions in the novitiate
1 "For the kingdom of heaven is like a householder who went out early in the morning to hire laborers for his vineyard. 2 After agreeing with the laborers for a denarius a day, he sent them into his vineyard. 3 And going out about the third hour he saw others standing idle in the market place; 4 and to them he said, 'You go into the vineyard too, and whatever is right I will give you.' So they went. 5 Going out again about the sixth hour and the ninth hour, he did the same. 6 And about the eleventh hour he went out and found others standing; and he said to them, 'Why do you stand here idle all day?' 7 They said to him, 'Because no one has hired us.' He said to them, 'You go into the vineyard too.' 8 And when evening came, the owner of the vineyard said to his steward, 'Call the laborers and pay them their wages, beginning with the last, up to the first.' 9 And when those hired about the eleventh hour came, each of them received a denarius. 10 Now when the first came, they thought they would receive more; but each of them also received a denarius. 11 And on receiving it they grumbled at the householder, 12 saying, 'These last worked only one hour, and you have made them equal to us who have borne the burden of the day and the scorching heat.' 13 But he replied to one of them, 'Friend, I am doing you no wrong; did you not agree with me for a denarius? 14 Take what belongs to you, and go; I choose to give to this last as I give to you. 15 Am I not allowed to do what I choose with what belongs to me? Or do you begrudge my generosity?' 16 So the last will be first, and the first last."
At that time, the whole day was divided into 4 parts (watches) for night time and 4 parts (hours) for day time. The first hour is at dawn, the third hour is about 9 in the morning, the sixth hour is about noon, the ninth hour is about 3 in the afternoon.
At that time, day laborers did not actively seek employment, but gathered with their tools at the market in the hope to be hired. Being hired was considered a privilege. During Jesus' time, harvest time was most hectic since the grapes had to be harvest as fast as possible before the rain came, which would ruin all the unharvested grapes; a householder would need to hire workers.
One deranius was the lowest wage for a day of labor work, it would not leave a man and his family much of a margin. Those who still waited till the eleventh hour were desperate for work to feed his family.
The parable was organized carefully to enable the first workers to reveal their envy.
One Main Point
Jesus confirmed the generosity and grace of God: the Kingdom of God is meant for all those who accept His preaching and follow him to build the kingdom.
Examine your attitude in responding to God's calling. Are you doing it because of love, or because of expected rewards that God has to pay you? Contemplate the generosity of God through all the graces that He has bestowed upon you, including the grace of salvation through His Son Jesus. Compare God's grace with the value of all the works that you have done for Christ, how would one need to reward the other to be fair?
Sometimes you became arrogant because you believe that God has favored you over those of other religions, or over not so pious Christians. Perhaps you are those first workers who expect to be rewarded better than others, and you are obsessively contemplating those rewards. Contemplate your attitude in responding to Christ to fulfill your mission.
How did, or would you react when you perceived that God is more generous with others? Put you in place of the first workers, and contemplate your feeling and the way that you should react.
What Jesus teaches in this Sunday’s Gospel is one of those parables that rock our world and challenge our worldly way of thinking. Frankly, that is one of its purposes. We are tempted to side with the laborers who worked the longest, thinking that their being paid the same amount as those who worked only for an hour is unfair.
Think very carefully before asking God to be fair. What we really should ask of God is that He be merciful, for if He were fair, wed all be in Hell right now. We have no innate capacity to stand before God in pure justice; we simply cannot measure up. It is only grace and mercy that will win the day for us. So be very careful about challenging Gods fairness. In fact, when we see Him being merciful to someone else, we ought to rejoice, for it means that we might stand a chance.
There are other aspects of this Gospel that are important to learn from, in particular, the various dispositions of discipleship. As the parable unfolds, we can see five teachings. Lets consider each in turn.
I. The AVAILABILITY of Discipleship The text says, A landowner went at dawn to hire laborers to work in his field He went later and found others standing idle Why do you stand here all day idle?
What are described here are day workers or day laborers. These were men who stood in public places hoping to be hired for the day. It was and still is a tough life. If you worked, you ate; if you didnt, you might have little or nothing to eat. They were hired on a day-to-day basis, only when needed. This is a particularly burdensome form of poverty for its uncertainty and instability. Men like these were and are the poorest of the poor.
Notice, however, that their poverty, their hunger, makes them available. Each morning they show up and are ready, available to be hired. Their poverty also motivates them to seek out the landowner and indicate that they are ready and willing to work. The well-fed and the otherwise employed do not show up; they are not available. Theres something about poverty that makes these men available. Because their cup is empty, it is able to be filled.
We are these men. We are the poor who depend upon God for everything. Sometimes we dont want to admit it, but we are. Every now and then it is made plain to us how poor, vulnerable, and needy we really are; this tends to make us seek God. In our emptiness, poverty, and powerlessness, suddenly there is room for God. Suddenly our glass, too often filled with the world, is empty enough for God to find room. In our pain we stand ready for God to usher us into the vineyard of His Kingdom. An old gospel song says, Lord, Im available to you; my storage is empty and Im available to you. It is our troubles that make us get up and go out with the poor to seek the Lord and be available to Him. When things are going too well, heaven knows where we are to be found! Another gospel song says, Lord dont move my mountain but give me the strength to climb it. Dont take away my stumbling blocks but lead me all around, cause Lord when my life gets a little too easy, you know I tend to stray from thee.
Yes, we might wish for a trouble-free life, but then where would we be? Would we seek the Lord? Would we make ourselves available to God? Would we ever call on Him?
II. The AUTHORITY of Discipleship The text says, The LandOWNER said, Go into my vineyard HE sent them into HIS vineyard.
Notice that it is the landowner who calls the shots. Too many who call themselves the Lords disciples rush into His vineyard with great ideas and grand projects that they have never really asked God about. This passage teaches us that entrance into the vineyard requires the owners permission. If we expect to see fruits (payment for the work) at the end of the day, we have to be on the list of approved workers.
Fruitful discipleship is based on a call from the Lord. Scripture says, Unless the Lord builds the House, they that labor to build it labor in vain (Ps 127:1). Too many people run off and get married, take new jobs, accept promotions, start projects, and so forth without ever asking God.
True discipleship requires the Lords to call us first: Go into my vineyard. Got a bright idea? Ask God first. Discern His call with the Church and a good spiritual director, guide, or pastor.
III. The ALLOTMENT of Discipleship – The text says, The vineyard owner came at dawn, 9:00 AM, Noon, 3:00 PM, and 5:00 PM.
We may wonder why God calls some early and others late; its none of our business. He does call at different times. Even those whom He calls early are not always asked to do everything right now. There is a timing to discipleship.
Moses thought he was ready at age 40, and in his haste murdered a man. God said, Not now! and made him wait until he was 80.
Sometimes weve got something we want to do but the Lord says, Not yet. We think, But Lord, this is a great project and many will benefit! But the Lord says, Not yet. We say, But Lord, Im ready to do it now! And the Lord says, Not yet.
Sometimes we think were ready, but were really not. An old gospel song says, God is preparing me. Hes preparing me for something I cannot handle right now. Hes making me ready, just because he cares. Hes providing me with what Ill need to carry out the next matter in my life. God is preparing me. Just because he cares for me. Hes maturing me, arranging me, realigning my attitude. Hes training me, teaching me, tuning me, purging me, pruning me. Hes preparing me.
IV. The ABIDING of Discipleship The text says, When it was evening the owner of the vineyard said to the foreman, summon the laborers and give them their pay, beginning with the last and ending with the first.
Notice that the wages are paid in the evening and in the order determined by the landowner. The lesson is simple: weve got to stay in the vineyard. Some people start things but do not finish them. If youre not there at the end of the day, theres no pay.
Scripture says that we must persevere. Here are three passages carrying this message: But he who perseveres to the end will be saved (Mat 24:13). To those who by persistence in doing good seek glory, honor, and immortality, he will give eternal life (Rom 2:7). You need to persevere so that when you have done the will of God, you will receive what he has promised (Heb 10:36).
Yes, we must work until evening comes. Saying that we had faith and received all our sacraments when we were young will not suffice. We have to work until evening. An old spiritual says, Some go to Church for to sing and shout, before six months theys all turned out. How about you?
V. The ASSESSMENT of Discipleship – The text says, Those hired first grumbled We bore the heat of the day and burdens thereof.
The workers hired early think of their entrance into the vineyard and its labors as a burden. The vineyard, of course, is really the Kingdom of God. Many lukewarm cradle Catholics consider the faith to be a burden; they think that sinners have all the fun. Never mind that such thinking is completely perverse; it is held by many anyway, whether consciously or unconsciously.
Consider the laborers hired last. Were they having a picnic? Not exactly. Most were resigning themselves to the fact that they and their families would have little or nothing to eat that night. Similarly, most sinners are not living the life of Riley. Repeated, lifelong sin brings much grief: disease, dissipation of wealth, regret, loss of family, and addiction. No matter what they tell you, sinners do not have all the fun.
Further, being a Christian is not a burden. If we accept it, we receive a whole new life from Christ: a life of freedom, purity, simplicity, victory over sin, joy, serenity, vision, and destiny.
How do you view the Christian life? Is it a gift, a treasure beyond compare no matter its difficulties? Or is it a burden, a bearing of labor in the heat of the day? Scripture says, For by grace you have been saved through faith; and this is not your own doing, it is the gift of God. The passage goes on to describe our works not as burdens but as something God enables us to do: For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand, that we should walk in them (Eph 2:8-10).
So these are five dispositions of discipleship, as taught by the Lord in this parable.
Note well what the Lord teaches, for too often we want to decide what it means to be a disciple. Beware, for the worst kind of disciple is the one who gets out ahead of the Lord and tries to define his or her own role. Jesus is Lord; let Him lead. Here are some final questions for you: Are you a disciple who is glad at being called, the earlier the better? Or are you like the disciples who grumbled at having to do all the work in the heat of the day? Is discipleship delightful or dreary for you?
The song in the video below says, Im available to you. It reminds us that the owner still seeks souls to enter His vineyard. He wants to use your voice to say to someone, You, too, go into my vineyard!
Curiously Kim Il Sung (founder of the dynasty) had a Christian mother and knew Christian hymns. Interesting that he allowed Billy Graham to preach a sermon to N. K. Army officers. He may or may not have been inclining towards peaceful unification with S. Korea and an easing of persecutions,
when he “died” (or was “removed”) by his son, a more brutal version of his father. The grandson now rules.