Posted on 02/24/2020 9:18:47 AM PST by DEPcom
According to exiled Chinese billionaire Guo Wengui, the situation may be a lot direr than what the CCP is letting on. Guo has a history of accurately blowing the whistle against his former government.
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Last week, Guo speculated that coronavirus had infected as many as 5 million people in China, with the death toll crossing 200,000.
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They deployed an additional 20K to Wuhan.
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I think they must be the special police that were “training” just north of Hong Kong when the riots first began.
Initially, the PLA were deployed but the risk of infecting their frontline troops must have been weighed and found wanting - so the special police are now called in. The PLAAN just lost the crew and maybe the ship when 549 frigate was downed by the flu
Look at China for what they are “admitting” to doing; and for videos of outrageous stuff.
But keep an eye on the first world, free press places to get a sense of how bad this is:
1. Singapore has the best tracking system so far.
2. Japan has great hospitals and seemed to have it under control.
3. South Korea seems to be losing control a bit.
You “should” get more accurate numbers—and if they get scary fast, watch out.
Remember, 80% of infected walk out with a cold. The odds are definitely in your favor.
Read everything from China likes its from a 1940’s movie. It doesn’t make it easier to digest—but it makes it funny.
Re Deng Xiaoping’s hold on power, despite resigning his official posts, he did an inspection tour of the south like a reigning emperor. He undoubtedly had key allies in his pocket, much in the way he was protected from Mao’s assassins while he was technically down-and-out politically:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deng_Xiaoping#Resignation_and_1992_southern_tour
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ye_Jianying#Life
It’s pretty simple - Deng was the power behind the throne while Jiang Zemin was technically the leader. If Jiang had moved against Deng, Jiang would have found out who really ruled China, much as shoguns had Japanese emperors as puppets on a string for almost 700 years.
If so, they are gping to have to do it faster than this.
the msn is not called “the drive by media” for no reason.
Very interesting. I made the acquaintance of a prosperous heritage Chinese in Australia.
He had done some work in China.
He said they were completely untrustworthy.
My dealings with Chinese in the USA, they have been honorable in the small things, anyway.
In Communist China, you have to be considered loyal to the Communist Party, to get ahead.
Yes - this is warming up for the announcement that it is just the seasonal Chinese flu - expect the announcement 4/1/20
or you can go back to sleep and wait and see what happens when the COVID19 has been in the West for 60-90 days as that’s the stage China is in now.
. Since China believes that it is already overpopulated, as demonstrated by its one child policy,
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One incorrect and lazy assumption - how many more?
China’s ‘one child policy’ was lifted some years ago (2015) when they realized they need more workers to grow their economy.
Baird’s whole premise is LOL material
I never knew anything about the Chinese until I read the biography of General Stillwell, ‘Vinegar Joe’
Along with everything else, he was a Chinese ‘scholar’ knew the culture and spoke many of the dialects.
I remember reading about his astonishment at Chang Kai Chek and Madam Chang ‘Cash My Check’ as she was called.
A more unscrupulous duo you have never heard of. When General Stillwell needed 4000 soldiers, Chang agreed to send them. He emptied the jails, hospitals etc., and sent Joe the worst possible ‘soldiers’ you could think of.
Chang sent 4000, alright… men without weapons, training, experience, in poor health, near dead and starving. When Vinegar Joe challenged that, Chang said ‘We have a saying in China...”Would you use your best steel to make nails?”
To Chang-soldiering was not an honorable profession and he wasn’t going to help the US defeat Japan. Chang stockpiled all the US materiel FDR gave him. He was hoarding it for his inevitable scrap with Mao, once WE drove the Japanese out of China FOR HIM.
That was typical of ALL the US dealing with Chang from beginning
Wild speculation, it’s for sure the situation is serious, but who knows. They are in the fog of war in China even still. No one is certain what is going on there not even the Chinese Government would be my guess.
Here’s what we know to be “most likely for certain”. This virus is going to traverse the world. It’s going to have to burn itself out via either containment or simply running out of new victims.
Warm weather doesn’t stop it, it doesn’t obey any “race” identity politics. It does seem to be more severe in older people and smokers, but then that is true of the regular flu. All we can do is wait and see, this ain’t over until 2021, we are in for a very long year ahead, and this thing might have worked it’s way into being a regular winter flu strain each year.
If the US is spared mass casualties I will be surprised and very happy indeed.
Fascinating recount of Chinese history. more
and by the way an olds delta 88 was your living room ...:)
Not just them. If it’s gotten into the prison’s like I’ve read, then that’ll save the commies millions if costs there too.
I would not be surprised if this story is remotely accurate.
[Fascinating recount of Chinese history. more]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zhao_Gao#Coup_following_Qin_Shi_Huang’s_death
A regent who killed one emperor:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Empress_Dowager_Cixi#Xuantong_era
The author’s point is that China can lose a LOT of people in order to defeat Trump.
It is unimportant that the one-child policy was lifted in 2015.
[I never knew anything about the Chinese until I read the biography of General Stillwell, ‘Vinegar Joe’
Along with everything else, he was a Chinese ‘scholar’ knew the culture and spoke many of the dialects.
I remember reading about his astonishment at Chang Kai Chek and Madam Chang ‘Cash My Check’ as she was called.
A more unscrupulous duo you have never heard of. When General Stillwell needed 4000 soldiers, Chang agreed to send them. He emptied the jails, hospitals etc., and sent Joe the worst possible ‘soldiers’ you could think of.
Chang sent 4000, alright… men without weapons, training, experience, in poor health, near dead and starving. When Vinegar Joe challenged that, Chang said ‘We have a saying in China...”Would you use your best steel to make nails?”
To Chang-soldiering was not an honorable profession and he wasn’t going to help the US defeat Japan. Chang stockpiled all the US materiel FDR gave him. He was hoarding it for his inevitable scrap with Mao, once WE drove the Japanese out of China FOR HIM]
Almost all (not just most) of the major Sino-Japanese battles were fought by Chiang’s men. At the end of WWII, many of Chiang’s formations existed in name only - they had died in such numbers fighting the Japanese. Whereas Mao’s men were rested and fresh. You know how at near the end of WWI, the French had large-scale mutinies that almost toppled the government? By the end of WWII, Chiang was near the end of his rope.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Sino-Japanese_War
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1917_French_Army_mutinies
Many of his men surrendered to Mao rather than continue fighting. Their reward (just or not) was to be sent to Korea where they died like flies (UN/US estimates were about 800,000 Chinese dead). Many presumably understood that they were being killed off to ward off the future threat of a counter-revolution against Communist rule, such that 2/3 of Chinese POW’s captured by UN forces in Korea defected to Taiwan.
Saw repeating of the Chinese blaming the US for COVID-2019. Read in a past articles(plural) that there are two Bioweapon labs in Wuhan. The one 20 miles outside Wuhan is biowarfare, and the one less than 300 meters from the seafood market is Bio vaccines and health. More likely that they were trying to develop a vaccine to protect Chinese against a weaponized coronovirus and it was a failure. Have read in the past that they had been additionally unsuccessfully seeking a vaccine against SARs but the test animals had a high mortality rate.
[The author’s point is that China can lose a LOT of people in order to defeat Trump.
It is unimportant that the one-child policy was lifted in 2015.]
What distinguishes Chinese rulers from others isn’t how far forward they look, but how far backwards they reach in looking for pitfalls and challenges that might lead to a disastrous end for them and their kin. Mao’s twin bibles during his successful insurrection against the ruling Nationalists were two works about peasant revolts that form half of China’s Four Classic Novels - the Romance of the Three Kingdoms and the Water Margin.
The coincidence of major crises leading to the literal extermination of ruling clans is a recurrent pattern in Chinese history. While the saying about the Chinese word for crisis being similar to the word for opportunity isn’t actually true, Chinese regime changes have certainly revolved around major crises. For most civilizations, the population’s reaction to Four Horsemen-style calamities is to hunker down and grit their teeth through it, pretty much like drones on an ant hill. In China’s case, the internal reaction can be and has periodically been extremely violent. As I’ve noted elsewhere, for 800 out of the last 2200 years, China has been ruled by regimes established by peasant rebels* who went for broke and struck at the throne, while muttering the usual pieties about looking to replace the corrupt courtiers giving the emperor bad advice.
Once they lay their hands on the emperor (or his designated heir), the narrative would evolve. After a suitable interlude during which they held the emperor hostage in all but name, the emperor would abdicate (or disappear), handing over the reins of power to the new regime. The emperor’s and principal courtiers’ kin and acquaintances would be erased from the gene pool, with a body count rising to the tens or hundreds of thousands. That is the worst-case scenario, but a specter that faces Communist Party bigwigs if a latter day rebel strikes at the throne again, and prevails.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fang_Xiaoru
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nine_familial_exterminations
Individual revolts generally don’t have a huge chance of success. But China’s history isn’t of individual revolts. It’s of one large-scale failed revolt after another, each hammering away at the resources and loyalties of the regime’s supporters, while offering opportunities for advancement at the expense of the regime. Until the regime runs out of resources and loyal supporters, at which point it is toppled and its adherents and their kin are wiped out in a bloodbath.
The potential for a new cycle of revolts followed by regime collapse is why Xi Jinping worries about this disease, the way he worries about every aspect of Chinese society that might threaten his rule. Whether the rest of the world should be as worried is an open question. At the moment, though, the cure for the disease - drastic quarantines and mass hysteria dwarfing the actual mortality numbers vis-a-vis something like the flu - almost seems worse than the disease itself.
* Prior to the last 2 or 3 centuries, it’s hard to think of any regime outside of China where peasants upended existing regimes. In China, it occurred 2200 years ago, with the establishment of Liu Bang as emperor and the founder of the Han dynasty. Spartacus’s revolt, over a century later, consisted of little more than rabble fighting the organized formations of the Roman army. Liu’s involved hundreds of thousands of trained men in armor going up against the ancien regime’s front line troops. He wasn’t only a charismatic leader - he co-opted large numbers of regime stalwarts to his side during the ebbs and flows of his campaigns throughout the empire. And then made them hand over their personal armies or crushed their revolts once he won power.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emperor_Gaozu_of_Han#Birth_and_early_life
we’ll never know, our intelligence agencies are too busy investigating Trump.
Call me naïve but my impression was that outbreaks was one area the China has been very forthcoming in the past, as they NEED to cooperation of the WHO.
Hoax.
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