Posted on 04/06/2024 9:42:38 AM PDT by butterdezillion
Some in my family are "normies" who just don't have the energy to care about what they call "politics". They believe the government is corrupt but think there's nothing we can do - no good options - so they just want to ignore it and "remain sane". Basically they are black-pilled, and they say most people are the same way.
How do we reach these people? This is what I'd like to say to them, if there was a way to get them to listen. Can somebody help me out here?
“Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. We didn't pass it to our children in the bloodstream. It must be fought for, protected, and handed on for them to do the same, or one day we will spend our sunset years telling our children and our children's children what it was once like in the United States where men were free.” ― Ronald Reagan
We were not vigilant enough to maintain and keep the freedom we received. It’s a stinky political world right now, but as tempting as it is to just hold our noses and ignore it, unless each one of us cares enough to turn this around, this is a very small glimpse of the government we might pass on to our children:
Passing a law that targets one person.
Giving a ticket to the guy going 76mph on the interstate when everyone else is going 90.
Planting fake evidence against whoever goes against a political agenda.
Jailing political prisoners indefinitely without charging them with crimes.
Torturing those political prisoners.
Spying on everybody but especially judges and lawmakers.
Keeping sex crimes unprosecuted so perpetrators can be blackmailed.
Law enforcement getting rid of “no trespassing” signs and barriers, guiding people into a secretly-restricted area, and then calling them terrorists and giving them jail time and fines.
Firing rubber bullets and teargas at peaceful protesters after a year of letting arsonists, brick throwers, sucker-punchers, and looters off scot-free.
Law enforcement busing in agitators to frame peaceful protestors; agitators fist-bumping law enforcement when violence is achieved.
The leader who refused 20,000 National Guardsmen to prevent “an insurrection” holding herself off-limits to Congressional investigation about her role.
Congressional investigators all hand-picked by that leader hiding evidence disproving their accusations toward her political rivals and holding televised hearings where they tell lies unchecked.
Requiring people to submit to scientific experiments that will kill them and their children.
Having weapons that can undetectably assassinate any person any time.
Having weapons that can brainwash psychologically vulnerable people and use them to commit any atrocity on demand.
Having weapons that can set fires and trigger earthquakes at any time and any place.
Bureaucrats who break every law to target a political enemy – and are then protected by the “Department of Justice”.
Trials that violate evidentiary standards.
Judges and prosecutors who get rich and famous by targeting a political figure.
Juries who lie about their biases so they can punish their political enemies.
Changing a law to get rid of the statute of limitations temporarily so that one man can be bankrupted for defending himself against a 30-year-old rape allegation whose “victim” is caught red-handed lying about the dress she supposedly wore – the only actual evidence even claimed in the case.
A President taking bribes from nearly all the country’s enemies.
Taxpayers forced to pay the President’s money-laundering nation to support the war that erupts when another country finds our CIA creating bioweapons directed toward them.
Staging color revolutions all over the world and in our own country to insure massive worldwide bloodshed.
Censoring factual content on social media and “news”.
Allowing and protecting the abuse, selling, and killing of adult and child sex slaves.
Arming drug cartels.
Passing so many laws and regulations that nobody can possibly be innocent of them all.
Deliberately putting human toxins in food, air, and mosquitos.
Doing the bidding of those planning the extermination of 80% of the world’s people.
Banning home gardens
Banning vehicles that we can afford and that can safely get us to work and back. Rigging “scientific studies” to call safe, effective treatments dangerous, to keep hundreds of thousands of sick people from being saved.
Prosecuting anyone who holds that our own laws governing election safeguards should be obeyed
Deliberately leaving our border unprotected so that any terrorist and any disease carrier can walk in and be received with open arms.
I think to change the Republican party you have to change the Republican voters and you have to change the incentives for politicians to ignore their voters.
Voters considering who to vote for need to look beyond the propaganda machine which is also deeply connected to the corruption machine. When voters investigate and think independently of the media-corruption machine, politicians will no longer be able to do what it takes to get in good with the machine and then just let the machine repay them and re-elect them forever. That’s how it is now with both parties. And if all else remained the same it would be the same result even if we had 20 different parties.
What made Trump a different - very, very welcome - option for R voters in 2016 is that he laughed at the media and said out loud what we all knew about the media already. He could afford to do that because he didn’t need the media and thus was never owned by them. The same thing held true for the corruptocracy. He was already independently wealthy; he didn’t need their bribes so he could point them out. It made him a big target and that’s why they are trying to bankrupt him through legal persecution.
If we the people can convince the straight-shooters in the R party that WE will get them elected in spite of the corrupt media we might see a new kind of R party.
I think the RINO’s bailing out is a step in the right direction, but now we the people need to outdo the media in making a convincing case to the voters.
Nope. That won’t change the party. As long as the money is coming in and they’re still winning half the elections they have no reason to change.
First part of the propaganda machine to look past is the lie of the 2 party system. It isn’t, it was never supposed to be, and it should be.
There are no straight shooters in the big parties. Once you’ve joined one your shots aren’t straight. You’re now beholden to the party. The control the funding, they control the appointments, they control you.
Nobody is bailing out.
I think the thing that really stands out about that dialog between Reagan and Carson is that it was calm. They didn’t bite off more than they could chew in that sitting.
The strategy of communism is to overwhelm, to hit the public with so much crap, such big crap, and such constant crap, one big flying turd after another... so that any one of the turds has no chance to be genuinely sorted out and dealt with. Anybody trying to deal with what they’re doing is trying to bottle up every drop of rain in the middle of a tsunami. You can’t do it. You can’t speak reasonably about one particular issue and get to the bottom of it in that kind of sh!tstorm.
In addition to that, they so muddy the waters that it takes a lot of unpacking just to sort out the lies from the truth. If you have 10 minutes to talk about an issue, at least 5 minutes will be spent just pointing out all the stuff that’s been said that’s not true. As Reagan said, the problem is with the stuff that we know to be true that isn’t so.
Is there any penalty for news broadcasters deliberately spreading what they know isn’t true? Maybe just libel against those they lie about? Can press credentials be taken away? Or is there any other way to hold them accountable? They don’t care how much money they lose; the cabal will keep them afloat as long as they continue the propaganda, so the civil recourse of just not watching/reading/listening doesn’t scare them.
And we need to figure out a strategy for dealing with the rapid-fire cannons being used against the very fabric of the country. How can we address individual subjects calmly, so that people who don’t want to see the whole picture can still digest it?
You’re not processing what I’m saying. You just say “nope” and then reiterate your point, which is basically a black pill: give up and die because the only way to fix this is to have a billion different parties and in the meantime the democrats win and eat the country alive.
You offer no hope, no solutions, and no meaningful dialog.
Not only are you unable to help the apathetic to have hope, you are trying to blackpill even those who already care very much.
I’m done conversing with you.
Scary, digital citizenry.
I’m processing what you’re saying just fine. More of the same. Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again expecting different results. You’re pushing for the same crap as always “find better republicans and reform the party”. Just the like the Tea Party in 2008, and we know how that went.
I offer plenty of hope, and a solution: STOP BACKING THE TWO PARTY SYSTEM. That’s the only fix. Everything else is just jerking off.
RINO’s ARE bailing out. They are resigning in large numbers in the hopes that they can give democrats the majority in the House, to stop the things that the Republicans are doing RIGHT: the investigations that are exposing the corruption that rules DC and the media. That evidence is absolutely KEY to waking people up.
And the bringing forth of that evidence so that PLAINTIFFS can kick the Deep State’s ass even when the DOJ persecutes the innocent and protects the guilty is what the apathetic need to see happening, to believe that anything can change.
Also, somehow what Congress finds out needs to be used to move trials out of the banana republic DC. Or maybe DC needs to be defunded until they choose to join the first world and actually follow the rules of evidence.
I think the House needs to instigate punitive action for Washington DC for as long as they are torturing political prisoners, jurors are lying to have access to persecute their political enemies in spite of evidence, etc.
I also note that I haven’t said find better Republicans. I’ve said to change the system that takes people - even good people - and makes them prisoners within the system. Primarily by Deep State blackmail, bribes, and a war chest used to buy election ads and positive coverage in the media.
Get rid of the meat grinder; it doesn’t matter what label the politicians have as long as the meat grinder makes sausage out of them all.
Sending politicians with whatever label you want, to be eaten up by the meat grinder is insanity.
Seems like I’m talking to myself right now but I don’t care.
I’m not looking for Rep Clay Higgins to send a strongly-worded letter to anybody. I’m looking for him to give the legal teams of every J6er being charged PROOF that the DOJ that is prosecuting is guilty of withholding exculpatory evidence. I’m looking for those prosecutors to be KICKED OFF those cases and disbarred.
I’m looking for Steven Sund and the Capitol Police who were angrily saying “We were set up!” to be called as witnesses. I’m looking for NANCY PELOSI and MURIEL BOWSER to be called as witnesses. I’m looking for those who came from the ghost buses to be called, and Ray Epps, and the fist-bumper and the officer he fist-bumped. All of them. Every stinking one needs to testify. Now.
I’m looking for DC jails to be shut down as the Hellholes they are and for the abusers and the supervisors and judges who allowed the abuse to be arrested and sent to Gitmo.
Can State Attorneys General file suit against the DOJ for committing crimes against the residents of their state?
I need some legal eagles to weigh in.
There has GOT to be a way to get at least some of these cases out of the Banana Republic District of Corruption.
Why do you attack Trump’s party and support the open borders, pro-abortion, pro-homosexual/trans agenda, refusing to take a stand against pedophilia party that opposes conservative Christian positions?
Why do you lie incessantly?
AND everybody from Pelosi and Bowser, right down to whatever DOJ crapface lawyer is making the arguments in the courtroom needs to be arrested and tried for entrapment.
Preferably in Gitmo because what they actually really did.... is INSURRECTION.
He’s never gonna answer that but the answer is obvious to everybody. He either doesn’t care if Trump and MAGA are defeated, ending our best chance to turn this country around..... or he wants to make sure we are defeated.
Your implied point stands.
He’s not worth your attention.
BUZZZZ wrong again.
Like I said. Seen this all before. The Tea Party was supposed to fix everything. Now it’s MAGA. It’s always the same “we know the GOP is mostly turds, but we must vote for them anyway”. Well we don’t actually.
And all his “implied points” are actually flat out lies.
Don’t try that evasion, you won’t answer and if you want to claim a lie then identify it.
He’s a troll just trying to disrupt the thread.
If third parties were going to be the way to activate the apathetic, they’ve got plenty to choose from already.
He’s made his totally useless point; people can believe it or reject it.
Now he just wants to stink up this place so nobody will work together here to come up with ideas that could possibly help.
Please ignore him. You didn’t lie; that accusation is just the boringly-predictable next step for a troll to stop a productive conversation once his cover is blown. Don’t let it work for him.
When I asked you —”Which of the many third parties do you vote for?”
You told us—”Any. Prefer libertarian but not the big 2 is good enough.”
Now rather than continue lying about my posts, tell me which fact you think is a “lie”. Everything I have said about you and your preferred party is factual.
Well let’s start off with you said you’re not Republican but you demand people only even contemplate voting Republican. So there’s a lie. Then of course everything you said about me is a lie. And all your questions are lies, demanding I answer for things I didn’t say. And as for “evading” your red herring flat out lie questions, no, I refuse to play your game of lies. That’s not evasion, that’s rejection.
You keep talking about me without pinging me. That’s rude. Not trying to disrupt anything. Just giving you real answers.
Here’s the key to the bucket. Each of the parties only has about 30% of the population. And generally only scores around 25% approval. So somewhere between 40% and 50% of the population don’t actually like either party, and yet keep voting for them. There’s the solution to the problem right there. If you think the party you keep voting for is letting you down find somebody else.
LOL, no, I think I would know if I had ever registered to any political party, as I posted “but I always vote for the best advancement toward conservatism that I can get.”
Amazing that you chose something that you could know nothing about of my personal life to use as your identifying a lie.
You really are flaky.
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