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Sorry, stoners: New study shows ‘medical’ marijuana doesn’t actually help with anything
Canada Free Press ^ | 06/23/15 | Dan Calabrese

Posted on 06/23/2015 3:03:09 PM PDT by Sean_Anthony

Which, of course you all knew, since you only pretended to think otherwise so you could get high without the pigs harshing your mellow.

Honestly, if you ever believed the nonsense that marijuana was “medicine,” you probably don’t have the brain capacity to process the information I’m about to give you. Then again, there’s dumb and there’s willfully delusional. You can have the ability to know better, but choose to embrace nonsense anyway because you want so desperately to get high.

I’d say that still makes you an idiot. Just that you’re an idiot by choice.

At any rate, you know that “medical” marijuana was sold as something desperately needed by the old and the sick suffering from cataracts and glaucoma. In reality, most of the cards approved by doctors go to 25-year-old dumbasses who claim to be suffering from “chronic pain” and “headaches.” The doctors know it’s a scam too, but they don’t care. They figure the public is sufficiently sold on this scam, and many of them probably like to get high too.

But it was only a matter of time before someone actually looked into whether marijuana can function as a medicine. And . . . uh oh:


TOPICS: Government; Health/Medicine; Politics; Society
KEYWORDS: cannabis; homosexualagenda; libertarians; marijuana; medical; medicalmarijuana; pot; wod
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To: dware

The only thing I might wonder about that ‘manic depressive’ person you mentioned is whether the pot CAUSED it

In small qualities it is very good for you. In large quantities (like anything else) it is VERY BAD for you and makes you so hyper paranoid you can barely function.

I know from first hand experience.

I quite 20 years ago, but I lived through the good and the bad.

If you drink too much alcohol you become an alcohol and there are symptoms associated with that.

If you smoke too much pot you become a ‘potaholic’ and there are symptoms for that. Severe depression and paranoia are two of them.

In small doses, alcohol has some good effects on the body- some VERY good effects and maybe this is why God had his son tell us “do this in memory of me”

In small doses of pot it cure seasickness, calms you, elevates your mood and makes you more creative, stops hair loss (seriously) and many other effects besides the ‘feel good’ ones.

Everything in moderation.

The author of this article needs a lesson in that- his smarmy comments are way over the top. It’s nothing but “you stupids, see how stupid you are? pot sucks and you’re stupid for thinking it doesn’t- will fully stupid, I can’t believe how stupid you are and that settles it”


21 posted on 06/23/2015 3:20:25 PM PDT by Mr. K (Palin/Cruz - to defeat HilLIARy/Warren)
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To: dware
It helps plenty of people. I’ve seen it first hand stop a seizure dead in its tracks,

That may very well be because there is evidence that people undergoing such seizures may have been exposed to before they are born, and the chemical has affected their development such that they need the plant version to operate normally, instead of the human created version of canabanoids which the body normally uses.

I've seen some indication that pot usage around pregnant women adversely affects their children. Autism appears to be linked to heavy pot smoke exposure during pregnancy.

I know a woman who has an autistic son. I asked her if she was exposed to pot smoke while she was pregnant with him.

She said "Constantly." My husband was a big doper."

I got her to ask another woman in her Autism group about pre-natal exposure to weed. The woman responded in the affirmative.

22 posted on 06/23/2015 3:21:08 PM PDT by DiogenesLamp
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To: Sean_Anthony

I’d rather have a beer.


23 posted on 06/23/2015 3:21:26 PM PDT by Uncle Miltie
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To: Pikachu_Dad
When has prohibition ever worked?

Constantly. If the prohibition against murder were not in effect, I can think of any number of people who need to go.

It is that prohibition that keeps them and i'm sure, others alive.

24 posted on 06/23/2015 3:22:21 PM PDT by DiogenesLamp
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To: Sean_Anthony

By that logic aspirin and acetaminophen aren’t “medicines” either.


25 posted on 06/23/2015 3:24:30 PM PDT by x
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To: Nachum

Until these d***heads go through cancer and radiation/chemo, then they should shut their piehole up.


26 posted on 06/23/2015 3:25:48 PM PDT by BipolarBob
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To: HerrBlucher

Find a naturopath and they may write you a script.


27 posted on 06/23/2015 3:27:39 PM PDT by shotgun
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To: dware
"It helps plenty of people. I’ve seen it first hand stop a seizure dead in its tracks,..."

Did you inject it into someone's vein?


28 posted on 06/23/2015 3:30:57 PM PDT by familyop ("Baxters over there, Rojos there, and me right in the middle" ("A Fistful of Dollars").)
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To: DiogenesLamp

I agree most aren’t getting it for true med needs and I do sympathize with your view.


29 posted on 06/23/2015 3:31:36 PM PDT by umgud (When under attack, victims want 2 things; God & a gun)
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To: Mr. K
whether the pot CAUSED it

In this case, no. This particular person had been dropped on his head as a child - seriously - at like 6 years old, he fell out of the back of a moving vehicle, and suffered a pretty severe crack on the back of the skull that his parents never had treated. Just recently, the docs said that his skull, at 32 odd years of age, is spreading where it cracked when he was younger, and a small portion of the brain is being squeezed.

He would have episodes where he would be stone cold sober, and start suffering severe panic. In his words, everyone was out to get him, and nothing he did personally could change the thoughts in his head. Every single time I witnessed these episodes over a 7 year period, it always ended the same: It would get so severe, and he would get so worked up, that he would have a seizure. Interestingly enough, after the seizure, it was like a reset button had been pushed, and he would be better for a few days until the next episode.

However, if he smoked DURING the episode, within 5 minutes the episode would disappear, and he would be smiling and normal again. And the seizure, which happened every time he had an episode, would never come. He knows full well how much it helps him, and that if he smokes, he'll balance out, but in the depths of the episodes, he always refused to smoke and had to be convinced to do it. Likewise with the medications he was on prior to the pot. The difference between pot and the Rx's the docs had him on? The Rx's would put him out 16-18 hours a day, and the time he was awake, he was like a zombie. Pot never did that to him. It balanced him out, and he would be just fine after smoking. It actually allowed him a more normal life than the Rx's did.

The most fascinating part about it is that my own wife was always completely and entirely opposed to pot, no matter the circumstances. Then she watched him, multiple times, in the depths of an episode, and she could see the physical and mental change it made when he smoked.

I don't know if synthetic cannabinoids would have had the same effect, or eating it, as we never did try it. I do know that smoking it most certainly did help him, and it helped immensely. After a while, he was comfortable telling his MD's that he was smoking, and they encouraged it.

30 posted on 06/23/2015 3:33:54 PM PDT by dware (Yeah, so? What are you going to do about it?)
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To: Sean_Anthony

The study says that they found either no improvement or little improvement for many of the conditions marijuana is approved to treat. It also says there is little quality data available to say one way or another. What is clear is that the study concluded marijuana was effective at treating chronic pain and muscle soreness from conditions like MS. Basically the most a drug warrior can take from this study is that marijuana is far from being proven the miracle drug it’s proponents claim.

Given that marijuana is proven to lessen the pain of horrible diseases such as cancer, the headline is a lie and the author is a liar. I guess truth doesn’t matter when you are an ideologue with a blog to pimp.


31 posted on 06/23/2015 3:35:59 PM PDT by RightOnTheBorder
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To: Prolixus

Based upon its current classification by the feds as a Class 1 narcotic, the feds have not allowed any widespread medical testing to take place. I can you first hand that when I use it for back pain and muscle spasms I get near instant relief and not some placebo effect.


32 posted on 06/23/2015 3:36:07 PM PDT by shotgun
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To: Sean_Anthony

Not every drug helps every person... I know quite a few people who literally use it to control chronic pain... it has fewer side effects than high dosage pharma pain control meds.. and isn’t addictive. It’s particularly useful for chronic pain that travels the vagus nerve... like gastric pain.


33 posted on 06/23/2015 3:36:45 PM PDT by Katya (Homo Nosce Te Ipsum)
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To: Sean_Anthony

There’s another article about the study linked from Drudge, so many millions around the world have also seen the news.


34 posted on 06/23/2015 3:36:46 PM PDT by familyop ("Baxters over there, Rojos there, and me right in the middle" ("A Fistful of Dollars").)
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To: Sean_Anthony

So the trillion dollar pharmaceutical industry adjusted definitions of proof enough to get a study made that has determined that marijuana is ineffective for literally anything, and a hundred million people are simply liars.

Well, that’s that, then.

:snort:


35 posted on 06/23/2015 3:37:18 PM PDT by Talisker (One who commands, must obey.)
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To: Sean_Anthony

Was that study done by government supported scientists like the ones predicting Global Warming?

I recall my mother’s predicament: To avoid sugar, she used sacharin (sp). But then the gubmint warned against its use. So she switched to nutrasweet. Later, the gibmint recinded their warnng on sacharin.

Who do I believe? Not gubmint researchers.

When a child goes from 25 seizures per day to 2-3 per day using marijuana, then something beneficial has happened.

Answer this drug warriors: Do you think the Federal government has a right to tell you what you may or may not consume? If you do, please tell me where in the Constitution that government right is located.


36 posted on 06/23/2015 3:39:44 PM PDT by Mister Da (The mark of a wise man is not what he knows, but what he knows he doesn't know!)
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To: familyop
Did you inject it into someone's vein?

All they had to do was smoke it. Stops seizures cold, and it really is a very amazing thing to see firsthand. I believe that if more folks had the chance to actually see it first hand, it would change a lot of minds.

37 posted on 06/23/2015 3:40:18 PM PDT by dware (Yeah, so? What are you going to do about it?)
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To: DiogenesLamp
If you think the War on Drugs is horrible, you should see what happened when a nation LOST the war on drugs. Believe me, the grass is not greener on the other side of the fence. It is dead and blacked by all the ash from the millions of murdered people caused by losing their war on drugs.

Newsflash: opium is not marijuana. Not even close. But I'll tellya what - antidepressants are worse than opium.

And I'll prove it: President of the United States Barack Obama. And in the wings, Hillary!

Not even opium addicts would vote for them. But people on antidepressants? GUARANTEED.

38 posted on 06/23/2015 3:42:05 PM PDT by Talisker (One who commands, must obey.)
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To: Mister Da
Do you think the Federal government has a right to tell you what you may or may not consume?

Conservatives are all for big government, as long as it's THEIR big government. In this case, you have NO RIGHT, according to Conservatives, to ingest MJ. Haven't you seen what it does to a person? Just watch that documentary, "Reefer Madness"!

39 posted on 06/23/2015 3:42:40 PM PDT by dware (Yeah, so? What are you going to do about it?)
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To: Sean_Anthony
I clicked through to the AP story the guy quotes and then to the actual JAMA abstract. That says:
Compared with placebo, cannabinoids were associated with a greater average number of patients showing a complete nausea and vomiting response (47% vs 20%; odds ratio [OR], 3.82 [95% CI, 1.55-9.42]; 3 trials), reduction in pain (37% vs 31%; OR, 1.41 [95% CI, 0.99-2.00]; 8 trials), a greater average reduction in numerical rating scale pain assessment (on a 0-10-point scale; weighted mean difference [WMD], −0.46 [95% CI, −0.80 to −0.11]; 6 trials), and average reduction in the Ashworth spasticity scale (WMD, −0.36 [95% CI, −0.69 to −0.05]; 7 trials).
I don't know, that looks pretty good to me. I don't know what all the numbers mean, though. Anybody who does: it say there was a "a greater average number of patients showing a complete nausea and vomiting response" and an "average reduction in the Ashworth spasticity scale." But the conclusion says "There was moderate-quality evidence to support the use of cannabinoids for the treatment of chronic pain and spasticity. There was low-quality evidence suggesting that cannabinoids were associated with improvements in nausea and vomiting..." How does "greater average number" turn into low-quality evidence, while "average reduction" turns into moderate-quality evidence?
40 posted on 06/23/2015 3:43:29 PM PDT by Ha Ha Thats Very Logical
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