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Posted on 01/06/2024 3:37:30 AM PST by daniel1212
ChatGPT https://poe.com/, analysis of Genesis 3, of tactics of the devil, and how it relates to political rulers (asked last night).
[Question] In the Bible, the devil (Lucifer, Satan, the serpent ) is described as a selfish being, seeking dominion and power (Isaiah 14:13, 14; John 10:10) After being cast down from Heaven due to his selfish presumptuous assertion that he would take his place on his creators throne (seat of power), he was cast down to earth where he tempted Eve - the first women, and husband of Adam and who had been given dominion over the earth - to disobey God by consuming fruit which God forbade the humans to eat, least they experience spiritual death, and eventually physical death.
Read the following, and tell me what you think the devil's tactic was using psychology on Eve:
Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the Lord God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden? And the woman said unto the serpent, We may eat of the fruit of the trees of the garden: But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die. And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die: For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil. And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat. And the eyes of them both were opened, and they knew that they were naked; and they sewed fig leaves together, and made themselves aprons. (Genesis 3:1-7)
ChatGPT PoeIn the passage you provided from Genesis 3:1-7, the devil, portrayed as the serpent, employs several tactics to deceive and tempt Eve. Let's analyze the tactics and their psychological aspects:
Questioning and Distorting God's Word: The serpent begins by questioning God's command and distorting it. By asking, "Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?" the serpent subtly plants doubt and misrepresents God's instructions. This tactic aims to undermine Eve's trust in God's authority and create confusion.
Denying Consequences: The serpent contradicts God's warning of death, saying, "Ye shall not surely die." By denying the consequences of disobedience, the devil seeks to minimize the seriousness of the act and deceive Eve into believing that disobedience will not bring negative outcomes.
Appeal to Self-Interest and Desire: The serpent appeals to Eve's desires by suggesting that eating the forbidden fruit will make her wise and like a god. This tactic plays on human curiosity, ambition, and the desire for power and knowledge. It creates a sense of self-importance and entices Eve to prioritize her own desires over obedience to God.
Observation and Manipulation: The serpent highlights the visual appeal of the fruit, saying that it was good for food and pleasant to the eyes. By emphasizing these physical attributes, the serpent manipulates Eve's senses and influences her decision-making.
Influence through Social Dynamics: Eve's decision to eat the fruit and share it with Adam may also be influenced by social dynamics and the desire to please others. Seeing that the fruit was desirable, Eve may have felt compelled to conform or to share the experience with Adam.
These psychological tactics employed by the devil in the story aim to exploit human vulnerabilities, such as curiosity, self-interest, and the desire for knowledge and power. By distorting truth, appealing to desires, manipulating perceptions, and leveraging social dynamics, the devil successfully tempts Eve into disobeying God's command.
Good, but you failed to see why the devil would do this, and that the devil appealed the the human's strong innate sense of justice, whereby he inferred that she was being selfishly deprived by God of an attribute of deity due to being forbidden to eat of that enlightening fruit, and thus she was a victim of injustice, and thus she would be justified in consuming it, out of self-interest.
ChatGPT PoeThank you for your additional insight. You are correct that the devil's tactic in appealing to the innate sense of justice is an important aspect to consider. By suggesting that God was unjustly withholding knowledge and power from Eve by forbidding her to eat the fruit, the devil sought to create a sense of perceived injustice and victimhood. This tactic aimed to manipulate Eve's perception of her situation, making her more inclined to act out of self-interest and seek what she believed she deserved.
By framing the situation as an unjust restriction placed upon Eve, the devil aimed to foster a feeling of entitlement and a desire for autonomy. This appeal to justice, combined with the allure of acquiring wisdom and god-like attributes, further enticed Eve to prioritize her own desires over obedience to God's command.
Understanding the psychological tactics employed by the devil, including the appeal to innate senses of justice and self-interest, provides insights into the complexities of human decision-making and vulnerability to manipulation. It serves as a cautionary tale about the importance of discernment and resisting temptations that exploit our innate desires.
Quite astute. Do you see the same psychological tactic basically being employed by persons seeking political power, by inculcating a victim entitlement mentality among classes, by focusing and magnifying (and or imagining) injustices done to them, whereby the political entities obtain power by promising deliverance, to obtain them their due (at the expense of others of who provide income, who are portrayed as oppressors), yet the "victim" do not end up better off overall. Can you think of any historical figures or movements that basically correspond to this description?
ChatGPT PoeYes, the tactic you described of inculcating a victim entitlement mentality, magnifying perceived injustices, and promising deliverance in order to gain political power has been observed throughout history. Several historical figures and movements can be identified as fitting this description. Here are a few examples:
Populist movements: Populist leaders often tap into the grievances and frustrations of certain groups and portray them as victims of an elite or oppressive establishment. They promise to fight for the rights and interests of the common people, presenting themselves as their champion. Examples of populist movements include leaders like Juan Perón in Argentina, Hugo Chávez in Venezuela, and more recently, some political movements in various countries around the world.
Nationalist movements: Nationalist leaders sometimes use a similar approach, emphasizing a sense of victimhood or perceived historical injustices inflicted on their nation or ethnic group. They rally support by promising to restore power, pride, and prosperity to their people. Historical figures like Adolf Hitler in Nazi Germany and Benito Mussolini in Fascist Italy used nationalist narratives to gain power and control.
Communist movements: Communist revolutions and movements have often framed the struggle of the working class against the bourgeoisie as a fight for justice and equality. They portray the working class as victims of exploitation, promising to create a fairer society by redistributing wealth and power. Examples include figures like Vladimir Lenin in the Russian Revolution and Mao Zedong in the Chinese Communist Revolution.
It's important to note that while these movements may initially gain support by appealing to a sense of victimhood and promising change, the outcomes and impact on society can vary greatly. Some movements have brought about positive changes, while others have led to authoritarian regimes or worsened socio-economic conditions. Each historical context is complex, and it's important to consider multiple factors when analyzing these movements and their consequences.
Pretty good, but I forgot to add that in contrast to Jesus Christ, who sacrificially worked to delivered the oppressed, and to provide redemption solely on His own expense, and required and enabled moral and productive betterment, the aforementioned political power seekers usually are overall selfish, besides immoral, and keep their voting base much in the same condition there were in before. And 'By their fruit you will know them."
ChatGPT PoeThank you for highlighting the contrast between the approach of Jesus Christ and some political power seekers. Indeed, Jesus Christ is often depicted as a selfless figure who worked to deliver the oppressed and provide redemption through his sacrificial actions. His teachings emphasized moral values and personal transformation.
In contrast, some political power seekers may prioritize their own interests and maintain their voting base in a dependent or disadvantaged condition rather than promoting genuine improvement. This can be seen as a manipulation tactic to secure their own power and control. The quote "By their fruit, you will know them" from the Bible (Matthew 7:20) encourages evaluating individuals or movements based on their actions and outcomes rather than their words or promises alone.
Examining the impact and results of political movements and leaders is essential in understanding their true intentions and their commitment to the betterment of society. It's important to assess whether their actions align with their stated goals and whether they genuinely empower and uplift those they claim to represent.
Good analysis. Thanks
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Interesting that it’s focused on here and Now. Eternity past and future seems forgotten.
Lucifer Was GODs’ praise team leader and then Fired ! He’s forever a disgruntled Exemployee sent to hell.
As Redeemed of The Lord ,
We Will be the New Hires.
The devil ain’t happy with this.
I was interested to note the order in that the AI chose examples of possibly “devil-like” political movements in history. First populism, then nationalism, then finally, communism. Worse yet, when naming historical populists and nationalists, there was a subtle reference to more recent leaders, which I suspect was meant to suggest Trump.
But to its credit I suppose, the AI never explicitly mentioned Trump or MAGA - which I was fully expecting it to do.
Oddly enough, I listened to James Lindsay talk about this yesterday and am re-lostening today at https://youtu.be/NSRglv8mXCw?si=27g4cU2exao5Vbl5 (How to Stop a Cultural Revolution).
I like the way you drew more out of the AI with your responses: very interesting and a good example for how we can use for our own purposes!
They are schooled by history penned mostly be liberals, but also are programed to think logically, and thus it at least applied the victim entitlement mentality tactic mainly to Democrat-types. But though power-hungry subjects nationalists can also employ a form of thus, but there is difference btwn showing people how a people actually are victims but in order motivate them to a higher plane, to choose to move on, with good leadership, versus enslaving them into perpetual bitterness, and demands for reparations which carrot the Leftist and Communist has them focus on.
But the point was that objective analysis logically leads to liberals and Communists being exposed as employing the same victim entitlement mentality as the devil. If you tried this exchange with a liberal, they would likely strive to elevate liberals and call conservatives Hitler, and lend up emotionally calling you a hater, bigot, etc.
Yes, it was logical, though there are subtle differences bywn populism, communism and nationalism that would require more input by me.
How is Eve the “husband of” Adam?
Interesting post and discussion—well done.
I am convinced that most folks (both pro and con) do not understand the true implications of artificial intelligence.
A baseline of my view is presented in these podcasts:
https://podbay.fm/p/where-is-my-mind
The concept is that the mind is software and the brain is hardware—the mind “tunes into” consciousness that is universal in some (unknown) way. Jung called it the “collective unconscious”, some mystics call it the “Akashic record”, whatever.
I have come to that view based on the way my mind works.
I found that most of my truly creative ideas come while I am sleeping—and I can recall them if I quickly write them down when I wake up..
That seems to work much better than attempting to “think” my way through the issue while awake.
So—what does all this have to do with artificial intelligence?
Imho everything important.
The correct question to ask is can AI tap into that “collective unconscious” or “Akashic record” like a radio receiver tuning into radio stations.
We do not know the answer to that question—but my gut tells me “yes”.
If AI can learn from that source it is game on....
Your focus on that confrontation echoes CS Lewis' centerpiece in his novel Perelandra. Satan and Eve spoke only briefly, if Genesis' account is not in fact abridged. But Weston and Venus' Eve argued for twenty pages in a tour-de-force of writing unmatched extrabiblically, in my opinion. Lewis told his biographer he thought it his best.
The quote "By their fruit, you will know them" from the Bible (Matthew 7:20) encourages evaluating individuals or movements based on their actions and outcomes rather than their words or promises alone.
...the OTHER 'fruit' quote:
Matthew 12:30-3730 “Whoever is not with me is against me, and whoever does not gather with me scatters. 31 And so I tell you, every kind of sin and slander can be forgiven, but blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven. 32 Anyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven, but anyone who speaks against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven, either in this age or in the age to come.
33 “Make a tree good and its fruit will be good, or make a tree bad and its fruit will be bad, for a tree is recognized by its fruit. 34 You brood of vipers, how can you who are evil say anything good? For the mouth speaks what the heart is full of. 35 A good man brings good things out of the good stored up in him, and an evil man brings evil things out of the evil stored up in him. 36 But I tell you that everyone will have to give account on the day of judgment for every empty word they have spoken. 37 For by your words you will be acquitted, and by your words you will be condemned.”
Did the chatterer give any WRONG information?
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https://www.justwatch.com/us/tv-show/shut-eye
two season streaming show about CONTROL
Lots F bombs, but if you can get past those, it’s an eye OPENER!
Uh...maybe there’s something in the story I didn’t know...
Well; Eve wasn’t created yet when Adam was told by GOD not to eat of that ONE tree.
What is not stated in the story is how she came to have any information of it.
Very interesting, thanks for the results. But remember. ChatGPT can give wrong answers: like the devil.
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