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The purpose of what Putin is doing in Ukraine is to throw the West off its pedestal. This isn't about NATO or Ukraine, this is the big play to replace the current world order.
1 posted on 10/01/2022 1:40:18 PM PDT by Antioch
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Biden, Obama, Soros, Schwab, Gates, and fellow travelers are doing their best to create a New World Order of elites and their slaves. Russia is not part of this Deep State.

2 posted on 10/01/2022 1:45:47 PM PDT by Governor Dinwiddie (LORD, grant thy people grace to withstand the temptations of the world, the flesh, and the devil.)
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total BS, Russia can be anything it wants to be INSIDE its own borders!

Leave Ukraine and then govern your country how you wish, end of story.


3 posted on 10/01/2022 1:47:11 PM PDT by TexasFreeper2009
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The current world order is bad. Very bad.

My continuing position is that we don’t have a dog in this fight and that sending weapons to Ukraine is a mistake.

But, as this struggle goes on, and as I see the people lining up on one side another, it solidifies my sense of what is happening.

I’ll say it plain: I support Putin over Biden.


4 posted on 10/01/2022 1:47:50 PM PDT by ClearCase_guy (We are already in a revolutionary period, and the Rule of Law means nothing. )
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I've posted this again and again:

Just after the WW2 Tehran Conference, Stalin said to a journalist, (roughly translated):

"It's high time the Slavic race was in charge of Europe."

Putin is channeling Stalin, and hopes to succeed where Stalin failed

Never forget that modern-day Russian culture is largely derived from the Mongol hordes who over-ran the region in the 13th century. They never really left.

You're not Russophobic if the Russians really are out to get you.

5 posted on 10/01/2022 1:48:45 PM PDT by Chad C. Mulligan
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He should find a receptive audience in the American left.


6 posted on 10/01/2022 1:49:40 PM PDT by gundog ( It was a bright cold day in April, and the clocks were striking thirteen. )
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Exactly. What this speech wlso did was expose the Causus Belli discussed by the Putin puffers here and elsewhere to be tge bullshit some of us have caled out as bullshit from the get-go.

45 minutes and not one word about neonazis in the Donbas, not one word about Ukraine joining NATO.

It’s all about his butt-hurt over the end of the Soviet Union, the loss of status Russia experienced with the independence of its former vassals, and them choosing NATO and Europe over the bupkiss Russia was offering as an alternative.

The most impressive thing I’ve seen come out of Russia in the last five years is an awesome recreational ATV that Matt Leblanc was driving on BBC Top Gear. Broadcast went out this evening, by the way.


7 posted on 10/01/2022 1:50:46 PM PDT by MalPearce ("You see, but you do not observe". https://www.thefabulous.co/s/2uHEJdj)
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Replace the current world order with one run by Russian mafiosi and oligarchs? Sounds awesome! /s

Remember, Hitler claimed to be defending European civilization against the Bolshevik menace, and promised the Germans "freedom and bread".

8 posted on 10/01/2022 1:50:49 PM PDT by Campion (Everything is a grace, everything is the direct effect of our Father's love - Little Flower)
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The purpose of you being home-invasioned, beaten, relatives killed and your property taken is because your banker called the thugs a bad word. It will also prove they’re not in charge of things.

Use morality without labels or bigotry. Things are easier to understand.


9 posted on 10/01/2022 1:53:21 PM PDT by Justa (If where you came from is so great then why aren't Floridians moving there?)
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“The West is greedy and seeks to enslave and colonise other nations, like Russia. The West uses the power of finance and technology to enforce its will on other nations. To collect what he calls the “hegemon’s tax”.

To this end the West destabilises countries, creates terrorist enclaves and most of all seeks to deprive other countries of sovereignty. It is this “avarice” and desire to preserve its power that is the reason for the “hybrid war” the collective West is “waging on Russia”. They want us to be a “colony”. They do not want us to be free, they want Russians to be a mob of soulless slaves - direct quote.”

LOL. Of course. It’s our fault.


12 posted on 10/01/2022 1:53:53 PM PDT by plain talk
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And in the meantime, Putin’s closest friends and allies are suffering fatal accidents.


13 posted on 10/01/2022 1:55:36 PM PDT by ryderann
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Russia is not my enemy. They are not (or were not, before neocon swine in DC took total control) an enemy to the United States.

I will not be gas-lighted, shamed, or propagandized into it.


14 posted on 10/01/2022 1:56:52 PM PDT by PGR88
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We, the world in general, have spent the last thirty years in a golden age. PaxAmericana is the reason the world has globalized, and technology and food has spread to areas that, if left in the old order, would be mere backwaters where disease and starvation rule. America has tired of being the world’s police and we are heading into an era of introspection. This, more than anything, is why Russia was able to invade Ukraine. Especially after America’s disastrous rout in leaving Afghanistan, signaling, if not weakness than poor leadership. That was the signal that spurred Putin into action.

America still wants out, but, apparently, as long as Ukrainians are willing to die than America is willing to provide the weapons. Win, lose or draw, I think America has already gone home. It will be interesting to see what the next Congress does in funding.

Without American power the world is going to fall back into a bunchy of feuding empires. The Ukraine war is just the first. Soon starvation will cause Egypt to attack other countries who are beginning to tap the Nile’s waters that flow through their lands. The Chinese will want to secure oil closer to home. India will do whatever it is India wants. Russia will, also win or lose, fall into a new dark age.


15 posted on 10/01/2022 1:56:58 PM PDT by Gen.Blather (Wait! I said that out loud? )
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Personally, I am not big on instigating nuclear world war over:

1: the 143rd border change in “The Ukraine” (which means “The Borderland” in all local languages, and was NEVER a sovereign nation before 1991 and the breakup of the USSR), and

2: To force every nation on earth to accept teachers teaching perversion to children, encouraging them to “switch genders,” with chemical sterilization and gender mutilation pushed hard for all the little ones, the wishes of their parents be damned.

Who said this? Not Joe Biden, or Macron, or Trudeau, etc etc:

“Let’s answer some very simple questions for ourselves. Now I would like to return to what I said and want to address also all citizens of the country – not just the colleagues that are in the hall – but all citizens of Russia: do we want to have here, in our country, in Russia, “parent number one, parent number two and parent number three” (they have completely lost it!) instead of mother and father? Do we want our schools to impose on our children, from their earliest days in school, perversions that lead to degradation and extinction? Do we want to drum into their heads the ideas that certain other genders exist along with women and men and to offer them gender reassignment surgery? Is that what we want for our country and our children? This is all unacceptable to us. We have a different future of our own.

“Let me repeat that the dictatorship of the Western elites targets all societies, including the citizens of Western countries themselves. This is a challenge to all. This complete renunciation of what it means to be human, the overthrow of faith and traditional values, and the suppression of freedom are coming to resemble a “religion in reverse” – pure Satanism. Exposing false messiahs, Jesus Christ said in the Sermon on the Mount: “By their fruits ye shall know them.” These poisonous fruits are already obvious to people, and not only in our country but also in all countries, including many people in the West itself.”

[No wonder the Woke LGBTQIA+ U.S. military can’t meet recruiting goals: nobody wants to fight for Globo Homo, to fly the LGBTQIA+ flag over the world.]


20 posted on 10/01/2022 1:58:54 PM PDT by Travis McGee (EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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There doesn’t seem to be a way to comment/ask directly — maybe if I chased it to his substack, but anyway I prefer FR so I’ll ask here.

Several times in the speech there’s a reference to “the West” or “Western elites.” From over here when I read that I interpret this as the EU + USA “deep state” or “uniparty” whichever phrase turns your fancy, and behind those the power brokers/billionaires whose stated agenda the politicians seem eager to implement (WEF, Soros, Roshschilds, take your pick or others or none). I would very much include Germany, or at least the Germans in power there, in that group and have long considered the EU a sort of 4th Reich of Germany with France as a neo-vichy state.

However in the speech there are several references to “the West” beating the snot out of Germany including a direct reference to Dresden, and to “the West” using nukes ...

...so for people more familiar with the Russian mindset, do you think he means the amalgam of western elitist groups, or is this longhand for “the USA,” or what?


22 posted on 10/01/2022 1:59:57 PM PDT by No.6
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So according to Elon Musk he is not the richest man in the world. Elon claims that title is owned by Vlad Putin and you are telling us that Vlad's main complaint about the West is:

The West is greedy and seeks to enslave and colonise other nations, like Russia.

What are you a comedian? LOL

23 posted on 10/01/2022 2:00:35 PM PDT by hflynn ( )
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Putin is trying to make this about the west because bit by bit his corrupt and fake army is being destroyed by Ukrainian farmers. It’s much more palatable for Russians to lose to NATO than Ukraine. They’ve done that once already after all.


24 posted on 10/01/2022 2:01:27 PM PDT by lodi90
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“They have abandoned religion and embraced Satanism.”

_________

Yes.


27 posted on 10/01/2022 2:01:40 PM PDT by jacknhoo ( Luke 12:51; Think ye, that I am come to give peace on earth? I tell you, no; but separation.)
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So, just because you want to, you’ve taken over Crimea and now want to settle for just the piece of Ukraine you have military control over after your unprovoked military invasion into their sovereign territory.

Putin is gonna do what Putin’s gonna do because he can and he wants to do it.

You better be praying that whomever may actually be in command of the US and NATO better have their sh!t wired tight at this very moment.


29 posted on 10/01/2022 2:02:22 PM PDT by Delta 21 (MAGA Republican is my pronoun.)
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I think the speech was excellent and spot on. It is a real tragedy for the world that Western rulers have managed to brain wash their citizens. Russophobia is about as warranted as Trump Derangement Syndrome. But, in both cases Deep State requires this to maintain and increase their power. Putin and Trump are a real threat to them.

The Russian people are very fortunate to have such an exceptional leader. It has been amazing what he has managed to accomplish in the last two decades as their leader. Every financial and societal metric has improved substantially since he took office. It is no wonder that he still gets very high approval ratings. I am green with envy that they get him and we are stuck with a demented mummy...:-(


32 posted on 10/01/2022 2:03:54 PM PDT by Cathi
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Putin’s ‘Satanism’ Speech Compared to Rhetoric From MAGA Republicans
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“Do we really want, here, in our country, in Russia, instead of ‘mum’ and ‘dad,’ to have ‘parent No. 1,’ ‘parent No. 2,’ ‘No. 3’?” Putin said. “Have they gone completely insane? Do we really want ... it drilled into children in our schools ... that there are supposedly genders besides women and men, and [children to be] offered the chance to undergo sex change operations?”

https://www.newsweek.com/putins-satanism-speech-compared-rhetoric-maga-republicans-1748094


34 posted on 10/01/2022 2:07:09 PM PDT by McGruff (Don't underestimate Joe's ability to f*** things up - Barack Obama)
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