Posted on 06/27/2021 4:07:32 PM PDT by TealsGuy17
What is likely to happen with the "Still Standing"half of the condo building is probably a no win situation for the owners. The first option is a worst case scenario. The second option is after all the debris is cleared, engineers and inspectors can look for the inevitable wear and tear in the concrete supports. But does this mean they will have to dig out the entire base of the condo, maybe even close to the bedrock? Do you think anyone would want to take part of digging that hole if it comes to that? Maybe some of you out there can contemplate what will happen with the remaining units in the months to come.
I noticed in the Engineers Report, he described the flat pool deck (no slopes to drains) as a “major flaw” in the design. I’m not so sure the code required it. The major flaw was the fact that the leaking went significantly unchecked for years. Very expensive to pull up all of that pool deck to re apply water proofing.
The HOA knew it needed to be done, and they put it off. That doesn’t mean it was the cause of the collapse though. My guess is that a drunk someone came driving into the garage at 1:30 am and found the weakest column to slam into. Unfortunately, the next column over wasn’t much better off.
If you look at the video, the one section collapsed, and there was a time gap before the second section came down-pretty obvious that the first collapse weakened it to the point that it collapsed. Since the connected, still standing portion suffered the same forces from the second collapse, common sense would indicate that it has to be considered to be in a weakened state.
i wonder if Fred Flintstone will be one of the volunteers to help dig out that 60 foot hole
It was a lot more water than what came from the pool.
https://miami.cbslocal.com/2021/06/27/condo-collapse-former-maintenance-manager-william-espinosa-was-concerned-about-saltwater-intrusion/
i wonder if the divide wiped out half of those condos, whereas the tenants on the surviving side lost half of their 1000-1500 sq units.
Except that the pool area appears to be intact. While the pool deck may be the proximate cause, it's premature to focus on that to the exclusion of a real investigation.
This was very informative - Thank you
“The remaining condos and probably similar structures will be condemned and demolished out of obvious safety concerns.”
OOF!!! Those are mega buck prime realty ocean front condos. The owners are probably looking at losses of $500K and above.
Here is another interesting article:
https://nypost.com/2021/06/26/florida-survivor-recalls-escape-from-collapsing-condo/
I take the pool deck as being the whole area up to the doors, since there were patio tables and lounge chairs almost all the way to the entrance. Also, some planters.
But reading Petitfore’s link certainly has me thinking the building was undermined. The leaking from above the garage didn’t help. but a frequent foot or more of seawater in the garage definitely sound like a big deal.
“so are all the owners gonna get a 700,000 check from State Farm and Geico?”
No, the current regime will insist that the rest of us will have to cough up because of climate racism or whatever.
I suspect a combination of subtle faults. Rebar that may have just barely met code in concrete that was more porous that expected (but still met code). Insufficient accounting for salt spray resulting in accelerated corrosion of rebar leading to spalling of concrete, slightly but significantly greater on the windward side. Combine those two issues with deferred and improper maintenance and you have a building that may only barely last it's entire design life.
I thought it was turtles.
True about the losses.
But the developers of the replacement buildings will make millions.
Here is an apartment building that was built in 1952. I think that it still looks pretty good. I lived there in about 1953, as an 8 or 9 year old. I just happened to remember the address. It will turn 70 years old next year. https://www.apartments.com/22-atlantic-st-se-washington-dc/eg649xm/
Lots of rain, salt air, concrete, steel rebar.
40 years exposure.
I think you’re correct.
This one will be in the civil engineering textbooks as a case study in the coming years.
Agreed.
Sounds Geological to me.
Wow. Incredible.
Doubtful. This is a MLA event that might not be insurable
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