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Evidence of the 'Lost World' -- did dinosaurs survive the end Cretaceous extinctions?
The Palaeontological Association ^ | Apr. 28, 2009 | Unknown

Posted on 04/28/2009 12:02:46 PM PDT by decimon

The Lost World, Sir Arthur Conan Doyle's account of an isolated community of dinosaurs that survived the catastrophic extinction event 65 million years ago, has no less appeal now than it did when it was written a century ago. Various Hollywood versions have tried to recreate the lost world of dinosaurs, but today the fiction seems just a little closer to reality. New scientific evidence suggests that dinosaur bones from the Ojo Alamo Sandstone in the San Juan Basin, USA, date from after the extinction, and that dinosaurs may have survived in a remote area of what is now New Mexico and Colorado for up to half a million years. This controversial new research, published today in the journal Palaeontologia Electronica, is based on detailed chemical investigations of the dinosaur bones, and evidence for the age of the rocks in which they are found.

"The great difficulty with this hypothesis - that these are the remains of dinosaurs that survived - is ruling out the possibility that the bones date from before the extinction" says Jim Fassett, author of the research. "After being killed and deposited in sands and muds, it is possible for bones to be exhumed by rivers and then incorporated into younger rocks" he explains. This is not the usual way in which fossil deposits of this kind form, but it has been shown to explain some other post-extinction dinosaur bones. Fassett has amassed a range of evidence that indicates that these fossils from the Ojo Alamo Sandstone were not exhumed and redeposited and that these dinosaurs really did live after the end Cretaceous extinction event.

The first step must be to demonstrate that the rocks containing the bones are younger than the extinction event. Fassett has analysed the magnetic polarity of the rocks, and the pollen grains they contain, different approaches to finding the age of rocks which, he concludes "independently indicate that they do indeed post-date the extinction". Fassett also found that "the dinosaur bones from the Ojo Alamo Sandstone have distinctly different concentrations of rare earth metal elements to the bones in the underlying Cretaceous rocks" and this, he argues "makes it very unlikely that the post-extinction bones were exhumed from the underlying sediments." This is supported by a find of 34 hadrosaur bones together - "these are not literally an articulated skeleton, but the bones are doubtless from a single animal" - if the bones had been exhumed by a river, they would have been scattered.

So does this provide conclusive proof that dinosaurs survived the Cretaceous extinctions? According to David Polly, one of the editors of the journal in which the research is published "this is a controversial conclusion, and many palaeontologists will remain sceptical", but we already know that flying theropod dinosaurs (more generally referred to as birds) and crocodiles survived, so the possibility of pockets of survivors of other types of dinosaur is not quite as far fetched as it might sound. Finding conclusive evidence, however, is a difficult matter when the crime scene is 65 million years old. "One thing is certain" continues Polly, "if dinosaurs did survive, they were not as widespread as they were before the end of the Cretaceous and did not persist for long." The 'Lost World scenario' of humans and dinosaurs existing at the same time, still belongs firmly in the realms of pure fantasy. END

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Notes to Editors:

1. The paper, "New Geochronologic and Stratigraphic Evidence Confirms the Paleocene Age of the Dinosaur-Bearing Ojo Alamo Sandstone and Animas Formation in The San Juan Basin, New Mexico and Colorado" by James Fassett, is published in the April 29 issue of Palaeontologia Electronica. The paper is available on the www at: http://www.palaeo-electronica.org/

2. Jim Fassett holds an emeritus position at the U. S. Geological Survey in Santa Fe, New Mexico, USA.

3. Palaeontologia Electronica is an international internet-based journal co-sponsored by The Palaeontological Association, The Paleontological Society, and Society of Vertebrate Paleontology -the world's leading learned societies in the field, all non-profit organisations that promote the scientific study of fossils. For further information about the Palaeontological Association and its activities, or forthcoming papers of interest, contact the Publicity Officer, Mark Purnell, publicity@palass.org


TOPICS: History
KEYWORDS: catastrophism

1 posted on 04/28/2009 12:02:46 PM PDT by decimon
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To: SunkenCiv

Flying theropod ping.


2 posted on 04/28/2009 12:03:35 PM PDT by decimon
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To: decimon

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3 posted on 04/28/2009 12:10:02 PM PDT by FroggyTheGremlim
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To: decimon

It was the swine flu that killed the dinosaurs.


4 posted on 04/28/2009 12:10:32 PM PDT by 353FMG
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To: 353FMG

5 posted on 04/28/2009 12:21:35 PM PDT by skimbell
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To: decimon; 75thOVI; aimhigh; Alice in Wonderland; AndrewC; aragorn; aristotleman; Avoiding_Sulla; ...
the possibility of pockets of survivors of other types of dinosaur is not quite as far fetched as it might sound. Finding conclusive evidence, however, is a difficult matter when the crime scene is 65 million years old. "One thing is certain" continues Polly, "if dinosaurs did survive, they were not as widespread as they were before the end of the Cretaceous and did not persist for long."
thanks decimon.
 
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6 posted on 04/28/2009 12:25:49 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/____________________ Profile updated Monday, January 12, 2009)
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To: decimon

bush’s fault!

he let those dirty old republicans go out with their cop killing saturday night evil black assault rifles and kill the poor defenseless, and oh so cuddly dinosaurs.


7 posted on 04/28/2009 12:25:54 PM PDT by absolootezer0 (thank God for Chicago: makes Detroit look wholesome by comparison.)
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New blow for dinosaur-killing asteroid theory
National Science Foundation | Apr. 27, 2009 | Unknown
Posted on 04/27/2009 12:33:23 PM PDT by decimon
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/2238959/posts

Bang goes that theory:
Dinosaur extinction ‘occurred 300,000 years AFTER asteroid impact’
dailymail.co.uk | April 27, 2009 | Daily Mail Reporter
Posted on 04/27/2009 4:35:51 PM PDT by Free ThinkerNY
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/2239147/posts


8 posted on 04/28/2009 12:26:32 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/____________________ Profile updated Monday, January 12, 2009)
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To: decimon

” ... conclusive proof that dinosaurs survived the Cretaceous extinctions?”

There were some survivors, T-Rex and raptors.
But Chuck Norris and King Kong killed them.


9 posted on 04/28/2009 12:33:50 PM PDT by tumblindice (O viking kittie, where art thou?)
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To: 353FMG
Here's hoping this whole swine flu thingy doesn't go viral across the planet!

Oh...wait just a min....

10 posted on 04/28/2009 12:34:29 PM PDT by willgolfforfood
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To: absolootezer0
bush’s fault!

The Bushes are hybrid human-extraterrestrial lizards. I read that somewhere.

11 posted on 04/28/2009 12:36:32 PM PDT by decimon
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To: SunkenCiv; decimon

It all began when they legalized same-sex marriage...


12 posted on 04/28/2009 7:48:15 PM PDT by bigheadfred (Negromancer !!! RUN for your lives !!!)
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To: bigheadfred

I blame T-Rex, specifically, “Bang a Gong” from the Electric Warrior album.


13 posted on 04/29/2009 9:46:22 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/____________________ Profile updated Monday, January 12, 2009)
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To: decimon
did dinosaurs survive the end Cretaceous extinctions?

Yes. They are called alligators and chickens now.
14 posted on 04/29/2009 9:47:27 AM PDT by mysterio
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