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For The First Time Ever, NASA Captures Images of Supersonic Shockwaves Merging in Air
Science Alert ^ | 7 MAR 2019 | CARLY CASSELLA

Posted on 03/07/2019 8:42:38 AM PST by DUMBGRUNT

The images feature two T-38s from the US Air Force, flying at supersonic speeds less than nine metres (30 feet) apart, with a stream of shockwaves emanating from either side. There is also an image of one, single T-38 flying on what is described as a "knife's edge"...

"We never dreamt that it would be this clear, this beautiful," says JT Heineck, a physical scientist at NASA's Ames Research Center.

(Excerpt) Read more at sciencealert.com ...


TOPICS: Arts/Photography; Chit/Chat; Science
KEYWORDS: aerospace
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Makes a nice poster.
1 posted on 03/07/2019 8:42:38 AM PST by DUMBGRUNT
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To: DUMBGRUNT

https://www.nasa.gov/sites/default/files/thumbnails/image/f4_p4_red_planedrop.jpg


2 posted on 03/07/2019 8:44:05 AM PST by DUMBGRUNT ("The enemy has overrun us. We are blowing up everything. Vive la France!")
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To: DUMBGRUNT

Too cool.


3 posted on 03/07/2019 8:45:13 AM PST by redshawk (0pansy is a Liar and Hates.........he just hates!)
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Too cool is right. It is hard to believe they’re not computer generated graphics.


4 posted on 03/07/2019 8:47:40 AM PST by gloryblaze
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5 posted on 03/07/2019 8:48:00 AM PST by freedumb2003 (As always IMHO)
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To: gloryblaze
Are they flying through a red tide? 👹✈️
6 posted on 03/07/2019 8:52:46 AM PST by rktman ( #My2ndAmend! ----- Enlisted in the Navy in '67 to protect folks rights to strip my rights. WTH?)
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To: DUMBGRUNT

Hmmm, that’s pretty amazing, how perpendicular the shock waves emanate from the front of the aircraft. I wonder at what speed they propagate, the speed of sound? Looks like it would have to be much faster due to the slight angle of the bow wave.


7 posted on 03/07/2019 8:58:24 AM PST by amorphous
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To: DUMBGRUNT

Great screen backgrounds. I have hundreds that just cycle through.

Interesting how they interfere with each other.


8 posted on 03/07/2019 8:59:06 AM PST by ImJustAnotherOkie (All I know is what I read in the papers.)
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To: freedumb2003

They aren’t perpendicular, each line is going out in 360 degrees, you only see a cross section here.

Cool picture, though!


9 posted on 03/07/2019 9:05:30 AM PST by rlmorel (If racial attacks were as common as the Left wants you to think, they wouldn't have to make them up.)
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To: DUMBGRUNT

https://www.thenakedscientists.com/articles/questions/what-produces-lift-during-knife-edge-pass

from link:

When an airplane does a knife-edge pass (wings vertical), where is the vertical component of lift coming from to keep it in the air?

Thanks!
Cameron
Answer

Dave - So, the plane is basically flying on its side. The wings can’t be doing anything because they’re vertical. So, the lift must be coming from somewhere else. When you watch them doing it, they’re actually quite a big angle. So, they’re not flying horizontally. They’re sort of flying at 20 or 30 degrees to the vertical. And so, you’ll be getting some lift from the side of the body of the plane, from the side of the fuselage. Some from the tail plane itself will be giving you some lift and mostly, the kind of planes which do this have got very, very large propellers which can throw an awful lot of air backwards. So, because the plane is pointing upwards, that air is being thrown downwards, and so you get an equal opposite reaction and the plane gets pushed upwards.


10 posted on 03/07/2019 9:13:20 AM PST by GOPJ ("Newspeak": Republicans lie, Democrats misspeak. Democrats plan, Republicans scheme. Howie Carr)
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To: freedumb2003

Beautiful...


11 posted on 03/07/2019 9:14:31 AM PST by GOPJ ("Newspeak": Republicans lie, Democrats misspeak. Democrats plan, Republicans scheme. Howie Carr)
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To: freedumb2003

It looks like the trailing aircraft is maintaining speed with a lot less power.


12 posted on 03/07/2019 9:25:38 AM PST by Plexi
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Agreed. Looks like NASA has made great advances to their schlieren system. Although I prefer the original gray scale images, the colorized ones do make great pictures. The T-38s are going just above Mach 1. Probably around 1.05M (sin(mu)=1/M, if you want to do the calculation).
13 posted on 03/07/2019 9:26:46 AM PST by stump56 (Freedom isn't free.)
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A “knife-edge” shot of a single T-38 in supersonic flight.
Image: NASA

https://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/tjumihlodgtgxu1xedau.jpg


14 posted on 03/07/2019 9:30:40 AM PST by DUMBGRUNT ("The enemy has overrun us. We are blowing up everything. Vive la France!")
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https://www.nasa.gov/centers/armstrong/feature/NASA_advances_schlieren_imagery_for_supersonic_aircraft.html

BOSCO Chief Engineer Brian Strovers and research engineer Paul Dees calibrate one of three cameras positioned to be able to capture images of supersonic research aircraft. Using a special hydrogen alpha filter, and positioning the cameras to use the sun as a background, NASA researchers are able to observe shockwaves coming off aircraft as they fly faster than the speed of sound, or supersonic. This required pilots to fly through a designated position that was approximately 100 feet in diameter, while flying at supersonic speeds.


15 posted on 03/07/2019 9:32:23 AM PST by DUMBGRUNT ("The enemy has overrun us. We are blowing up everything. Vive la France!")
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To: freedumb2003

Spiff-tastic!

I’m partial to the F16, myself, but I have to say that the F5/T38 is a good looking little airplane.


16 posted on 03/07/2019 10:11:15 AM PST by Kommodor (Terrorist, Journalist or Democrat? I can't tell the difference.)
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To: DUMBGRUNT

Thanks!


17 posted on 03/07/2019 10:13:55 AM PST by stump56 (Freedom isn't free.)
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To: amorphous
Hmmm, that’s pretty amazing, how perpendicular the shock waves emanate from the front of the aircraft. I wonder at what speed they propagate, the speed of sound? Looks like it would have to be much faster due to the slight angle of the bow wave.

The shock waves build up as the vehicle approaches speed of sound, (Mach 1) then compress closer together at the speed of sound. Once Mach 1 is exceeded the shock waves start angling rearward. The faster the speed, the sharper the shock wave.

Here's one of my favorite pics of Thrust SSC breaking the sound barrier. The lighter portion aft of the shock wave is the dust it's kicking up as the car passes over the ground.


18 posted on 03/07/2019 10:20:14 AM PST by Ol' Dan Tucker (For 'tis the sport to have the engineer hoist with his own petard., -- Hamlet, Act 3, Scene 4)
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Look at the shock wave in your diagram. It's at a 45 degree angle at Mach 1, which is what it should be - sound waves traveling 1 for 1 from its source at Mach 1 (i.e., 45 degree angle).

Again in your diagram, "The faster the speed, the sharper the shock wave." - agree.

But in the image posted by the OP, the waves are at least 80 degrees perpendicular to the aircraft! So what's up with the NASA image of two aircraft flying faster than the speed of sound?

The images feature two T-38s from the US Air Force, flying at supersonic speeds less than nine metres (30 feet) apart, with a stream of shockwaves emanating from either side.

I would like to see a zoomed out version of the NASA image. Perhaps then one could better see the curvature of the wave front.

Even so, there is "sumpin" odd about the speed at which the wave must propagate (i.e., faster than the speed of sound) to have such a perpendicular departure from something that is itself traveling at sonic velocities.

19 posted on 03/07/2019 12:12:13 PM PST by amorphous
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Original Story:

NASA Captured Two Jets' Supersonic Shockwaves Merging By Applying New Tech To An Old Idea
NASA's new very high-speed camera paired with the 'Schlieren' photography concept will help in the development of practical supersonic air travel.
By Joseph Trevithick March 6, 2019


20 posted on 03/07/2019 12:15:02 PM PST by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now it is your turn ...)
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