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Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire [ch. XXVI: 376 AD: Romans grant asylum to destroyers of Rome]
Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire ^ | 1776 | Edward Gibbon

Posted on 07/21/2013 4:20:50 PM PDT by matt1234

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But the attention of the emperor [Valens] was most seriously engaged, by the important intelligence which he received from the civil and military officers who were intrusted with the defence of the Danube. He was informed, that the North was agitated by a furious tempest; that the irruption of the Huns, an unknown and monstrous race of savages, had subverted the power of the Goths; and that the suppliant multitudes of that warlike nation, whose pride was now humbled in the dust, covered a space of many miles along the banks of the river. With outstretched arms, and pathetic lamentations, they loudly deplored their past misfortunes and their present danger; acknowledged that their only hope of safety was in the clemency of the Roman government; and most solemnly protested, that if the gracious liberality of the emperor would permit them to cultivate the waste lands of Thrace, they should ever hold themselves bound, by the strongest obligations of duty and gratitude, to obey the laws, and to guard the limits, of the republic. These assurances were confirmed by the ambassadors of the Goths, who impatiently expected from the mouth of Valens an answer that must finally determine the fate of their unhappy countrymen. The emperor of the East was no longer guided by the wisdom and authority of his elder brother, whose death happened towards the end of the preceding year; and as the distressful situation of the Goths required an instant and peremptory decision, he was deprived of the favorite resources of feeble and timid minds, who consider the use of dilatory and ambiguous measures as the most admirable efforts of consummate prudence. As long as the same passions and interests subsist among mankind, the questions of war and peace, of justice and policy, which were debated in the councils of antiquity, will frequently present themselves as the subject of modern deliberation. But the most experienced statesman of Europe has never been summoned to consider the propriety, or the danger, of admitting, or rejecting, an innumerable multitude of Barbarians, who are driven by despair and hunger to solicit a settlement on the territories of a civilized nation. When that important proposition, so essentially connected with the public safety, was referred to the ministers of Valens, they were perplexed and divided; but they soon acquiesced in the flattering sentiment which seemed the most favorable to the pride, the indolence, and the avarice of their sovereign. The slaves, who were decorated with the titles of praefects and generals, dissembled or disregarded the terrors of this national emigration; so extremely different from the partial and accidental colonies, which had been received on the extreme limits of the empire. But they applauded the liberality of fortune, which had conducted, from the most distant countries of the globe, a numerous and invincible army of strangers, to defend the throne of Valens; who might now add to the royal treasures the immense sums of gold supplied by the provincials to compensate their annual proportion of recruits. The prayers of the Goths were granted, and their service was accepted by the Imperial court: and orders were immediately despatched to the civil and military governors of the Thracian diocese, to make the necessary preparations for the passage and subsistence of a great people, till a proper and sufficient territory could be allotted for their future residence.

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it was apparent to every discerning eye, that the Goths would long remain the enemies, and might soon become the conquerors of the Roman empire. Their rude and insolent behavior expressed their contempt of the citizens and provincials, whom they insulted with impunity. To the zeal and valor of the Barbarians Theodosius [successor of Valens] was indebted for the success of his arms: but their assistance was precarious; and they were sometimes seduced, by a treacherous and inconstant disposition, to abandon his standard, at the moment when their service was the most essential. During the civil war against Maximus, a great number of Gothic deserters retired into the morasses of Macedonia, wasted the adjacent provinces, and obliged the intrepid monarch to expose his person, and exert his power, to suppress the rising flame of rebellion. The public apprehensions were fortified by the strong suspicion, that these tumults were not the effect of accidental passion, but the result of deep and premeditated design. It was generally believed, that the Goths had signed the treaty of peace with a hostile and insidious spirit; and that their chiefs had previously bound themselves, by a solemn and secret oath, never to keep faith with the Romans; to maintain the fairest show of loyalty and friendship, and to watch the favorable moment of rapine, of conquest, and of revenge. But as the minds of the Barbarians were not insensible to the power of gratitude, several of the Gothic leaders sincerely devoted themselves to the service of the empire, or, at least, of the emperor; the whole nation was insensibly divided into two opposite factions, and much sophistry was employed in conversation and dispute, to compare the obligations of their first, and second, engagements. The Goths, who considered themselves as the friends of peace, of justice, and of Rome, were directed by the authority of Fravitta, a valiant and honorable youth, distinguished above the rest of his countrymen by the politeness of his manners, the liberality of his sentiments, and the mild virtues of social life. But the more numerous faction adhered to the fierce and faithless Priulf, who inflamed the passions, and asserted the independence, of his warlike followers. On one of the solemn festivals, when the chiefs of both parties were invited to the Imperial table, they were insensibly heated by wine, till they forgot the usual restraints of discretion and respect, and betrayed, in the presence of Theodosius, the fatal secret of their domestic disputes. The emperor, who had been the reluctant witness of this extraordinary controversy, dissembled his fears and resentment, and soon dismissed the tumultuous assembly. Fravitta, alarmed and exasperated by the insolence of his rival, whose departure from the palace might have been the signal of a civil war, boldly followed him; and, drawing his sword, laid Priulf dead at his feet. Their companions flew to arms; and the faithful champion of Rome would have been oppressed by superior numbers, if he had not been protected by the seasonable interposition of the Imperial guards. Such were the scenes of Barbaric rage, which disgraced the palace and table of the Roman emperor; and, as the impatient Goths could only be restrained by the firm and temperate character of Theodosius, the public safety seemed to depend on the life and abilities of a single man.


TOPICS: Books/Literature; History
KEYWORDS: asylum; gibbon; goths; nobankingsystem; nopostalsystem; noschoolsystem; romanempire; rome; slavesociety; toomanyslaves
Within 2 years the emperor Valens himself was killed by a Goth army at the Battle of Adrianople. Exactly 100 years after asylum, the western Roman empire fell to the first barbarian "King," marking the end of that empire.
1 posted on 07/21/2013 4:20:50 PM PDT by matt1234
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To: matt1234

Yup. It will be called aztlan. Texas aint going down easy though. No, not like California at all.


2 posted on 07/21/2013 4:23:01 PM PDT by 3Fingas (Sons and Daughters of Freedom, Committee of Correspondence)
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To: matt1234

But Byzantium endured for another thousand years.

We need to figure out where our Constantinople is.


3 posted on 07/21/2013 4:26:42 PM PDT by Argus
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To: Argus
We need to figure out where our Constantinople is.

Alaska?

4 posted on 07/21/2013 4:29:09 PM PDT by matt1234 (The NRA: Redefining "Too big to fail.")
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To: Argus

Just like in “Red Dawn” (The Original), you will have to probably stop them in the Mid-West. What will be going on in border areas and in some of the cities, to quote Powers Boothe, “will be positively medieval”.


5 posted on 07/21/2013 4:35:15 PM PDT by 3Fingas (Sons and Daughters of Freedom, Committee of Correspondence)
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To: matt1234

Liberals don’t believe in history, so this will mean nothing to them. They make up their own “histories” for political purposes so they figure everyone else does (and did), too.


6 posted on 07/21/2013 4:41:25 PM PDT by jeffc (The U.S. media are our enemy)
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To: 3Fingas

I’m thinking the Rocky Mountain states, western Canada and Alaska, and we could link up with the Russkies via Siberia.


7 posted on 07/21/2013 4:42:53 PM PDT by Argus
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To: Argus

The Russkies will be on the other side. The vultures will be circling when the barbarians crash the gates of the US for good.


8 posted on 07/21/2013 4:44:33 PM PDT by Black Agnes
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To: 3Fingas

Interestingly, Boothe played the Roman general Aetius in a miniseries about Attila (Gerard Butler), about a dozen years ago. May have been History Channel, I don’t recall exactly.


9 posted on 07/21/2013 4:46:39 PM PDT by rfp1234 (Arguing with a marxist is like playing Chess with a Pigeon.)
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To: Black Agnes

They’re acting more conservative than we are lately, but I read you.


10 posted on 07/21/2013 4:56:22 PM PDT by Argus
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The History of the Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire
Christianity as a contributor to the fall and to stability

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_History_of_the_Decline_and_Fall_of_the_Roman_Empire#Christianity_as_a_contributor_to_the_fall_and_to_stability


11 posted on 07/21/2013 4:58:27 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (McCain or Romney would have been worse, if you're a dumb ass.)
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To: jeffc
Liberals don’t believe in history, so this will mean nothing to them. They make up their own “histories” for political purposes so they figure everyone else does (and did), too.

That's why I prefer older history books. Anything written after 1960 is suspect, IMO, due to the infusion of liberal ideologies.

One interesting anecdote in that regard: I have a high school history book from 1979. Among the specially treated minority groups are Jews. You don't see that today. Blacks, hispanics, women, etc get special sections; but not Jews. I wonder exactly when the Jews fell out of favor with the publishers/editors.

12 posted on 07/21/2013 5:02:51 PM PDT by matt1234 (The NRA: Redefining "Too big to fail.")
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To: matt1234
The "Barbarians" did not destroy Rome. They became Romans and extended Roman culture and maintained it until the Mohammedans cut off Europe from trade with the East, primarily papyrus which among other effects rapidly deliterated a generally literate civilization. The Roman Empire fell, or rather evanesced. Roman civilization continued for more than another century.

Mohammed & Charlemagne Revisited: The History of a Controversy by Scott, Emmet (Dec 16, 2011)

13 posted on 07/21/2013 5:04:42 PM PDT by arthurus (Read Hazlitt's Economics In One Lesson ONLINE http://steshaw.org/econohttp://www.fee.org/library/det)
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To: rfp1234

Yeah, Boothe played Aetius, some called the “Last Roman”. Lots of end-times, collapse coincidences don’t you think?
I had forgotten that Attila was played by Gerard Butler. It was a very good mini-series/show.
That was when the History Channel used to have history programs and not now when all it plays are reality shows that only have a tangential relationship to history. Just like MTV, the History channel should change its name to reflect its lack of history programming.


14 posted on 07/21/2013 5:18:07 PM PDT by 3Fingas (Sons and Daughters of Freedom, Committee of Correspondence)
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To: arthurus
The "Barbarians" did not destroy Rome. They became Romans and extended Roman culture and maintained it

That is true of many barbarian tribes, but not all. Many Germanic and Gothic tribes were more hostile than friendly to the Roman Empire for most of its existence. Rome was sacked by Visigoths in 410.

15 posted on 07/21/2013 5:24:55 PM PDT by matt1234 (The NRA: Redefining "Too big to fail.")
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To: matt1234

The sacking of Rome by the Visigoths was not official policy.

Alaric didn’t give his permission. His troops were hungry for loot and just went and did it.

The serious sacking came later, in 455, with Geiseric the Vandal in charge. Now, THAT was a party!

Read your history.


16 posted on 07/21/2013 6:06:20 PM PDT by warchild9
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To: matt1234
Rome was sacked by a Roman General of Visigothic extraction when he and his troops didn't get paid. And yes, Rome as a unitary central entity went away but Roman Civilization lasted in France and Spain and to a lesser extent in Italy until the saracen Pirates choked off trade in the Mediterranean with their constant jihad. The paynim also forced the depopulation of coastal areas of Europe by their constant raiding and contributed to the later Viking raiding of North Europe because the Moslems bought the slaves the Vikings captured. The book is fascinating. It compares the views of different theories of the Fall so it is not a one-sided presentation. It is worth the price to buy it or the time to find it in the library. http://www.amazon.com/Mohammed-Charlemagne-Revisited-Controversy-ebook/dp/B006N0THLO/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1374456995&sr=8-2&
17 posted on 07/21/2013 6:38:56 PM PDT by arthurus (Read Hazlitt's Economics In One Lesson ONLINE http://steshaw.org/econohttp://www.fee.org/library/det)
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To: Argus
"I’m thinking the Rocky Mountain states,..."

If you wouldn't mind fighting the bipartisan, socialist, sexually confused, animal worshipping, environmentalist, regulator majority before occupying such states...and getting wierdo cooties while being in proximity with them. It's not good country for cowboys and miners any more. At least two of the states up here are regulated up pretty much like NY and CA.


18 posted on 07/21/2013 7:46:05 PM PDT by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of rotten politics smelled around the planet.)
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To: familyop

Well, if we’re talking about civilizational collapse and tribal warfare, the opportunity to take it out on those bastards would be an attractant for many.


19 posted on 07/21/2013 7:50:59 PM PDT by Trod Upon (Every penny given to film and TV media companies goes right into enemy coffers. Starve them out!)
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To: 3Fingas
Just like in “Red Dawn” (The Original), you will have to probably stop them in the Mid-West. What will be going on in border areas and in some of the cities, to quote Powers Boothe, “will be positively medieval”.

The Republic of Texas, and its extended territories (Alaska.)

20 posted on 07/21/2013 7:54:48 PM PDT by D Rider
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