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The Student Debt You Willingly Took On Is Not My Problem To Solve
The Federalist ^ | 02/17/2020 | Margot Cleveland

Posted on 02/17/2020 7:41:53 AM PST by SeekAndFind

Of all the pandering showcased during Democrats’ attempts to win back the presidency, wiping out student debt ranked at or near the top.

“I believe that education is the future for this country,” socialist Sen. Bernie Sanders barked during the first round of Democratic primary debates, explaining that’s why we must “eliminate student debt and we do that by placing a tax on Wall Street.” Sen. Amy Klobuchar spoke similarly. “I can tell you this,” the Minnesota senator demagogued, “if billionaires can pay off their yachts, students should be able to pay off their student loans.”

There can be no serious discussion of this issue, however, in 60-second sound bites. So, beyond the soak-the-rich shtick that shades every Democratic economic debate point, the candidates resorted to two tactics: shock and sob stories.

The Shock Strategy

The size of student debt provides the jolt necessary to peddle their plans to the American populace. “I got $100,000 in student loan debt myself,” California Rep. Eric Swalwell bemoaned. “College affordability is personal for us,” South Bend, Indiana, Mayor Pete Buttigieg shared, noting that his household has “six-figure student debt.” So, sure, “I believe in reducing student debt,” Buttigieg announced.

Next came the sob stories. Those student loans are suffocating a generation, the candidates suggested. After all, “40 million of us who can’t start a family,” the diaper-changing daddy Swalwell contradictorily proclaimed, adding that they “Can’t take a good idea and start a business and can’t buy our first home.”

“We can’t put people in a position where they aren’t able to go on and move on,” frontrunner Joe Biden agreed.

Tellingly, when not constrained by the debate format, these same politicians push the same narrative to garner support for bailing out student loans, all while the media provides the Democrats a free assist.

“With loans totaling more than $130,000,” Buttigieg’s household is “among the 43 million people in the United States who owe federal student loan debt,” the Associated Press reported last month, before highlighting the myriad plans to bail out student debt pushed by a cadre of presidential candidates. The AP then furthered the narrative by using statistics to shock the public into socialism:

The debtors are so numerous and the total debt so high—more than $1.447 trillion, according to federal statistics—that several of the Democratic candidates have made major policy proposals to address the crisis. Their ideas include wiping away debt, lowering interest rates, expanding programs that tie repayment terms to income and making college free or debt-free. Student loan debt is often discussed as an issue that mostly affects millennials, but it cuts across age groups. Federal statistics show that about 7.8 million people age 50 and older owe a combined $291.9 billion in student loans. People age 35 to 49, a group that covers older millennials such as Buttigieg as well as Generation X, owe $548.4 billion. That group includes more than 14 million people.

Sob Stories Reign Supreme

Then the sad tales continue the sales pitch for a government solution to student debt—a ploy that began well before the 2016 elections. Here’s one of myriad media examples.

“Shayna Pilnick, 28, would like to buy an apartment but can’t afford a mortgage. Jacqueline Mannino, 23, and her boyfriend, Benjamin Prowse, 26, want to get married. Jacob Childerson, 24, and his wife, Jennifer, 25, wish they could start a family, but they live with Jennifer’s parents,” is how USA Today opened its 2013 profile of millennials unable to obtain their dream life because they are “tethered” to “tens of thousands of dollars in student loan debt.”

There are many ways to counter these arguments, based on both economics and equity. But it’s hard to counter soundbites with sense, so instead, here are my inquiries for these politicians, the press, and all the students demanding relief from the burdens of their debt: Tell me your sob stories from age 12 on, not what you can’t do now, but what you couldn’t do then. Tell what you had to do then and through college to avoid what is now, to you, crushing student debt.

What time did you get up to deliver papers in junior high? How many hours a week did you work since 14 to save for college? How many toilets did you scrub? How many high school football games did you miss because you were working? What dream college did you forgo to avoid taking out student loans?

Which 8 a.m. class did you take so you could complete your major’s requirements and still work in the afternoon? Which bus line did you take to get to your job because you didn’t borrow to buy a car? What job did you work full-time while completing your MBA at night?

What did you do to afford college? What didn’t you do because of the cost of college? Were you getting tattoos and traveling your way through college? Were you pledging and partying? Did you go to your top-choice university? Maybe an out-of-state public university with higher tuition rates? Which spring break and study abroad destinations did you visit along the way?

Did you splurge on your fairytale wedding instead of paying down your student loans? What cars did you buy or lease? Where did you live? What electronics did you own? What clothing and other personal expenditures did you have? In short, show me the money and how you spent it!

None of my business? You’re right. Nor is your student debt my business or my problem.


Margot Cleveland is a senior contributor to The Federalist. Cleveland served nearly 25 years as a permanent law clerk to a federal appellate judge and is a former full-time faculty member and current adjunct instructor at the college of business at the University of Notre Dame. The views expressed here are those of Cleveland in her private capacity.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Education; Society
KEYWORDS: college; studentdebt
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To: SamAdams76
Yup. It's called being responsible for your actions/decisions.

"I just went ahead and paid the whole damn thing off over the next 20-30 years."

Are you sure that wasn't a CAR loan as AOC said recently? Ha.

61 posted on 02/17/2020 8:47:55 AM PST by A Navy Vet (I'm not Islamophobic - I'm Islamonauseous. Also LGBTQxyz nauseous.)
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To: central_va

At least use current info. Washington dc is 14 hr. California is 13 hr.


62 posted on 02/17/2020 8:48:43 AM PST by gcparent (Justice Brett Kavanaugh)
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To: central_va

I live in in ny. My kids went to ny colleges and worked in NY. Thats why.

They were not primadonnas.


63 posted on 02/17/2020 8:50:58 AM PST by gcparent (Justice Brett Kavanaugh)
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To: SeekAndFind

Have the media (or anyone) asked those pushing for college loan reparations to explain why those who didn’t go to college, or those who paid their own way, or those who have paid off their loans, should be required to pay off the loans of others?


64 posted on 02/17/2020 8:51:36 AM PST by jeffc (The U.S. media are our enemy)
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To: SeekAndFind

Paid 12k a year for son to Graduate from UMBC in 2008. He thanks me to this day when he and co-workers get their bonuses - his co-workers lament having to use their bonuses to pay down student debt...


65 posted on 02/17/2020 8:53:59 AM PST by dakine
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To: jeffc

The answer to that question is probably “fairness”. That’s usually the answer whenever the Looters are trying to justify their looting.


66 posted on 02/17/2020 8:54:22 AM PST by ClearCase_guy (If White Privilege is real, why did Elizabeth Warren lie about being an Indian?)
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To: gcparent
At least use current info. Washington dc is 14 hr. California is 13 hr.

Ok be hard headed but even so I'll play your stupid game. Even at $15/hr, working while gambling with your GPA while paying 200K for your tuition over 4 years is still really, really STUPID. The money you earn is a drop in the bucket compared to $200K..

67 posted on 02/17/2020 8:54:25 AM PST by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: olivia3boys

I agree college could be 3 years with summers. With 120 credits my kid was taking electives of music, archery, boxing. Didnt count toward gpa average but still paid full credits for them.


68 posted on 02/17/2020 8:54:31 AM PST by gcparent (Justice Brett Kavanaugh)
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To: central_va

Thats your decision. You seem very pushy.

Plenty of kids work part time and are successful. Worked for us. No regrets.


69 posted on 02/17/2020 8:56:54 AM PST by gcparent (Justice Brett Kavanaugh)
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To: jeffc
Oh yeah, can we look at the income and expenses of those with student loans so we could see what they're spending their income on before handing them more government (our) money.

I understand the loans were made with government backed guarantees, but I would want to make sure those who's loans would be paid off are not paying on those loans so that they can use the money to live in the lap of luxury...

70 posted on 02/17/2020 8:58:07 AM PST by jeffc (The U.S. media are our enemy)
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To: SeekAndFind
“ RE: Or we could take steps to make college more affordable. I’m all ears regarding any good ideas anyone might have.”

Are you all joking about lowering college costs being some big unsolvable problem? The answer is very simple. Get the government out of the education business entirely. No funding for schools and no loans for students. Make colleges pay their employees out of their profits like any other business.

71 posted on 02/17/2020 9:00:18 AM PST by precisionshootist
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To: SeekAndFind

My youngest daughter informed me that WE owed her college.

I explained to her that if I owed her than we would need to get her into one of the Academies but she would probably have to bring her grades up. (80s before ‘all’ went to pre college)

‘Well I don’t want to go in the Army’ and I then informed her that yes, we would help but she would also have to pitch in.

She ended up going to JC for two years then College where she became the first in the family line to graduate College. (Had several that Graduated Nursing School).


72 posted on 02/17/2020 9:01:25 AM PST by xrmusn (6/98"HRC is the Grandmother that lures Hansel & Gretel to the pot")
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To: precisionshootist

Get the government out of the education business entirely. No funding for schools and no loans for students. Make colleges pay their employees out of their profits like any other business.


This

It is not just the problem of student debt for college either.... Uncle Sam’s meddling and involvement in K-12 education at the state and local level has been a negative force as well.


73 posted on 02/17/2020 9:05:59 AM PST by volunbeer (Find the truth and accept it - anything else is delusional)
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To: from occupied ga
"Got through college in 3 years instead of four with a summa cum laude and then went to medical school and has been a practicing surgeon for the last ten years. It cost me about $270,000 altogether in the mid 90’s, and I don’t regret spending a penny of it."

Good for you and your kid. A success story when parents and the student apply themselves!

74 posted on 02/17/2020 9:07:22 AM PST by A Navy Vet (I'm not Islamophobic - I'm Islamonauseous. Also LGBTQxyz nauseous.)
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To: central_va

Your map is old. Florida minimum wage is $8.56, not $8.05...


75 posted on 02/17/2020 9:12:11 AM PST by jeffc (The U.S. media are our enemy)
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To: jeffc

The chart is from 2016.


76 posted on 02/17/2020 9:16:44 AM PST by gcparent (Justice Brett Kavanaugh)
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To: jeffc
"Have the media (or anyone) asked those pushing for college loan reparations to explain why those who didn’t go to college, or those who paid their own way, or those who have paid off their loans, should be required to pay off the loans of others?"

Of course not. We are heading towards a socialist/commie society. I'm wondering if Bernie becomes the dem/soc nominee if Trump will explain the failings of socialism in the general debates. It's time to have the difference between successful free enterprise and sole-busting socialism explained in layman's terms.

77 posted on 02/17/2020 9:16:45 AM PST by A Navy Vet (I'm not Islamophobic - I'm Islamonauseous. Also LGBTQxyz nauseous.)
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To: SeekAndFind

**We** can’t put people in a position where they aren’t able to go on and move on.

We don’t they do not everyone can go to college only the hard working and well to do can that’s life deal with it.


78 posted on 02/17/2020 9:17:17 AM PST by Vaduz (women and children to be impacIQ of chimpsted the most.)
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To: precisionshootist
"The answer is very simple. Get the government out of the education business entirely. No funding for schools and no loans for students. Make colleges pay their employees out of their profits like any other business."

Yup. The fedgov has NO business in local education issues nor funding private institutions. DO AWAY WITH THE DEPARTMENT OF EDUCATION YESTERDAY!!!

79 posted on 02/17/2020 9:21:29 AM PST by A Navy Vet (I'm not Islamophobic - I'm Islamonauseous. Also LGBTQxyz nauseous.)
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To: Buckeye McFrog
re. These kids come out deep in hock and end up sitting in an office next to an H1B holder who got his degree for next to nothing.

Or the H1B doesn't even have the "required" degree, but the company fudges the records because he works cheap.

80 posted on 02/17/2020 9:26:04 AM PST by ken in texas
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