IN:Gun Beats Protective Order

Gun Watch ^ | 17 December, 2014 | Dean Weingarten

[marktwain]

A protective order can be effective.  Especially if it is backed up with a gun.  Protective orders are meant to be backed with armed force.  The problem is that in many cases, armed agents of the state either arrive too late to be of help, or they cannot stay around long enough to provide effective protection.  But when the armed force is in the form of the person who asked for the protective order, the protection is multiplied many times.  In this case out of Indiana, the suspect, Jeffrey Frakes, had been released from jail the day before.
From wishtv.com:

According to the caller, Frakes had just been released from the Clay County Jail on December 14th, where he was serving a sentence for domestic violence against the 911 caller.

The resident of the home said Frakes entered the home and threatened to kill them. That is when the 911 caller began firing shots at Frakes with a handgun.

(snip)

Police found Franks at his mother’s home in Hymera, Ind. with two gun shot wounds.

Franks was taken to the Sullivan County hospital.

A Probable Cause Affidavit was signed, which charged Frakes with Invasion of Privacy, a violation of the protective order.

The protective order by itself was not enough.  An armed resident stopped the intrusion; the protective order was then effective as a means of legal protection, to put the offender back in jail.

It has become a truism that when seconds count, the police are only minutes away.  This is true, but it does not mean that police are ineffective at fighting crime.   They are necessary to provide backup for the armed citizen, and to enforce the results of due process of law.    If we had no legal system to back up an armed citizenry, our lives would be far more difficult and dangerous.  An armed citizenry and police are natural allies, inspite of disarmists attempts to drive a wedge between the two groups.

Most police support armed citizens; as more and more citizens routinely exercise their right to be armed, the support has grown and solidified.

People in domestic situations do stupid things, both men and women.  In this case, a violation of a protective order after just being left out of jail, is particularly stupid.  I pray that both parties in this tragic circumstance are able to learn from their mistakes and are able to put their lives back in order.  It is especially hard to do that from a hospital and with a felony conviction.


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[marktwain]

Domestic problems often have complex problems. It is not always a clear cut right on wrong.

But if there is a restraining order against you, do not ignore it.

[bunkerhill7]

Scissors Beat Paper Bullets

[gfbtbb]

protective order = mastrubation

[Fightin Whitey]

Scissors Beat Paper Bullets

Rock, Rock, Rock

[Tupelo]

:when seconds count, the police are only minutes away.”

Apparently, Mr Weingarten has never lived in the less affluent areas of rural Pinal County AZ. Here, it is;

“When seconds count, The sheriff is a half hour to an hour to never away.”

[marktwain]

Protective orders offer some legal protection. If you have to use force, using it against someone who had a restraining order against them makes it more likely for the authorities and/or a jury to find you to be justified.

[Secret Agent Man]

yup.

[Blood of Tyrants]

Teach your daughters to shoot because a restraining order is only a piece of paper.

[CrazyIvan]

“Teach your daughters to shoot because a restraining order is only a piece of paper.”

Wife- Ruger SR9C
Daughter- Charter Arms .38 Undercover
Sister- Walther PPKS

Sister is scary good with any firearm.

[sarasmom]

That's just inane PC BS!

Having lived through a noxious period of time being constantly harassed and threatened with physical assault by a deranged man who was displeased when I ended our extremely short relationship...and having followed all the supposedly sane and legal routes to stop it, I can state one true thing to anyone who encounters a maniac like the one I had to deal with (who had several “ins” with the court system)

Arm yourself, and discretely explain the situation to your own private network of good ole bad boys.
Then follow the ancient and basic, tried and true, 100% effective, SSS formula.

The primary problem with restraining orders, is that they are counterproductive. If they work to deter the threat, they were not really needed in the first place.
They rarely work when the threat is real and imminent.
IMNSHO.

[MaxMax]

They are necessary to provide backup for the armed citizen,

Should the day never arrive when an officer shows up during a defensive gun fight
and just starts shooting at everybody without knowing who is who. Has this happened
before where an officer who shoots somebody defending themselves, during
the confrontation?

[Ken H]

You get more cooperation with a protective order and a gun, than you do with a protective order alone.

(tip o' the hat to Mr. Capone)

[taxcontrol]

5 rules of a gun fight:

1) Gun beats no gun
2) Fast beats slow (he who shoots first, usually wins)
3) hit beats a miss (a .22 that hits is worth a lot more than a .44 that misses)
4) big holes beat small holes (as a general rule, go with the largest caliber that meets rules 1-3)
5) If one hole is good, two is better.

[trebb]

Police found Franks at his mother’s home in Hymera, Ind. with two gun shot wounds.

One may wonder why so many of this type perp (domestic violence) seem to have such a tight relationship with their mommies...

[GenXteacher]

Force trumps paper as a practical matter.

[marktwain]

This is a valuable lesson that everyone should learn at an early age.

That said, in this case, the paper represents the force of the state, even if it is slow and delayed.

[gfbtbb]

whip it, whip it good.